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[Unit-Alpha]

EvilMind wrote...

Synthesis is the best ending, its the next step in evolution which is a good thing. People who whine about it just dont look at the bigger picture, in the long run synthesis is a good thing

Hitler thought that he was evolving the human race as well. Sure, it may be "evolution," but is it the right kind?

[Biotic Flash Kick]

GiarcYekrub wrote...

Biotic Flash Kick wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...

Zolt51 wrote...

It is *very* questionable to say the least.
I personally won't choose it. I just don't feel "entitled" to make the decision on behalf of everyone else. Even though I've just spent the last 5 years saving their collective ass.

BUT I can understand that some people would at least want to try it. It is a fascinating avenue to explore, and it's a chance that simply won't come twice.
If you take the catalyst's logic seriously, then it's practically the only option too. Other endings you just consider that the synthetics problem will just have to take care of itself in the far, far future.

I feel the same with the destroy/control endings, I'm not going to kill the Geth and EDI and I'm not going to rob them of their freewill

But synthesis robs *everyone* of their free will.

No it doesn't, Your DNA has nothing to do with free will, you me both have human DNA doesn't stop us both from being individuals. You could look at it as gifting humanity to the synthetics as Shepard has taught Legion and EDI and it has been shown in the past that memories in the ME universe are stored in DNA promoting understanding and tolerance thoughout the galaxy.(but I guess that depends on the type of shepard you were)

And?
It doesn't complete your mission goal.

Yes it does, the reapers are stopped

How so? The catalyst is intodruced 10 minutes towards the end. How can we take what he says as fact? How can we truly know that synergy will work and that they wont create things liek the geth? How do we know that WE DIDNTJ UST MAKE HARVESTING EVERYTHING EASIER FOR THE REAPERS.

The reapers have much practicing indoctrinating organics and the geth. Now that everyone is both they can be harvested and easier.

Rachni immune? Not anymore they are partially syntheithic
Geth immune? Not anymore they are partially organic

Modifié par Biotic Flash Kick, 23 avril 2012 - 02:33 .

[DJBare]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

Not only is it wrong, we have to assume it effects ALL ORGANICS!

Don't even have to assume that, check the plants in the synthesis ending, those are merged also.

[Gogzilla]

Truth be told i picked synthesis
because
If your going to blow up the relays , why not go one better and change their .. biology/architecture ? ... what ever it is,
Next to that kind of destruction , the morality behind galactic rape seemed moot.

Modifié par Gogzilla, 23 avril 2012 - 02:35 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Gogzilla wrote...

Truth be told i picked synthesis
because
If your going to blow up the relays , why not go one better and change their .. biology/architecture ? ...
Next to that kind of destruction , the morality behind galactic rape seemed moot.

Except we have statements from Bioware refuting the idea that destroying the relays kills everyone.

[GiarcYekrub]

Well that is why the player gets to choose, Genocide is not an option to me and I believe in freewill. Synthsis allows life to continue and break the cycle of extinction while making the universe more genetically diverse than its ever been before

[Anduin The Grey]

The Angry One wrote...

Anduin The Grey wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Synthesis is not only incredibly stupid and anti-scientific, it's also racist, disgusting and despicable.

I'd be interested to know what in sci-fi you didn't find disgusting and despicable? Trekkie fan maybe, how's that heisenberg compensator thingy work anyway? Very well thankyou apparently

What are you going on about?
Synthetic augmentation perhaps?
There's nothing wrong with synthetic augmentation. The problem with synthesis (aside from the failures in science, biology and evolution)  is the philosphy behind it and the method.

Philosophy - Organics and synthetics can never get along because they are different, therefore the solution is to make them the same. If they are the same there will be no conflict. This is not only laughable, it's also racist.

Method - Impose this change on every being in the galaxy whether they like it or not.

It's also moot on several points, story wise, in the ME universe synthetics have always been an issue, will they be an issue in our universe, nobody knows, if we even get to that bridge. Films like Blade Runner like to blur the lines and ask us to question ourselves on the nature our humanity and films such as The Matrix and Terminator have pretty simple stories to tell.

I like one of the quotes a mod used a good while ago, tho I can't recall it very well, given an eternity a zero point event will always happen. All that we need to know is that millions of years ago an ancient race had a war with something either it or some other race created and decided that it was a lot easier to remove the problem than clean the mess left by what the problem made.

I love the fact that the Geth and EDI have such a level compassion, especially the Geth as they really affected by those Quarians that chose to sacrifice themselves for the Geth during and leading up to the Morning War. If the story makers were saying it would always lead to war why not have the Geth chase the Quarians as they fled and wipe them out.

