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alienatedflea wrote...

synthesis just grants organics the fountain of youth...immortality sounds nice but to some its very disgusting...


Where in the synthesis ending did it say that? Cells no longer die? Did I miss the part where no one ages? Did all the old people become young? Or can we just not be killed? Will real guns take the place of paintball?

And if your scenario is somehow correct, without death that means population growth will become exponential and all life runs out of space in relatively short time scale. That sounds pretty bad. Or did it make everyone less fertile too?

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ArchDuck wrote...

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Pick green if you don't care about the natural evolutionary process. Some however do and don’t touch it. Technically it does interfere with natural evolution. It is because the kid said a new DNA framework. We don’t know what that really is internally. All we see is green eye.


Thats a big load of horse s**t if I ever smelled some.  If you "care" about evolution then dont take any medical procedures....do not use any technology because even then, you are defying nature.  The human body is only suppose to live until the age of 30 tops...yet we live on average of 75 yrs plus.  WHY? Technology! when you can emerge the two then you get perfection...there is no shelf life of a synthetic while there is for an organic life...yet you claim the green ending is immoral and disgusting then you use technology everyday...I bet you wouldn't know what to do with yourself if you had no technology...


You are mistaken. The Green ending most definitly voids the natural evolution process.

No one said anything about defying nature. Nature does not have a will to defy (unless you believe in Giai). Evolution and tachnology use can go hand in hand. But if you could somehow pull off what is in the Synthesis ending then you would be stopping the natural evolution process.

Individuals using technology (chemotherapy, boiling water, nanotech, iodine, stiches, etc.) isn't about defying evolution. If you can't see the difference between a species using its brains (a product of evolution) to solve problems and an outside entity utterly rewriing every creature in existence (galactic scale) then you need to do some thinking.


Plus our immune systems will protect us from a great number of things. No tools are nescessary. We survive because evolution makes us better naturally.

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alienatedflea wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Pick green if you don't care about the natural evolutionary process. Some however do and don’t touch it. Technically it does interfere with natural evolution. It is because the kid said a new DNA framework. We don’t know what that really is internally. All we see is green eye.


Thats a big load of horse s**t if I ever smelled some.  If you "care" about evolution then dont take any medical procedures....do not use any technology because even then, you are defying nature.  The human body is only suppose to live until the age of 30 tops...yet we live on average of 75 yrs plus.  WHY? Technology! when you can emerge the two then you get perfection...there is no shelf life of a synthetic while there is for an organic life...yet you claim the green ending is immoral and disgusting then you use technology everyday...I bet you wouldn't know what to do with yourself if you had no technology...



Nice try. Have you actually studied biology? Medical procedures do not include changing a person's DNA. Name a procedure that actually changed someone's DNA???
 
An example of changing DNA is the Africanize Honey Bee. We all know that didn't work out. We live longer because of better nutrition, preventive medicine and procedures that fix a problem. Currently, Medical Science has just started trying to decode DNA.

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did this thread really need to be made again? its a video game. thats it. please drop the whole moral dilemma thing.

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Evolution is adaption in the long run...yes? What does technology do everyday? ADAPT to new things! You can see this with EDI.  Evolution would not exist in the long run if you are constantly adapting...right? Or it would exist but no one would care since we are changing constantly anyways?


You're avoiding the point. Can the reapers/catalyst know the future with 100% certainty?
If the answer is "no" then they have no clue what the pinnacle of evolution is.
If the answer is "yes" then there is nothing to discuss because they can do and know the impossible so reapers win, the end.

Also technology on its own doesn't adapt.
It requires an intelligence (synthetic or organic) to make adaptations to it. So some synthetic creatures could still adapt (the intelligent ones that understand or have the potential to understand the tech forcibly placed within them) but the rest are now screwed. That is unless frogs, grasses, bacteria, viruses, sardines and all other sorts of creatures have also been given advanced degrees in biology, engineering, computer sciences and other related fields allowing them to reprogram/rebuild their synthetic parts when need be. Or does the theoretical synthetic technology forced upon them mutate randomly?

But no matter if you can apologize away all the necessary things required to allow evolution to still function you can't deny that the current course of those creatures' evolutions will have been altered (without being delusional).

