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[chengthao]

stating your opinion as fact doesn't make it fact

the thing is some ppl like Jennifer Hale and some ppl don't . . . . . ppl's opinions are their opinions

you may think she is overrated but i don't

/end thread

[CHALET]

chengthao wrote...

stating your opinion as fact doesn't make it fact

the thing is some ppl like Jennifer Hale and some ppl don't . . . . . ppl's opinions are their opinions

you may think she is overrated but i don't

/end thread

Never claimed it did. Claiming that I am stating fact is just as hypocritical. 

[mauro2222]

CHALET wrote...

chengthao wrote...

stating your opinion as fact doesn't make it fact

the thing is some ppl like Jennifer Hale and some ppl don't . . . . . ppl's opinions are their opinions

you may think she is overrated but i don't

/end thread

Never claimed it did. Claiming that I am stating fact is just as hypocritical. 

And... you win.

[chengthao]

CHALET wrote...

chengthao wrote...

stating your opinion as fact doesn't make it fact

the thing is some ppl like Jennifer Hale and some ppl don't . . . . . ppl's opinions are their opinions

you may think she is overrated but i don't

/end thread

Never claimed it did. Claiming that I am stating fact is just as hypocritical. 

you started a thread saying that she's overrated

if you didn't really believe that then you wouldn't have started this thread

you were claiming your opinion as fact

if not than you would've created a thread called "i don't like Jennifer Hale as much as others" not "Jennifer Hale is Overrated"

[suprhomre]

I like both. The lesbian in I like femshep and the real me love maleshep.

[mauro2222]

chengthao wrote...

CHALET wrote...

chengthao wrote...

stating your opinion as fact doesn't make it fact

the thing is some ppl like Jennifer Hale and some ppl don't . . . . . ppl's opinions are their opinions

you may think she is overrated but i don't

/end thread

Never claimed it did. Claiming that I am stating fact is just as hypocritical. 

you started a thread saying that she's overrated

if you didn't really believe that then you wouldn't have started this thread

you were claiming your opinion as fact

if not than you would've created a thread called "i don't like Jennifer Hale as much as others" not "Jennifer Hale is Overrated"

Read better... don't try to fix it. You're the one using your opinion as fact.

[Il Divo]

I'm not a huge fan of her as femshep. But she was bloody fantastic as Bastila.

[Phategod1]

I'd advise the Op to look at her IMDB and see her body of work. That aside, compared to Mark Meer she's a cross between Katherine Hepburn and Meryl Streep. In ME1 I swear maleshep emoted all the intensity of a plank of wood.

[Habs25]

Is that the Kelly Chambers VA? I keep seeing these fan arts of squadmates and then there is Kelly in N7 armour, but where is Shep, is he lending Kelly his armour or something? I don't get it.

[Little Princess Peach]

Strange thing Is I never herd of Jennifer Hale before I played ME :/

[chengthao]

mauro2222 wrote...

Read better... don't try to fix it. You're the one using your opinion as fact.

title says "Jennifer Hale is Overrated" not "Mark Meer deserves more respect"

[Jangocat]

She's the best voice actress/actor I've ever seen in all my years of gaming bar none. I would buy a game soley because she did the voice acting.

[yummysoap]

chengthao wrote...

stating your opinion as fact doesn't make it fact

the thing is some ppl like Jennifer Hale and some ppl don't . . . . . ppl's opinions are their opinions

you may think she is overrated but i don't

/end thread

Am I the only one who thinks that stating that someone's opinion is their opinion is one of the most redundant points a person can make? He was the one who said it, of course it's his bloody opinion. What, do you expect him to state your opinion? I just... I don't understand why people say that as if it's an argument against anything.

On the topic of Meer and Hale. Yes, I never saw the appeal of Hale, though it all really comes down to the fact that the first Shepard I played was a male and since then I'm just not able to see Shepard as anything other than the often-monotone, occasionally inappropriate dude that he is. It fits perfectly with how I envisage Shepard: a straight-up military man with a dry sense of humour that doesn't feel the need to explode into fits of angst or rage or anything over-the-top unless there's a damn good reason, and when there is a damn good reason, Meer has always done an excellent job. 