I took it as given that those that created the Reapers saw it as a given that all synthetic life would be evil but it took millions of years for them to be proven wrong and even faced with the realisation that they were wrong they refused to change their tactics, forcing Shepard to make whatever choice he made.

I have no idea how a 4 chromasonal DNA woould work in Protheans let alone what the implications would be, same goes for a melding of synthetic and organic DNA.

Biology has changed not the wills behind it and the will of millions of years of reaping has been broken, which you've no doubt seen in ME2 how actually disgusting that truly was.

[Anduin The Grey]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Gogzilla wrote...

Truth be told i picked synthesis
because
If your going to blow up the relays , why not go one better and change their .. biology/architecture ? ...
Next to that kind of destruction , the morality behind galactic rape seemed moot.

Except we have statements from Bioware refuting the idea that destroying the relays kills everyone.

Um no, we have canon stating you rrun an asteroid into a relay it destroys a system. Who knows what the power of green/red/blue spam can do

[M Hedonist]

Synthesis is so vague it can mean anything. Maybe it makes everybody fabulous, maybe it takes away your emotions, maybe it makes everybody the same, maybe it does none of these. It's the vague symbolic ending for people who prefer something "deep" and "profound" over actually knowing what happened to the ME universe.
Not to say the other endings are any better in this regard.

[The Edge]

Throughout the game you are trying to unite the galaxy against a common threat. The diversity of the various alien races is the reason that they built the Crucible and got to the Final Battle in the first place. Javik even says that diversity is what the Prothean power lacked, and that the different people and tactics are perhaps the tipping point to victory.

Then Synthesis comes along and says that everyone should be the same. How is that consistant with the rest of the game, where Shepard has proven time and again that diverse people can be brought together and their differences can make a difference?

[matthewmi]

Synthesis is evil. I don't want the whole world to sit around singing and holding hands, conflict and the problems it creates lead to growth and evolution. Survival of the fittest has worked pretty well for billions of years, with synthesis it all grinds to a halt you'd be like the eloi in the time machine. Also it's nonsensical how does it solve any problems? Only way for it to stop conflict etc...would be for it to sap free will, otherwise a group of the new hybrid humans could decide to wipe out the rest of the galaxy or we could decide to create a race that was fully synthetic again and it would all start over...according to the catalyst's logic.

[-Area51-Silent]

DJBare wrote...

-Area51-Silent wrote...

Not only is it wrong, we have to assume it effects ALL ORGANICS!

Don't even have to assume that, check the plants in the synthesis ending, those are merged also.

in that case then the sythesis ending is making decisions for those we know and do not, meaning the rammifications are much larger in scale than we can understand. That said, the sheer destruction of the less evolved races due to this new "power" could be untold. Pushing any undeveloped society faster than it should with tools it should not have is a terrible idea.

(think about if people during the crusades had the knowledge suddenly to build nukes)

[Unit-Alpha]

Anduin The Grey wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Gogzilla wrote...

Truth be told i picked synthesis
because
If your going to blow up the relays , why not go one better and change their .. biology/architecture ? ...
Next to that kind of destruction , the morality behind galactic rape seemed moot.

Except we have statements from Bioware refuting the idea that destroying the relays kills everyone.

Um no, we have canon stating you rrun an asteroid into a relay it destroys a system. Who knows what the power of green/red/blue spam can do

Um no, according to a number of Twitter posts, I'd say we do have evidence. Gonna be interesting to see how they explain the retcon away, though.

[JShepppp]

The idea of forcing your will upon others just as the Reapers have done is unnerving. Destroy's killing of synthetics CAN be put under the "sacrifice" category. Control is the only "everyone lives" ending (including Reapers, but it's different with Shep in command).

But one thing that always got me was that the Catalyst said others would become like shepard. Shepard didn't seem like a husk or anything to me. So I think synthesis is not as bad as husks/indoctrination. How much better it is though, I don't know - it may not be better by much at all.

[DJBare]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

in that case then the sythesis ending is making decisions for those we know and do not, meaning the rammifications are much larger in scale than we can understand. That said, the sheer destruction of the less evolved races due to this new "power" could be untold. Pushing any undeveloped society faster than it should with tools it should not have is a terrible idea.

(think about if people during the crusades had the knowledge suddenly to build nukes)

Yeah, lets "assume" for the moment that individuality is maintained, I hope everyone is ready for the Yahg, highly aggressive, but most importantly HIGHLY intelligent.

[-Skorpious-]

If synthesis was the "best ending" Bioware alluded to post-release, I would be terrified to be in a room alone with one of the devs.

