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[CaptainZaysh]

Reorte wrote...

The end of RotJ left us knowing exactly what situation all the main characters were in and addressed all the main questions about the state of the galaxy right now. What we got was the equivalent of RotJ ending at the minute the Millenium Falcon fired in the middle of the Death Star.

Interesting.  I think it's more like if Luke didn't make it off the Death Star, and it ended with it exploding around him while he looked out at the fleet, and it didn't cut to the Nub Nub song.

I think I might have preferred that ending, but my worldview is quite bleak and existential I suppose.

[CaptainZaysh]

zarnk567 wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...

How many Epic series end (and I should specify, end well regarded) by leaving everything open and closing off none plotlines or finishing the stories of its characters.

Shepard's story is finished.  (Defeated the Reapers.)

What character arcs would you say were left unfinished?

Your joking right...... 

No, trying to have a discussion, and that was an incredibly useless contribution.

[Nonoru]

babachewie wrote...

Nonoru wrote...

babachewie wrote...

An English Gamer wrote...

Who cares if the Minority of your customers loath and abandon you when you have SPECCCUUUULLLLAAATTTTIIIIIOOOONNNSSSS!

fixed

Proof ? Don't start bringing BS to threads if you can't back it up.

The same can be said about you

Keep your assumptions for you. Never said haters were a majority, but it's more likely imo.

And don't avoid the question, where is your proof ? You're the one claiming ending haters are a minority, you brought it yourself, then back it up with solid evidence.

Modifié par Nonoru, 23 avril 2012 - 06:17 .

[Rhazeal]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Rhazeal wrote...

Either come up with a coherent opinion or leave the discussion to the adults please. You don't make any sense.

NO U.

Rhazeal wrote...
I suppose I have to spell it out becasue you obviously arent getting it.

CaptainZaysh wrote...
This. I thought it was very clever that, at the end of the trilogy, we're left here on Earth looking out at the stars and wondering what we'll find - just as we were right at the start when it was all new to us. I think it's really disappointing that so many BioWare fans need everything spoon fed to them.

These words that you wrote which nearly formed a coherent thought state that you are speaking from an in game perspective. I and other posters responded based on what you wrote.

And yet "we" as Shepard weren't actually on Earth at the start, were we?  Only the audience were.

I was speaking from the perspective of we, the audience.  I thought that was clear given that we, as in you and me and everybody talking in this thread - you know, we - are actually the fans and do not live in the Mass Effect universe.

Obviously you didn't get it.  So I clarified.  And got in response a snippy comment about how ignorant I am.  So you'll excuse me for not being exactly all sweetness and light to you, but I really can't be expected to explain it a third time, right?

And 'spoon fed' isnt snippy? You are being condescending to all detractors of the ending but expect us not to reciprocate.

Everything about the ending was literally stolen from other recent works of fiction there is nothing new or thought provoking about it. The star child is the architect from matrix, the normandy crashing is battlestar galactica, the three choices are deus ex:revolution. The ending is inconsistent with their own stated science. The more you know about the Mass Effect universe the less sense the ending makes.

It's not entitlement to insist that the ending to Mass effect receives the same level of professionalism the rest of the series enjoyed. It is also not being spoon fed to expect the writers to do the due diligence when following through with the logic of situations they expect us to accept as narratively coherent.

Modifié par Rhazeal, 23 avril 2012 - 06:27 .

[Jassu1979]

An open ending only works if you supply the audience with sufficient information to pick up the threads and spin their own conclusions. (With a few notable exceptions, such as "2001" and pretty much every David Lynch film - but slapping a Lynchesque ending onto a straightforward space opera like Mass Effect would be about as incongruous as concluding Hamlet with the final scene from "The Hangover".)

[Reorte]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Reorte wrote...

The end of RotJ left us knowing exactly what situation all the main characters were in and addressed all the main questions about the state of the galaxy right now. What we got was the equivalent of RotJ ending at the minute the Millenium Falcon fired in the middle of the Death Star.

