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[babachewie]

ReXspec wrote...

babachewie wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

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Given the situation at the moment I will be surprised if we see a future game for a long time, their attitude towards the fanbase as well won't help them with new products.

 I'd say the attitude towards bioware won't help as well. Both sides might be at fault which might ultimately destroy the ME universe. Which is a shame.

Cetainly but if they had moved smarter/quicker the rage could have been avoided/deminished. I got Hearts of Iron 3 when it came out, like all Paradox games it was buggy. Some were major How the hell did they release this bugs. The forums went mad and within 24 hours the project lead was on saying yes there are bugs we know this and we will deal with them and work through the problems with you the fans, But we just finished the project and we're all taking a few weeks off but we are listening. And that was enough to calm the anger and the fans helped fix the game.

At this point I agree that the continuation of ME is in doubt, but the ending for me left me feeling like I don't care about the universe anymore.

I've never heard of Hearts of Iron 3, but its the same situation i have with most bethesda games. It's a process. Sometimes you have to be patient. I went dark before the game came out. I didnt read anything till I beat it. I really liked the ending and was caught off guard by the response from everyone else. I'm sure Bioware was too. I'm curious to see what this extended cut will include. 

They may have been caught out but the tone of the responses from them has been at best passive agressive at worst straight out trolling the fanbase.If they had engaged quicker they could have reduced the anger just look what happened after the Pac interviews. The problem now is that the at least a chunk of the basse is and maybe longterm against the game. and I don't think the ME universe can recover from that.

I'm not really aware how they trolled anyone. I saw pax. i didnt really see anythign crazy about Pax. They got asked cupcake questions. No pun intended. I think the base has handled it worse than Bioware. Bioware released a free DLC a awhile back and are working on a another free one to help those who needed more closure. I'm not sure what else they can do. Also this chunk of this base, in my opinion, isnt as significant as it's made out it to be. 

You don't think that Email or the artistic vision was less then an ideal way of handling us? I didn't mean the Pax caused trouble in fact the opposite the actually talked to the fans and explained more, that helped calm the anger on the boards, my point is if they had done more of this would probably wouldn't be in this situation, As to the free DLC so far all of it has been Mutliplayer, I haven't touched it or downloaded the free stuff at wouldn't be playing it.I just edited the save to give me the EMS that they promised wouldn't need Multiplayer

As an illustrator, I respect their right to tell the story they want to tell whether I like it or not. Or keep their Artistic vision if you will. I don't share the belief in forcing anyone to change it. People will love it or hate it. Doesnt matter as long as the artist is satisfied and proud of it. 

www.youtube.com/watch

Best of luck to you at making an effective rebuttal.

im not gonna read a youtube video. Why dont you just tell me your argument?

Because there are those in this community who are blessed with the words to express what I cannot.  That tasteful, understated nerdrage puts into voice what I cannot put into words.

And if you can't make a rebuttal to that dudes argument, your counter is as weak as your premise.

If you can't aritculate the argument yourself, or even make an effort to bother coming up with your own without piggy backing on someones elses then why should I?

[Nonoru]

babachewie wrote...

Nonoru wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Nonoru wrote...

babachewie wrote...

An English Gamer wrote...

Who cares if the Minority of your customers loath and abandon you when you have SPECCCUUUULLLLAAATTTTIIIIIOOOONNNSSSS!

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Proof ? Don't start bringing BS to threads if you can't back it up.

The same can be said about you

Keep your assumptions for you.
Never said haters were a majority, but it's more likely imo.


And don't avoid the question, where is your proof ? You're the one claiming ending haters are a minority, you brought it yourself, then back it up with solid evidence.

It was brought up that they were the majority first. 

Show me yours and i'll show you mine

Seems like you can't read.  What part of this;
"Never said haters were a majority, but it's more likely imo."  
You don't understand ? 

And you're still avoiding to answer; Where is your back up proof that ending haters are a minority ? 

Like i said; if you don't show any proof, don't bring made up BS.
We clear ? 

Modifié par Nonoru, 23 avril 2012 - 07:22 .

[Faded-Myth]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Navasha wrote...

Never understood this hatred for speculation.

Mordin, one of the better loved characters, in Mass Effect owes everything he is to speculation.

His entire thought process is about speculating until "theory fits evidence".

But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

This.  I thought it was very clever that, at the end of the trilogy, we're left here on Earth looking out at the stars and wondering what we'll find - just as we were right at the start when it was all new to us.  I think it's really disappointing that so many BioWare fans need everything spoon fed to them.