I'd probably think the opposite if the first Shepard I played was female, though I do genuinely think that Hale sometimes tries to act a little too hard in her role. It could just be me being too used to maleshep, and I accept that. These sorts of threads only ever serve to rabble ye old Bioware Social Network's rivalry, though. Usually I'd be opposed but it's sure nice to see a temporary reversion back to our old form. You know, before THE INCIDENT.

[Arbalest7]

I agree. For whatever reason she just doesn't work for me in ME the performance seems to go all over the place. It's one of the reasons that I like Meer's more subdued performance you may not always get the quite the emotion you want but you never have to worry about unwanted context (ala Jacob). Her highs are higher but I generally prefer consistency.

[Zombie Chow]

Mark Meer/BroShep was the most improved, but also, I think he had the harder task by far. It seems like he had very specific voice direction to play a stoic badass...while also demonstrating emotion. He absolutely nailed every other voice he did in the series, like the vorcha and volus, so he's definitely got the talent/skill/experience. It's just that BroShep was a really, really demanding role IMHO, tougher than FemShep as he had such narrow constraints, so Mark Meer really does deserve more credit.

That said, I just found Jennifer Hale/FemShep more fun to listen to, every time. Paragon FemShep sounds more emotionally invested, like she actually cares about whomever she's talking to, so that comes off as more convincing. But I found her even more exciting in Renegade mode, especially when she explodes. There's this great Renegade response to Victus Jr. where she just barks, "What's wrong with you?" And then all her little details, like her ki-ai/battlecry/thu'um when meleeing, even her little scream when sliding down the collapsing floor when the Dreadnought explodes, it just sounds so much more interesting. I'm always more invested in my FemShep, because Jennifer Hale definitely seems more invested, and I had no idea who she was before playing ME1.

TL;DR - Mark Meer definitely deserves more praise because I think he had the harder task, but Jennifer Hale definite deserves the praise she gets because she makes every scene more interesting IMHO.

[voteDC]

It's weird for me as I think Mark Meer is a great voice actor but I've never been able to warm to his Shepard as I have Hale's.

Though to be fair, since he is so good in other roles, I would lay that problem at the door of whomever the voice director was on his Shepard scenes.

Modifié par voteDC, 23 avril 2012 - 03:58 .

[MattFini]

Overrated? Meaning what? That a lot of people like her?

All that boils down to is personal preference. And Hale is awesome.

Mark Meer is solid too. Took longer for him to grow on me though.

[DiebytheSword]

I like both. Hale and Meer both shine in their own ways, and its interesting to play as both to see the differences in Femshep and Broshep.

[mauro2222]

chengthao wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Read better... don't try to fix it. You're the one using your opinion as fact.

title says "Jennifer Hale is Overrated" not "Mark Meer deserves more respect"

And...? Is still his opinion.

[chengthao]

mauro2222 wrote...

chengthao wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Read better... don't try to fix it. You're the one using your opinion as fact.

title says "Jennifer Hale is Overrated" not "Mark Meer deserves more respect"

And...? Is still his opinion.

opinion stated as fact

if it was his/her opinion it would've said IMO or "Don't get all the Hale hype"

[CHALET]

chengthao wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

chengthao wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Read better... don't try to fix it. You're the one using your opinion as fact.

title says "Jennifer Hale is Overrated" not "Mark Meer deserves more respect"

And...? Is still his opinion.

opinion stated as fact

if it was his/her opinion it would've said IMO or "Don't get all the Hale hype"

CHALET wrote...
To me Jennifer Hale tried too hard with FemShep. Yes, Meer sounded rather bored and monotone in Mass Effect 1, in the sequel they matched up pretty damn well but in Mass Effect 3 he overtook Hale in my personal opinion. When I hear FemShep I hear somebody desperately trying to look tough, straining their throat as much as possible to look like they're putting emotion into the character.

 

Modifié par CHALET, 23 avril 2012 - 04:11 .

[MiriN7]

stonbw1 wrote...

I've been a Hale supporter since ME1, but even I'll give Mark Meer big kudos for his ME3 VA. He really stepped it up and it showed significant improvement from ME2. I thought Hale did well too, but sometimes the tones were a bit over sold.

This pretty much sums up my feelings. I've always like Hale but I definitely felt like she overdid things in ME3. Meer definitely improved over the course of the trilogy and for me, had the stronger performance in ME3.