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did this thread really need to be made again? its a video game. thats it. please drop the whole moral dilemma thing.


That quote..............is not good.

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I think the unethical part about it is that it is involuntary. Even medical treatment isn't allowed against a patients will, at least where I'm from.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

did this thread really need to be made again? its a video game. thats it. please drop the whole moral dilemma thing.


That quote..............is not good.

The first part is understandable; the second part is a bit disturbing.

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ghostbusters101 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

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Pick green if you don't care about the natural evolutionary process. Some however do and don’t touch it. Technically it does interfere with natural evolution. It is because the kid said a new DNA framework. We don’t know what that really is internally. All we see is green eye.


Thats a big load of horse s**t if I ever smelled some.  If you "care" about evolution then dont take any medical procedures....do not use any technology because even then, you are defying nature.  The human body is only suppose to live until the age of 30 tops...yet we live on average of 75 yrs plus.  WHY? Technology! when you can emerge the two then you get perfection...there is no shelf life of a synthetic while there is for an organic life...yet you claim the green ending is immoral and disgusting then you use technology everyday...I bet you wouldn't know what to do with yourself if you had no technology...



Nice try. Have you actually studied biology? Medical procedures do not include changing a person's DNA. Name a procedure that actually changed someone's DNA???
 
An example of changing DNA is the Africanize Honey Bee. We all know that didn't work out. We live longer because of better nutrition, preventive medicine and procedures that fix a problem. Currently, Medical Science has just started trying to decode DNA.


Is changing someone's DNA the same as changing what DNA actually is? Yes its impossible to change what DNA is, yes it requires further explanation, yes it's practically magic, but: from an ethical perspective, is changing someone's DNA the same as replacing what serves as the building blocks of life all together? Changing someone's DNA implies adding or removing protein chains. It's not the same as creating a new set of building blocks that function similarly to DNA, but are made of different "stuff."

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My biggest problem with the synthesis ending is when the starchild calls it the apex of evolution.

Anyone with a basic understanding of biology and evolution know that there is no such thing as the apex of evolution. Evolution is a continuous process where organisms (both biological and non-biological) continue to adapt to their environments. Organisms have to adapt or face extinction. If we take the starchild at its word, then we just stagnated evolution in all life in the galaxy. This means we just doomed all life in the galaxy because it can no longer adapt. Diseases and the environment can wipe out everything.


I hear you. The writer doesn't understand evolution.


I can't believe i am really defending them, but your base assumption is wrong. Diseases and enviroment would also be half synthetic, which means they will not change as well. Plus being half synthetic would allow a much easier interface process between fully anorganic options, thus allowing people to evolve on their own. Designing better bodies, making themselves stronger, faster, smarter.

Diseases caused by virus and bakteria would still apply, because they too would be half synthetic. Though i admit i am not sure how far that applies to a virus, considering its no real living thing but basically just a few strands DNA. A Virus thats half synthetic would probably be less dangerous as it would loose a lot of its adaptbility itself and at the same time make it easier to fight. It would be as easy as upgrading your system with a stronger firewall.

Evolution wouldn't happen in the same way it used to be, but it wouldn't stop and live wouldn't stagnate. The catalyst is wrong, tho... because if everything is half synthetic you can expect Human and other Races like the Salarians to succumb to Strife. They probably would try to enhance themselves until they are barely recognicable anymore. Being half synthetic means there are less boundaries.

As humans we are bond to our flawed bodies. We still trying to find ways to preserve our conciousness, who we are, by synthetic means. We are working at ways to interface things with our minds. Thinking about that one mouse for example. We are working at prothetics which are actually controlled by our thoughts. Humans research how to bond neural pathways with electronic chips already. They even archived a measure of success so far.

In Synthesis is actually what humanity in Reallife is strifing for at this very moment, because it can and will cure a lot of the failings of our bodies. But it won't stop evolution. It will just change the source of evolution. From external influance to strife. Trying to be better, and breaching the boundaries set before us. Its a human trait and salarians doesn't seem to be so much different (okay, we could say here that on a philosophical level humans are incapable to imagine truely alien species), so there will always be strife and the demands of time.