As an ameteur astronomer, I spend every day of my real life wondering what's out there in space. I have a big, fat book on nebulae and other space phemonona on my work desk just so I can remind myself how big the universe is, and how small and insignifiant (and therefore incredibly wonderful and unique) human life is. I enjoyed the Mass Effect series because it gave me an interpretation on advanced alien life and humanity's budding relationship with them. Taking that away and leaving me stuck on some planet watching a random old grandpa ponder what's out there means nothing to me. It worked for the film Contact, where the whole film is about an observer who feels stranded and alone, but to strip me of that in an interactive game where I play specifically to interact with alien races and enjoy the univer they've created does not.

Blanket statements don't work when not every person who hates the ending of the game is some unthinking neanderthal. There are pro-enders on this forum who have acknowledged that while we disagree on our perspective of the ending, we're not all idiots and we're not all incapable of lateral thinking. There's a great deal of people out there who find the writing not up the sane standards as the rest of the game. If you don't agree with that, I certainly have no qualms and I'm not about to go pointing fingers at you saying "you just don't appreciate good writing", because I don't know for a fact that's actually the case.

Modifié par Faded-Myth, 23 avril 2012 - 07:28 .

[GLR-0053]

It was Triumphant and Uplifting.

Modifié par GLR-0053, 23 avril 2012 - 07:26 .

[ReXspec]

[/quote] If you can't aritculate the argument yourself, or even make an effort to bother coming up with your own without piggy backing on someones elses then why should I?[/quote]
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If I could honestly speak about ALL the points that are mentioned in this video, I would take a whole page in this board.

So, because I'm a stubborn d!ck and am fairly lazy, let me rebut your argument with this:

You don't want to watch the video because you can't come up with a strong response, rebuttal, or counter to the argument presented.

Since you are insistent on preening argumentative ****gotry, let me give you my viewpoints (which, essentially is a summaray of the posted video).

1.  The Ending to ME3 is not art.

2.  No amount of "clarity and closure" will fix the ending.  Even masterfully written narrative and cutscenes will be throwing good writing after bad--essentially chaining an anchor to the neck of whatever good is coming out of the EC DLC.

3.  The fans were excluded from the conversation in regards to the ending to ME3.  So, Bioware decided to meet us halfway by making a half-ass fix to the problem and going right back into siegemode.  Now customer loyalty is coming out of every orifice in Bioware.

In short, if you honestly need context to my summary, watch the damn video.  Stop being an ass.

Modifié par ReXspec, 23 avril 2012 - 07:30 .

[babachewie]

Nonoru wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Nonoru wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Nonoru wrote...

babachewie wrote...

An English Gamer wrote...

Who cares if the Minority of your customers loath and abandon you when you have SPECCCUUUULLLLAAATTTTIIIIIOOOONNNSSSS!

fixed

Proof ? Don't start bringing BS to threads if you can't back it up.

The same can be said about you

Keep your assumptions for you.
Never said haters were a majority, but it's more likely imo.


And don't avoid the question, where is your proof ? You're the one claiming ending haters are a minority, you brought it yourself, then back it up with solid evidence.

It was brought up that they were the majority first.

Care to show where ? 

Show me yours and i'll show you mine

Seems like you can't read.  What part of this;
"Never said haters were a majority, but it's more likely imo."  
You don't understand ? 

And you're still avoiding to answer; Where is your back up proof that ending haters are a minority ? 

Like i said; if you don't show any proof, don't bring made up BS.
We clear ? 

Exactly your opinion. Just like mine is. So you said they're the majority. Just like the first guy did. Why do i need proof and you don't? 

[Blodsven]

babachewie wrote...

Blodsven wrote...

babachewie wrote...

 It was brought up that they were the majority first. Show me yours and i'll show you mine

http://www.metacriti...c/mass-effect-3

So 1,600 people speak for 3 million? MC is a joke

Here is a simple task for you. 

I have provided a statistical group of 1600 individuals that clearly shows a negative majority, especially since the "mixed" reviews do bash the ending. Please provide an equal or greater statistical group of individuals that clearly shows that the negative group is a minority.

In short, I showed mine... now, how about if you hold your words, eh? Can you show yours, or are you backing out here? Say that is not true, eh? You must have something, something tiny-whiny-thing that support your view, right? For god forbid, it can't be that you are just pulling your numbers out of the blue? 


ADDENDUM:
Since I'm a follower of the scientific principles, I do also accept if you can with logic prove that my group of 1600 can't be used as statistics for the hypothetical scenario that a majority of the player base have a negative experience of the ending. Good luck. 