Interesting.  I think it's more like if Luke didn't make it off the Death Star, and it ended with it exploding around him while he looked out at the fleet, and it didn't cut to the Nub Nub song.

I think I might have preferred that ending, but my worldview is quite bleak and existential I suppose.

Hmm, I suspect you've picked RotJ as an example simply because it would've been better if the Nub Nub song never existed  But even if had ended where you say there would still be too many unfinished bits - was the Alliance fleet blasted to bits by the rest of the Imperials, did the Imperials on the ground finally get their act together and exterminate those bloody teddy bears, along with Han Solo, Leia etc.? The hero has done all he can but did it achieve anything?

Similarly, should Lord of the Rings have ended the minute the Ring fell into the fire? Yes, it dragged on very much too long afterwards; that's an example of going too far in the other direction.

As for the bleak bit, have you read anything by Stephen Donaldson? I'd prefer to leave the bleak there (and I enjoy his books).

Modifié par Reorte, 23 avril 2012 - 06:25 .

[The Protheans]

Reorte wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Reorte wrote...

The end of RotJ left us knowing exactly what situation all the main characters were in and addressed all the main questions about the state of the galaxy right now. What we got was the equivalent of RotJ ending at the minute the Millenium Falcon fired in the middle of the Death Star.

Interesting.  I think it's more like if Luke didn't make it off the Death Star, and it ended with it exploding around him while he looked out at the fleet, and it didn't cut to the Nub Nub song.

I think I might have preferred that ending, but my worldview is quite bleak and existential I suppose.

Hmm, I suspect you've picked RotJ as an example simply because it would've been better if the Nub Nub song never existed  But even if had ended where you say there would still be too many unfinished bits - was the Alliance fleet blasted to bits by the rest of the Imperials, did the Imperials on the ground finally get their act together and exterminate those bloody teddy bears, along with Han Solo, Leia etc.? The hero has done all he can but did it achieve anything?

Similarly, should Lord of the Rings have ended the minute the Ring fell into the fire? Yes, it dragged on very much too long afterwards; that's an example of going too far in the other direction.

As for the bleak bit, have you read anything by Stephen Donaldson? I'd prefer to leave the bleak there (and I enjoy his books).

I hear the book was longer and more detailed, was the movie's ending too long? No it was the conculsion to a trilogy.

[babachewie]

The Protheans wrote...

babachewie wrote...

I'm not really aware how they trolled anyone. I saw pax. i didnt really see anythign crazy about Pax. They got asked cupcake questions. No pun intended. I think the base has handled it worse than Bioware. Bioware released a free DLC a awhile back and are working on a another free one to help those who needed more closure. I'm not sure what else they can do. Also this chunk of this base, in my opinion, isnt as significant as it's made out it to be. 

You're indoctrinated, listen to yourself.
You're in the minority of gamers who like the ending and defend Bioware, you're trailing on the borders of a troll.

The Chaos of this situation where the majority of fans are revolting against Bioware, look at it, it's  so perfect.

You're the reason why I'm glad they ignore you

[babachewie]

Nonoru wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Nonoru wrote...

babachewie wrote...

An English Gamer wrote...

Who cares if the Minority of your customers loath and abandon you when you have SPECCCUUUULLLLAAATTTTIIIIIOOOONNNSSSS!

fixed

Proof ? Don't start bringing BS to threads if you can't back it up.

The same can be said about you

Keep your assumptions for you. Never said haters were a majority, but it's more likely imo.

And don't avoid the question, where is your proof ? You're the one claiming ending haters are a minority, you brought it yourself, then back it up with solid evidence.

It was brought up that they were the majority first. Show me yours and i'll show you mine

[Aetas Mutuo]

Even though it was not made clear what happened to most of your squad, why Joker left the battle and what the impact was for the massive war fleet that was now stranded around earth. I heard from a very reliable twitter source that no one starves to death back on April 5th.
 