100 years ago, people thought capitalisem is all the rage. 1000 years before that it was feudalisem. Society structures are something artificial, thats why i name them right now, they do only evolve because the demand of society changes. Today we have reached a point with growing automatism, robot workers and decreasing demand of a workforce, where capitalisem as concept starts to fail, because it never was designed in a situation where you can't supply a job for everyone anymore. Yet, it will evolve. Eventually society will pick a new concept to direct their society towards. Its because technology advanced, knowledge advanced and the understanding of our surrounding changed. Its something completely artificial and yet it evolves. You don't need organic components to something to have it evolve. Enviroment and diseases isn't the only thing that evolves stuff. Strife and the desire to change can do the same.

Of course, i admit, people wouldn't like it to much. Especially those who like to work with concepts that do not like to change. Like Religion. Its rather difficult to make some of the hardliners understand that something is their dieties will, because it wasn't written down 2000 years ago in some book. Especially the fanatics wouldn't really like the idea of synthesis pushed onto them. After all their deity didn't create them part synthetic. Of course, at this point there would be the valid question: "Wouldn't it be their deities will if it happened?"

But lets face it... the whole topic is rather difficult to untangle. I think ultimately its something everyone has to come to terms with on their own.

As far as i am concerned, i don't think its disgusting. Its something we evolve towards anyway. And i think it would help many, many people. Making the blind see, because its easier to interface the brain with artificial components, the lame walk, because you can create real cybernetic limbs. Offering organ replacements because rejection is less likely to occure, simply because synthetic elements ain't as picky as organic. Bone Marrow Transplants for everyone or at least a much wider group of people because the synthetic elements provide a much better acceptance between donor and patient.

And seriously, just because we have to worry about a few less Diseases doesn't mean we don't have to face selfmade disasters anymore. Like Clima change and war. Evolution happens anyway, in all things and it never ceases to exist. Even in Artificial things. Take cars as another example. Climate Change and ressources growing scarce, along with a desire to see new designs have evolved cars over the past 100 years. And in 100 years from now... who knows, they might fly with an oxgen or sand engine. Humanity has surpassed natural evolution at this point, yet we don't stop to evolve. Or at least i'd like to think we don't.

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ArchDuck wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

synthesis just grants organics the fountain of youth...immortality sounds nice but to some its very disgusting...


Where in the synthesis ending did it say that? Cells no longer die? Did I miss the part where no one ages? Did all the old people become young? Or can we just not be killed? Will real guns take the place of paintball?

And if your scenario is somehow correct, without death that means population growth will become exponential and all life runs out of space in relatively short time scale. That sounds pretty bad. Or did it make everyone less fertile too?


still it doesnt fix bone diseases. Oh wait, that is due to lack of resources, right? just slap come green circuits on the very same video, showieng just how stupid AND lazy it is.

THere's literally nothing I hate more than synthesis. Freaking galactic robo-rape. With Geth growing balls, or fur, or anything. Or just slapping green circuits on them, yes, that seems appropriate.

I like the Saren/Tim/Anderson/Shepard image, but I doubt Saren would be satisfied with synthesis. Saren was smart, synthesis is DUMB.

Probably the dumbest choice in all video games I played yet is the 'hardest' to unlock, because it, unlike Blue dumb choice, promises, that Reapers will not return. Sure, I just read they 'processed' 1.86 million lives a day, turning them to Reaper goo, luring thousands to believe they will be spared. So, the best you can do is a robo-rape AND letting them to go back beyond the galaxy, where you'll never catch them.

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still it doesnt fix bone diseases. Oh wait, that is due to lack of resources, right? just slap come green circuits on the very same video, showieng just how stupid AND lazy it is.

THere's literally nothing I hate more than synthesis. Freaking galactic robo-rape. With Geth growing balls, or fur, or anything. Or just slapping green circuits on them, yes, that seems appropriate.

I like the Saren/Tim/Anderson/Shepard image, but I doubt Saren would be satisfied with synthesis. Saren was smart, synthesis is DUMB.

