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[ShepnTali]

 ... if speculation from everyone was the goal.


That, it has achieved in spades.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 23 avril 2012 - 04:26 .

[Talogrungi]

Condemnation from everyone!

[An English Gamer]

Who cares if the majority of your customers loath and abandon you when you have SPECCCUUUULLLLAAATTTTIIIIIOOOONNNSSSS!

[Navasha]

Never understood this hatred for speculation.

Mordin, one of the better loved characters, in Mass Effect owes everything he is to speculation.

His entire thought process is about speculating until "theory fits evidence".

But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

[Aweus]

[The RPGenius]

Does it still count if a significant part of the speculation is people speculating on whether or not they will ever purchase one of your products again?

[TookYoCookies]

Aweus wrote...

LOL

[Kilshrek]

Speculation?

edit : Tell me there is enough evidence, from the three different flavours of ending, for us to come to any meaningful conclusion, other than Stargazer is kinda creepy with his young ward (possibly grandchild).

Modifié par Kilshrek, 23 avril 2012 - 04:38 .

[zarnk567]

Navasha wrote...

Never understood this hatred for speculation.

Mordin, one of the better loved characters, in Mass Effect owes everything he is to speculation.

His entire thought process is about speculating until "theory fits evidence".

But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

Nope, I just hate the ending cause it broke the narrative cohesion of the entire story and broke people's suspension of dis-belief in the universe. I like endings that make you think, just hate endings that are badly written.

[Troglyte]

Making 3 one endings genius. But if you are color blind, omg that must make the 3 one endings look and suck the same!!1!

[Vasparian]

Navasha wrote...

Never understood this hatred for speculation.

Mordin, one of the better loved characters, in Mass Effect owes everything he is to speculation.

His entire thought process is about speculating until "theory fits evidence".

But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

If you want to play a game where you have to guess what happens and nothing has a conclusion except what you make up in your head... I feel sorry for you.

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

Navasha wrote...

Never understood this hatred for speculation.

Mordin, one of the better loved characters, in Mass Effect owes everything he is to speculation.

His entire thought process is about speculating until "theory fits evidence".

But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

It's more the fact that the speculation inevitably leads you down a bleak, dark path.  Look at the thread(s) on synthesis; just the very idea is unpleasant, even with what few details we were given, and the speculation reflects that.  The loss of the mass relays similarly appears to irrevocably alter the entire setting.

The ending is a big black sunless expanse of speculation, and the fans have populated it with horrors.  That's not stupid, just human nature, not that I know which is worse.

[babachewie]

An English Gamer wrote...

Who cares if the Minority of your customers loath and abandon you when you have SPECCCUUUULLLLAAATTTTIIIIIOOOONNNSSSS!

fixed

[Aetas Mutuo]

Navasha wrote...

But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

Do you honestly believe that the crux of the issue is that people just don't want to "think"?
 
Or are you just trying to marginalize those people with whom you disagree?

Modifié par Aetas Mutuo, 23 avril 2012 - 04:50 .

[Severyx]

Aetas Mutuo wrote...

Navasha wrote...

But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

Do you honestly believe that the crux of the issue is that people just don't want to "think"?
 
Or are you just trying to marginalize those people with whom you disagree?

Nah, just like to marginalize people who don't like to think about things.

[Aetas Mutuo]

Severyx wrote...

Aetas Mutuo wrote...

Navasha wrote...

But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

Do you honestly believe that the crux of the issue is that people just don't want to "think"?
 
Or are you just trying to marginalize those people with whom you disagree?

Nah, just like to marginalize people who don't like to think about things.

Interesting.
 
Hmm, the more I think about it... Marginalizing people doesn't seem like a very well thought course of action.

[Sparse]

Navasha wrote...
But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

A good story leaves the audience pondering the themes it covers, it doesn't leave the entire audience trying to work out what actually happened. 

That isn't some new feature of stories, it has always been that way.

Modifié par Sparse, 23 avril 2012 - 04:58 .

[oblique9]

Navasha wrote...

Never understood this hatred for speculation.

Mordin, one of the better loved characters, in Mass Effect owes everything he is to speculation.

His entire thought process is about speculating until "theory fits evidence".

But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

Fox news. Why are they successful as a media outlet? Because people are too lazy to think.

[babachewie]

Sparse wrote...

Navasha wrote...
But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

A good story leaves the audience pondering the themes it covers, it doesn't leave the entire audience trying to work out what actually happened. 

That isn't some new feature of stories, it has always been that way.

tell that to inception 

[zarnk567]

babachewie wrote...

Sparse wrote...

Navasha wrote...
But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

A good story leaves the audience pondering the themes it covers, it doesn't leave the entire audience trying to work out what actually happened. 

That isn't some new feature of stories, it has always been that way.

tell that to inception 

......Was not really much to work out from that movie ending..... either he is in a dream or not...... Not really at all the same thing we got here, which is speculation for everything and I mean everything..... and we were not given enough information to come to any good conclusions unlike in Inception.... in other words....

Inception ending = good writing  ME3 ending = Bad writing.

[Rhazeal]

zarnk567 wrote...
Nope, I just hate the ending cause it broke the narrative cohesion of the entire story and broke people's suspension of dis-belief in the universe. I like endings that make you think, just hate endings that are badly written.

This.

Sparse wrote...
A good story leaves the audience pondering the themes it covers, it doesn't leave the entire audience trying to work out what actually happened. 
That isn't some new feature of stories, it has always been that way.

And this.

 
We who do not accept the ending are constantly being told that we are simultaneously thinking about it too much and that we havent thought about it enough to understand the deeper meaning implicit in the artistic nature of the ending.

So which is it. Do we think too much or do we think too little.  /facepalm

[CaptainZaysh]

Navasha wrote...

Never understood this hatred for speculation.

Mordin, one of the better loved characters, in Mass Effect owes everything he is to speculation.

His entire thought process is about speculating until "theory fits evidence".

But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

This.  I thought it was very clever that, at the end of the trilogy, we're left here on Earth looking out at the stars and wondering what we'll find - just as we were right at the start when it was all new to us.  I think it's really disappointing that so many BioWare fans need everything spoon fed to them.

[babachewie]

zarnk567 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Sparse wrote...

Navasha wrote...
But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

A good story leaves the audience pondering the themes it covers, it doesn't leave the entire audience trying to work out what actually happened. 

That isn't some new feature of stories, it has always been that way.

tell that to inception 

......Was not really much to work out from that movie ending..... either he is in a dream or not...... Not really at all the same thing we got here, which is speculation for everything and I mean everything..... and we were not given enough information to come to any good conclusions unlike in Inception.... in other words....

Inception ending = good writing  ME3 ending = Bad writing.

I''m not just talking about the ending of inception. Theres plenety more to speculate than just that, buts to much to get into. There is no speculation in ME3 if pay close attention to what happened. If you don't know something its because they probably dont want you to know it yet. Thats not bad writing. 

[Biotic_Warlock]

The sarcasm is unnoticable, OP.

[ungodlike]

babachewie wrote...

Sparse wrote...

Navasha wrote...
But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

A good story leaves the audience pondering the themes it covers, it doesn't leave the entire audience trying to work out what actually happened. 

That isn't some new feature of stories, it has always been that way.

tell that to inception 

That worked because that was the whole point,  to dream. a dream within a dream and maybe keep on dreaming,

ME3 we were being told a story then all of a sudden ?!?!?!?!?    wtf moments one after another.