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan
@DerrickLAFilm it is true that no one starves etc. All that is already implied in the current end. DLC will clarify.

Everyone can calm down, there is DLC coming that should clear all this up.
 
Let's ask a Klingon what he thinks about plugging all these holes with some DLC.



(Note to self, send Jessica Merizan a dictionary and help her understand the definition of "implied.")

[Oldbones2]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...

How many Epic series end (and I should specify, end well regarded) by leaving everything open and closing off none plotlines or finishing the stories of its characters.

Shepard's story is finished.  (Defeated the Reapers.)

What character arcs would you say were left unfinished?

Shepards story is not finished.  It just stopped.  Abruptly.  My Shepard would never have accepted the choices laid out before him.  He would have refused.  Even if it meant refusing and the entire Galaxy is reaped again.  That's who he is.

Literally everyones;

How do Joker and EDI turn out?
Does Liara ever quit being the Shadow Broker?
Does Miranda find her sister again?
Can Ashley ever get home to her family?
Will Garrus FINALLY be recognized as the greatest Turian of his lifetime?
Will Wrex steer his people onto their proper path?
Does Jack find the peace she longs for?
etc.

And while you're anwering that...


Do the Krogan reform and learn to coexist with the other races?
Do the Salarians capitalize on their incredible luck (not invaded by Reapers and didn't lose much fleet at Earth) to become a superpower?
Can the Geth share Rannoch?
Have the Rachni earned a place among the other races of the galaxy?
etc.


I have many, many more if your interested.

[babachewie]

sparkyo42 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

Snip

Given the situation at the moment I will be surprised if we see a future game for a long time, their attitude towards the fanbase as well won't help them with new products.

 I'd say the attitude towards bioware won't help as well. Both sides might be at fault which might ultimately destroy the ME universe. Which is a shame.

Cetainly but if they had moved smarter/quicker the rage could have been avoided/deminished. I got Hearts of Iron 3 when it came out, like all Paradox games it was buggy. Some were major How the hell did they release this bugs. The forums went mad and within 24 hours the project lead was on saying yes there are bugs we know this and we will deal with them and work through the problems with you the fans, But we just finished the project and we're all taking a few weeks off but we are listening. And that was enough to calm the anger and the fans helped fix the game.

At this point I agree that the continuation of ME is in doubt, but the ending for me left me feeling like I don't care about the universe anymore.

I've never heard of Hearts of Iron 3, but its the same situation i have with most bethesda games. It's a process. Sometimes you have to be patient. I went dark before the game came out. I didnt read anything till I beat it. I really liked the ending and was caught off guard by the response from everyone else. I'm sure Bioware was too. I'm curious to see what this extended cut will include. 

They may have been caught out but the tone of the responses from them has been at best passive agressive at worst straight out trolling the fanbase.If they had engaged quicker they could have reduced the anger just look what happened after the Pac interviews. The problem now is that the at least a chunk of the basse is and maybe longterm against the game. and I don't think the ME universe can recover from that.

I'm not really aware how they trolled anyone. I saw pax. i didnt really see anythign crazy about Pax. They got asked cupcake questions. No pun intended. I think the base has handled it worse than Bioware. Bioware released a free DLC a awhile back and are working on a another free one to help those who needed more closure. I'm not sure what else they can do. Also this chunk of this base, in my opinion, isnt as significant as it's made out it to be. 

You don't think that Email or the artistic vision was less then an ideal way of handling us? I didn't mean the Pax caused trouble in fact the opposite the actually talked to the fans and explained more, that helped calm the anger on the boards, my point is if they had done more of this would probably wouldn't be in this situation, As to the free DLC so far all of it has been Mutliplayer, I haven't touched it or downloaded the free stuff at wouldn't be playing it.I just edited the save to give me the EMS that they promised wouldn't need Multiplayer

As an illustrator, I respect their right to tell the story they want to tell whether I like it or not. Or keep their Artistic vision if you will. I don't share the belief in forcing anyone to change it. People will love it or hate it. Doesnt matter as long as the artist is satisfied and proud of it. 