Probably the dumbest choice in all video games I played yet is the 'hardest' to unlock, because it, unlike Blue dumb choice, promises, that Reapers will not return. Sure, I just read they 'processed' 1.86 million lives a day, turning them to Reaper goo, luring thousands to believe they will be spared. So, the best you can do is a robo-rape AND letting them to go back beyond the galaxy, where you'll never catch them.



You just didn't realize that having a bone disease is the pinnacle of evolution. :P

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To be honest, I really believe that no matter ending you pick, Shepard will come back for ME4. If the indoctrination theory is wrong, and these three are the real endings. I have three simple explinations 1) Control - Shepard scarifies himself to "control the reapers and be one with them" there has to be a way to take his essence and rebuilt him 2) Synthesis - Shepard scarifies himself and combines/creates a new Hybrid DNA of Organic and Synthetics, hell Ellen Ripley came back in Alien Resurrection after she was melted. 3) Destory - Shepard lives in the end

Hence it is quite possible that Mass Effect 4 or another sequel is possible. Maybe, its further in the future, when the relays are rebuilt and the universe faces a threat that is bigger then the reapers. Its science fiction folks, anything is possible.

But to answer the question, if this path is disgusting, hell no. Since the God Child states how its the next evolution of life and will bring peace to the universe It depends on you the player, if you think its unethical don't pick it.

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Evolution wouldn't happen in the same way it used to be, but it wouldn't stop and live wouldn't stagnate...

Especially those who like to work with concepts that do not like to change. Like Religion. Its rather difficult to make some of the hardliners understand that something is their dieties will, because it wasn't written down 2000 years ago in some book. Especially the fanatics wouldn't really like the idea of synthesis pushed onto them...

But lets face it... the whole topic is rather difficult to untangle. I think ultimately its something everyone has to come to terms with on their own.

As far as i am concerned, i don't think its disgusting. Its something we evolve towards anyway. And i think it would help many, many people...


Sorry to just pull out certain points (nice arguement by the way) but your post is long and I didn't want to clutter the page by repeating long posts.

So for starters here is where the writers (and thus the catalyst) fail at biology:

Archduke wrote...
The catalyst logic is wrong. Evolution by definition has no pinnacle. Also if it did, you could not know what form that would be unless you also knew, with 100% certainty, the exact course of the future.


I do believe you are right, I think something like this is probably in the future of the human race as well but there is a big difference between an individual (or a species as a whole) choosing to go this route and forcing it on someone or an entire species. Let alone on all species.

It felt odd to quote myself but I had posted it a bit earlier so...

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YNation913 wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Pick green if you don't care about the natural evolutionary process. Some however do and don’t touch it. Technically it does interfere with natural evolution. It is because the kid said a new DNA framework. We don’t know what that really is internally. All we see is green eye.


Thats a big load of horse s**t if I ever smelled some.  If you "care" about evolution then dont take any medical procedures....do not use any technology because even then, you are defying nature.  The human body is only suppose to live until the age of 30 tops...yet we live on average of 75 yrs plus.  WHY? Technology! when you can emerge the two then you get perfection...there is no shelf life of a synthetic while there is for an organic life...yet you claim the green ending is immoral and disgusting then you use technology everyday...I bet you wouldn't know what to do with yourself if you had no technology...



Nice try. Have you actually studied biology? Medical procedures do not include changing a person's DNA. Name a procedure that actually changed someone's DNA???
 
An example of changing DNA is the Africanize Honey Bee. We all know that didn't work out. We live longer because of better nutrition, preventive medicine and procedures that fix a problem. Currently, Medical Science has just started trying to decode DNA.


Is changing someone's DNA the same as changing what DNA actually is? Yes its impossible to change what DNA is, yes it requires further explanation, yes it's practically magic, but: from an ethical perspective, is changing someone's DNA the same as replacing what serves as the building blocks of life all together? Changing someone's DNA implies adding or removing protein chains. It's not the same as creating a new set of building blocks that function similarly to DNA, but are made of different "stuff."




Don't get me wrong. I would like a player to pick whatever they want. I'm trying to show that this option is painful for some gamers with certain backgrounds. If a gamer is big on the “Bill of Rights”, then this is a no-no. If a gamer studied Biology, Zoology or even have a strong interest in natural selection of evolution, then this option may be undesirable. It may explain why so many gamers hate it.