[Anduin The Grey]

It makes little to no sense to save the galaxy from the reapers just to wipe out every solar system in the galaxy. Not from a story point of view but from a business point of view, unless of course that business point of view was to give EA a collective bird sign

[The Angry One]

-Skorpious- wrote...

If synthesis was the "best ending" Bioware alluded to post-release, I would be terrified to be in a room alone with one of the devs.

Honestly this alone with the fact that you basically capitulate to Space Hitler makes me not even want to look at any of my Mass Effect games.
To know that the people behind them think the philosophy of synthesis and cooperation with a mass murderer is a "good" ending? It fills me with dread.

Modifié par The Angry One, 23 avril 2012 - 02:43 .

[Cpt. Howdy]

nycmode75 wrote...

I still don't get why Shepard was the one they wanted to make this decision.

They didn't. Shepard was just the first unlucky fool to reach the chamber of madness and thus the only one who could make this decision. Why the catalyst regards this decision as necesarry is still unclear though...

Modifié par Cpt. Howdy, 23 avril 2012 - 02:43 .

[Anduin The Grey]

DJBare wrote...

-Area51-Silent wrote...

in that case then the sythesis ending is making decisions for those we know and do not, meaning the rammifications are much larger in scale than we can understand. That said, the sheer destruction of the less evolved races due to this new "power" could be untold. Pushing any undeveloped society faster than it should with tools it should not have is a terrible idea.

(think about if people during the crusades had the knowledge suddenly to build nukes)

Yeah, lets "assume" for the moment that individuality is maintained, I hope everyone is ready for the Yahg, highly aggressive, but most importantly HIGHLY intelligent.

I thought the yahg were great! They're already dangerous but in the Shadowbroker Dossiers it hints that their IQ drops considerbly once they become enraged. Besides, would make a great new antagonist to threaten the galaxy, who wants a boring safe galaxy to defend?!

[The Angry One]

Cpt. Howdy wrote...

nycmode75 wrote...

I still don't get why Shepard was the one they wanted to make this decision.

They didn't. Shepard was just the first unlucky fool to reach the chamber of madness and thus the only one who could make this decision. Why the catalyst regards this decision as necesarry is still unclear though...

The Catalyst is a psychopath who's set up arbitrary rules for it's "game".
Someone finally came that far, so the next stage of the "game" begins.

Anduin The Grey wrote...

I thought the yahg were great!
They're already dangerous but in the Shadowbroker Dossiers it hints that
their IQ drops considerbly once they become enraged. Besides, would
make a great new antagonist to threaten the galaxy, who wants a boring
safe galaxy to defend?!

What are they going to do? Send probes that reach us in 200 years with a picture of a Yahg giving the middle finger?

Modifié par The Angry One, 23 avril 2012 - 02:46 .

[Taboo]

Tietj wrote...

I'm personally repulsed at the idea of synthesis. I imagine there are quite a few other individuals in the galaxy who are.

My fear for the extended cut (which I'm generally optimistic about, however) is that it will expand on synthesis being the "best" choice, through a lot of narrative contrivance. "And every being in the galaxy was very happy that Shepard chose green..."

Michael Gamble said that they are going to fix the EMS issue because they seem to have realized that people do NOT believe Synthesis is the best ending. People like Destroy and it shows.

[Anduin The Grey]

The Angry One wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

If synthesis was the "best ending" Bioware alluded to post-release, I would be terrified to be in a room alone with one of the devs.

Honestly this alone with the fact that you basically capitulate to Space Hitler makes me not even want to look at any of my Mass Effect games.
To know that the people behind them think the philosophy of synthesis and cooperation with a mass murderer is a "good" ending? It fills me with dread.

You're not capitulating to space hitler, you could just sit there and watch the Reapers burn the universe, you just don't get a cut scene for that because Shepard is going to use what resources he has on hand to stop them. The catalyst makes it very clear that unless you make a choice that's exactly what it plans to do.

[Talogrungi]

The concept is idiotic; galactic peace by unifying organic/synthetic life .. why would it?

Krogans are still gonna hate Salarians, regardless of a shiny green texture on both of their skin.

[M Hedonist]

Cpt. Howdy wrote...

nycmode75 wrote...

I still don't get why Shepard was the one they wanted to make this decision.

They didn't. Shepard was just the first unlucky fool to reach the chamber of madness and thus the only one who could make this decision. Why the catalyst regards this decision as necesarry is still unclear though...

I find the thought that Shepard was the "first" amusing. How much further than Anderson did he actually get? He collapsed on a floor tile which happened to be a magical elevator which lifted him up without Shepard doing anything. Good job, Shepard, the magical elevator deemed you worthy for some reason.