Modifié par babachewie, 23 avril 2012 - 06:44 .

[sparkyo42]

Snip

As an illustrator, I respect their right to tell the story they want to tell whether I like it or not. Or keep their Artistic vision if you will. I don't share the belief in forcing anyone to change it. People will love it or hate it. Doesnt matter as long as the artist is satisfied and proud of it. 

First I have to wonder. Is Artistic Vision being thrown out for PR protection or not, second the well documented fact that the ending mirror other recent games and finally the buy more DLC pop up. To me this is being used as an excuse.

Second the fact that they went so silent and are going to take so long to get the DLC makes me wonder if they are simply trying to figure out what to do. I know that arranging things will take time but if they had full answers to the question's the fan base had and felt that their ending was complete why didn't they address it in the forum within the first couple of weeks, instead it took them until the game was severly damaged in the sales to even start to talk to us. And changing things in Fallout 3 wasn't the end of the world.

[ReXspec]

babachewie wrote...

An English Gamer wrote...

Who cares if the Minority of your customers loath and abandon you when you have SPECCCUUUULLLLAAATTTTIIIIIOOOONNNSSSS!

fixed

Marginalizing a consumer fan base...

Hmmm...

Where do you work in Bioware?

[Oldbones2]

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

Snip

Given the situation at the moment I will be surprised if we see a future game for a long time, their attitude towards the fanbase as well won't help them with new products.

 I'd say the attitude towards bioware won't help as well. Both sides might be at fault which might ultimately destroy the ME universe. Which is a shame.

Cetainly but if they had moved smarter/quicker the rage could have been avoided/deminished. I got Hearts of Iron 3 when it came out, like all Paradox games it was buggy. Some were major How the hell did they release this bugs. The forums went mad and within 24 hours the project lead was on saying yes there are bugs we know this and we will deal with them and work through the problems with you the fans, But we just finished the project and we're all taking a few weeks off but we are listening. And that was enough to calm the anger and the fans helped fix the game.

At this point I agree that the continuation of ME is in doubt, but the ending for me left me feeling like I don't care about the universe anymore.

I've never heard of Hearts of Iron 3, but its the same situation i have with most bethesda games. It's a process. Sometimes you have to be patient. I went dark before the game came out. I didnt read anything till I beat it. I really liked the ending and was caught off guard by the response from everyone else. I'm sure Bioware was too. I'm curious to see what this extended cut will include. 

They may have been caught out but the tone of the responses from them has been at best passive agressive at worst straight out trolling the fanbase.If they had engaged quicker they could have reduced the anger just look what happened after the Pac interviews. The problem now is that the at least a chunk of the basse is and maybe longterm against the game. and I don't think the ME universe can recover from that.

I'm not really aware how they trolled anyone. I saw pax. i didnt really see anythign crazy about Pax. They got asked cupcake questions. No pun intended. I think the base has handled it worse than Bioware. Bioware released a free DLC a awhile back and are working on a another free one to help those who needed more closure. I'm not sure what else they can do. Also this chunk of this base, in my opinion, isnt as significant as it's made out it to be. 

You don't think that Email or the artistic vision was less then an ideal way of handling us? I didn't mean the Pax caused trouble in fact the opposite the actually talked to the fans and explained more, that helped calm the anger on the boards, my point is if they had done more of this would probably wouldn't be in this situation, As to the free DLC so far all of it has been Mutliplayer, I haven't touched it or downloaded the free stuff at wouldn't be playing it.I just edited the save to give me the EMS that they promised wouldn't need Multiplayer

As an illustrator, I respect their right to tell the story they want to tell whether I like it or not. Or keep their Artistic vision if you will. I don't share the belief in forcing anyone to change it. People will love it or hate it. Doesnt matter as long as the artist is satisfied and proud of it. 

A great attitude if you don't like eating food and having heat.


Here' business 101 for you kids. 