Now having said that, a Law student or Biology student may pick green and say “it’s just a game”. I relly don't want to rain on someone's entertainment.Image IPB

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Synthesis= reapers get off free. They won't change because their already half synthetic half organic

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ghostbusters101 wrote...

Don't get me wrong. I would like a player to pick whatever they want. I'm trying to show that this option is painful for some gamers with certain backgrounds. If a gamer is big on the “Bill of Rights”, then this is a no-no. If a gamer studied Biology, Zoology or even have a strong interest in natural selection of evolution, then this option may be undesirable. It may explain why so many gamers hate it.

Now having said that, a Law student or Biology student may pick green and say “it’s just a game”. I really don't want to rain on someone's entertainment.Image IPB


If that is their arguement as to why they picked that ending then really I don't have a problem with it. :happy:

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ArchDuck wrote...

nice arguement by the way) but your post is long


Thanks, and yeah i kinda have a habit of doing that. Comes with the trade i guess.


ArchDuck wrote...

I do believe you are right, I think something like this is probably in the future of the human race as well but there is a big difference between an individual (or a species as a whole) choosing to go this route and forcing it on someone or an entire species. Let alone on all species.


Oh i am not arguing the fact that forcing it on people is wrong. In my opinon less wrong than comitting genocide (destroy) or basically becoming the new catalyst by merging with them (control), but i didn't argue that. I did argue that synthesis means there is no more evolution. Evolution happens to artificial things as well. Even to immaterial things (ideologies like capitalisem or feudalisem) evolve evetually and get replaced by something deemed superior.

I think the catalyst is wrong on many accounts, but i simply meant to argue that synthetis doesn't mean there won't be any evolution anymore. It will just take a different shape and be caused for different reasons.

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Kajan451 wrote...

*snip*


Except that the Catalyst specifically said that synthesis would turn everything into the apex of evolution. Which if you look into the dictionary means peak. That means no more evolution. We can no longer adapt to new changes in our galaxy. Disease that could kill us before will still kill us, but our successive generations' immune systems can no longer adapt to be stronger agaisnt it.

Life in the galaxy is doomed.

Have you ever taken a biology class?

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InHarmsWay wrote...

Except that the Catalyst specifically said that synthesis would turn everything into the apex of evolution. Which if you look into the dictionary means peak. That means no more evolution. We can no longer adapt to new changes in our galaxy. Disease that could kill us before will still kill us, but our successive generations' immune systems can no longer adapt to be stronger agaisnt it.


He snuck this in ahead of your post so I'll just bring it to your attention.

Kajan451 wrote...
I think the catalyst is wrong on many accounts, but i simply meant to argue that synthetis doesn't mean there won't be any evolution anymore. It will just take a different shape and be caused for different reasons.


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Kajan451 wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

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My biggest problem with the synthesis ending is when the starchild calls it the apex of evolution.

Anyone with a basic understanding of biology and evolution know that there is no such thing as the apex of evolution. Evolution is a continuous process where organisms (both biological and non-biological) continue to adapt to their environments. Organisms have to adapt or face extinction. If we take the starchild at its word, then we just stagnated evolution in all life in the galaxy. This means we just doomed all life in the galaxy because it can no longer adapt. Diseases and the environment can wipe out everything.


I hear you. The writer doesn't understand evolution.


I can't believe i am really defending them, but your base assumption is wrong. Diseases and enviroment would also be half synthetic, which means they will not change as well. Plus being half synthetic would allow a much easier interface process between fully anorganic options, thus allowing people to evolve on their own. Designing better bodies, making themselves stronger, faster, smarter.

Diseases caused by virus and bakteria would still apply, because they too would be half synthetic. Though i admit i am not sure how far that applies to a virus, considering its no real living thing but basically just a few strands DNA. A Virus thats half synthetic would probably be less dangerous as it would loose a lot of its adaptbility itself and at the same time make it easier to fight. It would be as easy as upgrading your system with a stronger firewall.