Satisfy your customer, first. 

[babachewie]

sparkyo42 wrote...


Snip

As an illustrator, I respect their right to tell the story they want to tell whether I like it or not. Or keep their Artistic vision if you will. I don't share the belief in forcing anyone to change it. People will love it or hate it. Doesnt matter as long as the artist is satisfied and proud of it. 

First I have to wonder. Is Artistic Vision being thrown out for PR protection or not, second the well documented fact that the ending mirror other recent games and finally the buy more DLC pop up. To me this is being used as an excuse.

Second the fact that they went so silent and are going to take so long to get the DLC makes me wonder if they are simply trying to figure out what to do. I know that arranging things will take time but if they had full answers to the question's the fan base had and felt that their ending was complete why didn't they address it in the forum within the first couple of weeks, instead it took them until the game was severly damaged in the sales to even start to talk to us. And changing things in Fallout 3 wasn't the end of the world.

Well I think we all knew that DLC was coming anyway before the game was released. So whether they told us or not at the end doesnt really matter. Most games do it. No game company can prepare on who fans are gonna reac till its released. Also they had to wait till the game was relased everywhere and gather enough data before taking action. Its only been a month and a half. Also globally its sold clost to 3 mil. its about where the last two were. So it did pretty well. Fallout 3 just made it so your character woke up in a coma and can continue on with DLC. It wasn that big a deal. The ending itself wasnt changed. People want a complete rewrite of ME3's. which is absurd.

[ReXspec]

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

Snip

Given the situation at the moment I will be surprised if we see a future game for a long time, their attitude towards the fanbase as well won't help them with new products.

 I'd say the attitude towards bioware won't help as well. Both sides might be at fault which might ultimately destroy the ME universe. Which is a shame.

Cetainly but if they had moved smarter/quicker the rage could have been avoided/deminished. I got Hearts of Iron 3 when it came out, like all Paradox games it was buggy. Some were major How the hell did they release this bugs. The forums went mad and within 24 hours the project lead was on saying yes there are bugs we know this and we will deal with them and work through the problems with you the fans, But we just finished the project and we're all taking a few weeks off but we are listening. And that was enough to calm the anger and the fans helped fix the game.

At this point I agree that the continuation of ME is in doubt, but the ending for me left me feeling like I don't care about the universe anymore.

I've never heard of Hearts of Iron 3, but its the same situation i have with most bethesda games. It's a process. Sometimes you have to be patient. I went dark before the game came out. I didnt read anything till I beat it. I really liked the ending and was caught off guard by the response from everyone else. I'm sure Bioware was too. I'm curious to see what this extended cut will include. 

They may have been caught out but the tone of the responses from them has been at best passive agressive at worst straight out trolling the fanbase.If they had engaged quicker they could have reduced the anger just look what happened after the Pac interviews. The problem now is that the at least a chunk of the basse is and maybe longterm against the game. and I don't think the ME universe can recover from that.

I'm not really aware how they trolled anyone. I saw pax. i didnt really see anythign crazy about Pax. They got asked cupcake questions. No pun intended. I think the base has handled it worse than Bioware. Bioware released a free DLC a awhile back and are working on a another free one to help those who needed more closure. I'm not sure what else they can do. Also this chunk of this base, in my opinion, isnt as significant as it's made out it to be. 

You don't think that Email or the artistic vision was less then an ideal way of handling us? I didn't mean the Pax caused trouble in fact the opposite the actually talked to the fans and explained more, that helped calm the anger on the boards, my point is if they had done more of this would probably wouldn't be in this situation, As to the free DLC so far all of it has been Mutliplayer, I haven't touched it or downloaded the free stuff at wouldn't be playing it.I just edited the save to give me the EMS that they promised wouldn't need Multiplayer

As an illustrator, I respect their right to tell the story they want to tell whether I like it or not. Or keep their Artistic vision if you will. I don't share the belief in forcing anyone to change it. People will love it or hate it. Doesnt matter as long as the artist is satisfied and proud of it. 

www.youtube.com/watch

Best of luck to you at making an effective rebuttal.

Modifié par ReXspec, 23 avril 2012 - 07:06 .

[babachewie]

[/quote] As an illustrator, I respect their right to tell the story they want to tell whether I like it or not. Or keep their Artistic vision if you will. I don't share the belief in forcing anyone to change it. People will love it or hate it. Doesnt matter as long as the artist is satisfied and proud of it. 
[/quote]


[/quote] A great attitude if you don't like eating food and having heat.


Here' business 101 for you kids. 


Satisfy your customer, first. 

[/quote] George RR Martin makes a living on pissing his fans off. 

Modifié par babachewie, 23 avril 2012 - 07:07 .

[babachewie]

ReXspec wrote...

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

Snip

Given the situation at the moment I will be surprised if we see a future game for a long time, their attitude towards the fanbase as well won't help them with new products.

 I'd say the attitude towards bioware won't help as well. Both sides might be at fault which might ultimately destroy the ME universe. Which is a shame.

Cetainly but if they had moved smarter/quicker the rage could have been avoided/deminished. I got Hearts of Iron 3 when it came out, like all Paradox games it was buggy. Some were major How the hell did they release this bugs. The forums went mad and within 24 hours the project lead was on saying yes there are bugs we know this and we will deal with them and work through the problems with you the fans, But we just finished the project and we're all taking a few weeks off but we are listening. And that was enough to calm the anger and the fans helped fix the game.

At this point I agree that the continuation of ME is in doubt, but the ending for me left me feeling like I don't care about the universe anymore.

I've never heard of Hearts of Iron 3, but its the same situation i have with most bethesda games. It's a process. Sometimes you have to be patient. I went dark before the game came out. I didnt read anything till I beat it. I really liked the ending and was caught off guard by the response from everyone else. I'm sure Bioware was too. I'm curious to see what this extended cut will include. 

They may have been caught out but the tone of the responses from them has been at best passive agressive at worst straight out trolling the fanbase.If they had engaged quicker they could have reduced the anger just look what happened after the Pac interviews. The problem now is that the at least a chunk of the basse is and maybe longterm against the game. and I don't think the ME universe can recover from that.

I'm not really aware how they trolled anyone. I saw pax. i didnt really see anythign crazy about Pax. They got asked cupcake questions. No pun intended. I think the base has handled it worse than Bioware. Bioware released a free DLC a awhile back and are working on a another free one to help those who needed more closure. I'm not sure what else they can do. Also this chunk of this base, in my opinion, isnt as significant as it's made out it to be. 

You don't think that Email or the artistic vision was less then an ideal way of handling us? I didn't mean the Pax caused trouble in fact the opposite the actually talked to the fans and explained more, that helped calm the anger on the boards, my point is if they had done more of this would probably wouldn't be in this situation, As to the free DLC so far all of it has been Mutliplayer, I haven't touched it or downloaded the free stuff at wouldn't be playing it.I just edited the save to give me the EMS that they promised wouldn't need Multiplayer

As an illustrator, I respect their right to tell the story they want to tell whether I like it or not. Or keep their Artistic vision if you will. I don't share the belief in forcing anyone to change it. People will love it or hate it. Doesnt matter as long as the artist is satisfied and proud of it. 

www.youtube.com/watch

Best of luck to you at making an effective rebuttal.

im not gonna read a youtube video. Why dont you just tell me your argument?

[Blodsven]

babachewie wrote...

 It was brought up that they were the majority first. Show me yours and i'll show you mine

http://www.metacriti...c/mass-effect-3

[The Protheans]

Aetas Mutuo wrote...

Even though it was not made clear what happened to most of your squad, why Joker left the battle and what the impact was for the massive war fleet that was now stranded around earth. I heard from a very reliable twitter source that no one starves to death back on April 5th.
 
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan
@DerrickLAFilm it is true that no one starves etc. All that is already implied in the current end. DLC will clarify.