Evolution wouldn't happen in the same way it used to be, but it wouldn't stop and live wouldn't stagnate. The catalyst is wrong, tho... because if everything is half synthetic you can expect Human and other Races like the Salarians to succumb to Strife. They probably would try to enhance themselves until they are barely recognicable anymore. Being half synthetic means there are less boundaries.

As humans we are bond to our flawed bodies. We still trying to find ways to preserve our conciousness, who we are, by synthetic means. We are working at ways to interface things with our minds. Thinking about that one mouse for example. We are working at prothetics which are actually controlled by our thoughts. Humans research how to bond neural pathways with electronic chips already. They even archived a measure of success so far.

In Synthesis is actually what humanity in Reallife is strifing for at this very moment, because it can and will cure a lot of the failings of our bodies. But it won't stop evolution. It will just change the source of evolution. From external influance to strife. Trying to be better, and breaching the boundaries set before us. Its a human trait and salarians doesn't seem to be so much different (okay, we could say here that on a philosophical level humans are incapable to imagine truely alien species), so there will always be strife and the demands of time.


100 years ago, people thought capitalisem is all the rage. 1000 years before that it was feudalisem. Society structures are something artificial, thats why i name them right now, they do only evolve because the demand of society changes. Today we have reached a point with growing automatism, robot workers and decreasing demand of a workforce, where capitalisem as concept starts to fail, because it never was designed in a situation where you can't supply a job for everyone anymore. Yet, it will evolve. Eventually society will pick a new concept to direct their society towards. Its because technology advanced, knowledge advanced and the understanding of our surrounding changed. Its something completely artificial and yet it evolves. You don't need organic components to something to have it evolve. Enviroment and diseases isn't the only thing that evolves stuff. Strife and the desire to change can do the same.

Of course, i admit, people wouldn't like it to much. Especially those who like to work with concepts that do not like to change. Like Religion. Its rather difficult to make some of the hardliners understand that something is their dieties will, because it wasn't written down 2000 years ago in some book. Especially the fanatics wouldn't really like the idea of synthesis pushed onto them. After all their deity didn't create them part synthetic. Of course, at this point there would be the valid question: "Wouldn't it be their deities will if it happened?"

But lets face it... the whole topic is rather difficult to untangle. I think ultimately its something everyone has to come to terms with on their own.

As far as i am concerned, i don't think its disgusting. Its something we evolve towards anyway. And i think it would help many, many people. Making the blind see, because its easier to interface the brain with artificial components, the lame walk, because you can create real cybernetic limbs. Offering organ replacements because rejection is less likely to occure, simply because synthetic elements ain't as picky as organic. Bone Marrow Transplants for everyone or at least a much wider group of people because the synthetic elements provide a much better acceptance between donor and patient.

And seriously, just because we have to worry about a few less Diseases doesn't mean we don't have to face selfmade disasters anymore. Like Clima change and war. Evolution happens anyway, in all things and it never ceases to exist. Even in Artificial things. Take cars as another example. Climate Change and ressources growing scarce, along with a desire to see new designs have evolved cars over the past 100 years. And in 100 years from now... who knows, they might fly with an oxgen or sand engine. Humanity has surpassed natural evolution at this point, yet we don't stop to evolve. Or at least i'd like to think we don't.




 
If you changed the DNA framework, I would not call it natural evolution. This may have been my mistake. Did I forget to say natural evolution??



Man-kind has genetically changes over time to adapt to its environment. Successful dominate genes take center stage because they fit the environment. Your immunity to viruses is big. Do we really think we would be immune to virus on other planets??? Why is that???
 
 
This option said a new DNA framework. It doesn’t sound natural. It changes the present configuration.

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ArchDuck wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

Except that the Catalyst specifically said that synthesis would turn everything into the apex of evolution. Which if you look into the dictionary means peak. That means no more evolution. We can no longer adapt to new changes in our galaxy. Disease that could kill us before will still kill us, but our successive generations' immune systems can no longer adapt to be stronger agaisnt it.


He snuck this in ahead of your post so I'll just bring it to your attention.

Kajan451 wrote...
I think the catalyst is wrong on many accounts, but i simply meant to argue that synthetis doesn't mean there won't be any evolution anymore. It will just take a different shape and be caused for different reasons.



Thing is the Catalyst specifically called synthesis the apex of evolution. By using the word apex, that means the peak of evolution. Meaning that there's no where to go from there. No more evolution.

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InHarmsWay wrote...

Thing is the Catalyst specifically called synthesis is the apex of evolution. By using the word apex, that means the peak of evolution. Meaning that there's no where to go from there. No more evolution.

I know it, you know it and he knows it. He just thinks the catalyst is a liar or delusional.

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InHarmsWay wrote...

Except that the Catalyst specifically said that synthesis would turn everything into the apex of evolution. Which if you look into the dictionary means peak.


And as i wrote.. he is wrong, because evolution happens either way. Of course if he used the word natural, he might have been right, but i actually think that it would have been over peoples heads. Then again.. i think the ending as it is... is quite horrible and even the stuff they try to allude to require advanced education.

Which is, without explaining it in layman terms, always a bad idea.


InHarmsWay wrote...

Have you ever taken a biology class?


Advanced Biology, in what equals Highschool in my country. Though, i don't really see where that is necessary for this very discussion as your whole point seems to be riding on the "apex" thing, which i already said the Catalyst is wrong about, because there is always evolution.

Synthesis can't reach an apex except when it would destroy all life, at this point it had reached its apex. Otherwise even if natural evolution has reached its apex it would still keep evolving. Demands change and humans desire to be different... or rather better than the person next to them, will always make them wish to stand out. So there will always be someone searching for the next possible step.
 Even if that next step is turning your hair green and your skin golden.


ghostbusters101 wrote...

If you changed the DNA framework, I would not call it natural evolution. This may have been my mistake. Did I forget to say natural evolution??


I could be mistaken, but you probably didn't. But i am to lazy to go through the whole thread again :)

 

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Do we really think we would be immune to virus on other planets??? Why is that???


Considering even today a virus from the other side of our own planet can kill you because we have no immunity to it, i think it would be rather foolish to believe so. But most science fiction, although admittedly there is less science in science fiction these days, doesn't really care about these little problems. And those stories that really pick up on it are usually called "cheesy". Or at least i heard a lot of people calling the ending to War of the Worlds "boring" because of that.

But anyway... the Native Americans paid dearly for diseases europeans brought to them and even today your supposed to get a lot of vaccine shots if you fly into another country simply because our immune systems ain't that good. I mean they are amazing considering what they do day in and day out, but they ain't strong enough for everything on our planet. They certainly ain't prepared for extraterrestial viruses.

I personally don't even want to imagine what a sneezing Krogan could do to a human without even being in the same room at the same time.

But to get back to the topic at hand... being part synthetic probably would make fighting these diseases much easier.

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Kajan451 wrote...



ghostbusters101 wrote...

If you changed the DNA framework, I would not call it natural evolution. This may have been my mistake. Did I forget to say natural evolution??


I could be mistaken, but you probably didn't. But i am to lazy to go through the whole thread again :)

 

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Do we really think we would be immune to virus on other planets??? Why is that???


Considering even today a virus from the other side of our own planet can kill you because we have no immunity to it, i think it would be rather foolish to believe so. But most science fiction, although admittedly there is less science in science fiction these days, doesn't really care about these little problems. And those stories that really pick up on it are usually called "cheesy". Or at least i heard a lot of people calling the ending to War of the Worlds "boring" because of that.

But anyway... the Native Americans paid dearly for diseases europeans brought to them and even today your supposed to get a lot of vaccine shots if you fly into another country simply because our immune systems ain't that good. I mean they are amazing considering what they do day in and day out, but they ain't strong enough for everything on our planet. They certainly ain't prepared for extraterrestial viruses.

I personally don't even want to imagine what a sneezing Krogan could do to a human without even being in the same room at the same time.

But to get back to the topic at hand... being part synthetic probably would make fighting these diseases much easier.




I hope you know I don't mine Bone marrow transplants if needed. The wording the game used a new DNA framework. It was the Apex evolution.
 
First I don't see the real need for green.
 
Two changing someone's DNA without their consent is illegal.
 
Three it does interfere with natural evolution.
 
 
If you want green please pick it. Still from the data we have, it interferes with the natural evolution. That will concern some player but not all.