Everyone can calm down, there is DLC coming that should clear all this up.
 
Let's ask a Klingon what he thinks about plugging all these holes with some DLC.



(Note to self, send Jessica Merizan a dictionary and help her understand the definition of "implied.")

I take it she meant stargazer on some random planet with no indication as to what happen to the fleets in the sol system and other worlds.
How does that imply anything other than that there is a colony on a planet somewhere in the galaxy 10000 years after the events of THE SHEPARD.

[sparkyo42]

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...


Snip

As an illustrator, I respect their right to tell the story they want to tell whether I like it or not. Or keep their Artistic vision if you will. I don't share the belief in forcing anyone to change it. People will love it or hate it. Doesnt matter as long as the artist is satisfied and proud of it. 

First I have to wonder. Is Artistic Vision being thrown out for PR protection or not, second the well documented fact that the ending mirror other recent games and finally the buy more DLC pop up. To me this is being used as an excuse.

Second the fact that they went so silent and are going to take so long to get the DLC makes me wonder if they are simply trying to figure out what to do. I know that arranging things will take time but if they had full answers to the question's the fan base had and felt that their ending was complete why didn't they address it in the forum within the first couple of weeks, instead it took them until the game was severly damaged in the sales to even start to talk to us. And changing things in Fallout 3 wasn't the end of the world.

Well I think we all knew that DLC was coming anyway before the game was released. So whether they told us or not at the end doesnt really matter. Most games do it. No game company can prepare on who fans are gonna reac till its released. Also they had to wait till the game was relased everywhere and gather enough data before taking action. Its only been a month and a half. Also globally its sold clost to 3 mil. its about where the last two were. So it did pretty well. Fallout 3 just made it so your character woke up in a coma and can continue on with DLC. It wasn that big a deal. The ending itself wasnt changed. People want a complete rewrite of ME3's. which is absurd.

The point is that as you put it we knew that they were bringing out DLC, the pop up was unnecessary, for those that didn't like the ending it was a red flag to a bull.

My point about them talking to us is that even now they have, that suggests to me they have to make up something to fill in the blanks that they left at the end which suggests to me they hadn't fully thought it out.

As for sales I think it's to early to tell where the game is, it will be interesting if the figures are ever released about how many really did return their games, I didn't but I did delete all 3 games from the PC, first time since I bought ME 1. I do think it's on record though that EA wanted/expected ME 3 to be larger than the other 2. Given the feelings I think it'll be like DA 2 and the DLC will fade away.

[babachewie]

Blodsven wrote...

babachewie wrote...

 It was brought up that they were the majority first. Show me yours and i'll show you mine

http://www.metacriti...c/mass-effect-3

So 1,600 people speak for 3 million? MC is a joke

[ReXspec]

babachewie wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

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Given the situation at the moment I will be surprised if we see a future game for a long time, their attitude towards the fanbase as well won't help them with new products.

 I'd say the attitude towards bioware won't help as well. Both sides might be at fault which might ultimately destroy the ME universe. Which is a shame.

Cetainly but if they had moved smarter/quicker the rage could have been avoided/deminished. I got Hearts of Iron 3 when it came out, like all Paradox games it was buggy. Some were major How the hell did they release this bugs. The forums went mad and within 24 hours the project lead was on saying yes there are bugs we know this and we will deal with them and work through the problems with you the fans, But we just finished the project and we're all taking a few weeks off but we are listening. And that was enough to calm the anger and the fans helped fix the game.

At this point I agree that the continuation of ME is in doubt, but the ending for me left me feeling like I don't care about the universe anymore.

I've never heard of Hearts of Iron 3, but its the same situation i have with most bethesda games. It's a process. Sometimes you have to be patient. I went dark before the game came out. I didnt read anything till I beat it. I really liked the ending and was caught off guard by the response from everyone else. I'm sure Bioware was too. I'm curious to see what this extended cut will include. 

They may have been caught out but the tone of the responses from them has been at best passive agressive at worst straight out trolling the fanbase.If they had engaged quicker they could have reduced the anger just look what happened after the Pac interviews. The problem now is that the at least a chunk of the basse is and maybe longterm against the game. and I don't think the ME universe can recover from that.

I'm not really aware how they trolled anyone. I saw pax. i didnt really see anythign crazy about Pax. They got asked cupcake questions. No pun intended. I think the base has handled it worse than Bioware. Bioware released a free DLC a awhile back and are working on a another free one to help those who needed more closure. I'm not sure what else they can do. Also this chunk of this base, in my opinion, isnt as significant as it's made out it to be. 

You don't think that Email or the artistic vision was less then an ideal way of handling us? I didn't mean the Pax caused trouble in fact the opposite the actually talked to the fans and explained more, that helped calm the anger on the boards, my point is if they had done more of this would probably wouldn't be in this situation, As to the free DLC so far all of it has been Mutliplayer, I haven't touched it or downloaded the free stuff at wouldn't be playing it.I just edited the save to give me the EMS that they promised wouldn't need Multiplayer

As an illustrator, I respect their right to tell the story they want to tell whether I like it or not. Or keep their Artistic vision if you will. I don't share the belief in forcing anyone to change it. People will love it or hate it. Doesnt matter as long as the artist is satisfied and proud of it. 

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Best of luck to you at making an effective rebuttal.

im not gonna read a youtube video. Why dont you just tell me your argument?

Because there are those in this community who are blessed with the words to express what I cannot.  That tasteful, understated nerdrage puts into voice what I cannot put into words.

And if you can't make a rebuttal to that dudes argument, your counter is as weak as your premise.

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sparkyo42 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...


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As an illustrator, I respect their right to tell the story they want to tell whether I like it or not. Or keep their Artistic vision if you will. I don't share the belief in forcing anyone to change it. People will love it or hate it. Doesnt matter as long as the artist is satisfied and proud of it. 

First I have to wonder. Is Artistic Vision being thrown out for PR protection or not, second the well documented fact that the ending mirror other recent games and finally the buy more DLC pop up. To me this is being used as an excuse.

Second the fact that they went so silent and are going to take so long to get the DLC makes me wonder if they are simply trying to figure out what to do. I know that arranging things will take time but if they had full answers to the question's the fan base had and felt that their ending was complete why didn't they address it in the forum within the first couple of weeks, instead it took them until the game was severly damaged in the sales to even start to talk to us. And changing things in Fallout 3 wasn't the end of the world.

Well I think we all knew that DLC was coming anyway before the game was released. So whether they told us or not at the end doesnt really matter. Most games do it. No game company can prepare on who fans are gonna reac till its released. Also they had to wait till the game was relased everywhere and gather enough data before taking action. Its only been a month and a half. Also globally its sold clost to 3 mil. its about where the last two were. So it did pretty well. Fallout 3 just made it so your character woke up in a coma and can continue on with DLC. It wasn that big a deal. The ending itself wasnt changed. People want a complete rewrite of ME3's. which is absurd.

The point is that as you put it we knew that they were bringing out DLC, the pop up was unnecessary, for those that didn't like the ending it was a red flag to a bull.

My point about them talking to us is that even now they have, that suggests to me they have to make up something to fill in the blanks that they left at the end which suggests to me they hadn't fully thought it out.

As for sales I think it's to early to tell where the game is, it will be interesting if the figures are ever released about how many really did return their games, I didn't but I did delete all 3 games from the PC, first time since I bought ME 1. I do think it's on record though that EA wanted/expected ME 3 to be larger than the other 2. Given the feelings I think it'll be like DA 2 and the DLC will fade away.

Well it sounds like they are damned if they do or damned if they don't. At least they are doing something. As for sales, I got my numbers from VGcharts. Maybe they're accurate. I don't know. They are normally pretty good at keeping score. Hopefully you're wrong about DLC fade.