(and no, I do not accept "MC is a joke" as any kind of logical proof)

Modifié par Blodsven, 23 avril 2012 - 07:47 .

[The Night Mammoth]

babachewie wrote...
Exactly your opinion. Just like mine is.

Irrelevant. Without some sort of factual backing or plausible reasoning, neither of you are correct. 

I think most people are aware it's your opinion, no need to use that like a shield.

So you said they're the majority. Just like the first guy did. Why do i need proof and you don't? 

He never said anything of the sort. The first person made an assertion, you made your own, equally baseless one, and were then called out on it. 

The burden is on you, in this situation, since you aren't conversing with the first person or arguing with someone who made any sort of sweeping statement. 

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[ReXspec]

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[/quote] If you can't aritculate the
argument yourself, or even make an effort to bother coming up with your
own without piggy backing on someones elses then why should I?
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If I could honestly speak about ALL the points that are mentioned in this video, I would take a whole page in this board.

So, because I'm a stubborn d!ck and am fairly lazy, let me rebut your argument with this:

You don't want to watch the video because you can't come up with a strong response, rebuttal, or counter to the argument presented.

Since you are insistent on preening argumentative ****gotry, let me give you my viewpoints (which, essentially is a summaray of the posted video).

1.  The Ending to ME3 is not art.

2.  No amount of "clarity and closure" will fix the ending.  Even masterfully written narrative and cutscenes will be throwing good writing after bad--essentially chaining an anchor to the neck of whatever good is coming out of the EC DLC.

3.  The fans were excluded from the conversation in regards to the ending to ME3.  So, Bioware decided to meet us halfway by making a half-ass fix to the problem and going right back into siegemode.  Now customer loyalty is coming out of every orifice in Bioware.

In short, if you honestly need context to my summary, watch the damn video.  Stop being an ass.

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[babachewie]

[quote]ReXspec wrote...

[/quote] If you can't aritculate the argument yourself, or even make an effort to bother coming up with your own without piggy backing on someones elses then why should I?[/quote]
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If I could honestly speak about ALL the points that are mentioned in this video, I would take a whole page in this board.

So, because I'm a stubborn d!ck and am fairly lazy, let me rebut your argument with this:

You don't want to watch the video because you can't come up with a strong response, rebuttal, or counter to the argument presented.

Since you are insistent on preening argumentative ****gorty, let me give you my viewpoints (which, essentially is a summaray of the posted video).

1.  The Ending to ME3 is not art.

2.  No amount of "clarity and closure" will fix the ending.  Even masterfully written narrative and cutscenes will be throwing good writing after bad--essentially chaining an anchor to the neck of whatever good is coming out of the EC DLC.

3.  The fans were excluded from the conversation in regards to the ending to ME3.  So, Bioware decided to meet us halfway by making a half-ass fix to the problem and going right back into siegemode.  Now customer loyalty is coming out of every orifice in Bioware.

In short, if you honestly need context to my summary, watch the damn video.  Stop being an ass.

[/quote]Have you maybe givin the thought that maybe I'm just as lazy and that I don't want to study some video it took 3 seconds for you to find? Then spend way more time and effort then you to come up with some valid response to it. I will respond to your 3 items seeing as you at least tried.

1. Everything is art to somebody.  You might not like, art is subject and means somethign different to every person on the planet. One perosn doesnt get to decide that. 

2. None of what you said is proven seeing as no one has seen what they're gonna do. You could be right though. The people who liked will probbaly get more of what they liked and those who didnt might still end up hating it. Or it might satisfy some of those hated the ending. guess we'll have to wait and see.

3. I don't really know what you;re talking about here. A lot of words, but very little meaning. What conversation? 

[lordofdogtown19]

 

[babachewie]

Blodsven wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Blodsven wrote...

babachewie wrote...

 It was brought up that they were the majority first. Show me yours and i'll show you mine

http://www.metacriti...c/mass-effect-3

So 1,600 people speak for 3 million? MC is a joke

Here is a simple task for you. 

I have provided a statistical group of 1600 individuals that clearly shows a negative majority, especially since the "mixed" reviews do bash the ending. Please provide an equal or greater statistical group of individuals that clearly shows that the negative group is a minority.

In short, I showed mine... now, how about if you hold your words, eh? Can you show yours, or are you backing out here? Say that is not true, eh? You must have something, something tiny-whiny-thing that support your view, right? For god forbid, it can't be that you are just pulling your numbers out of the blue? 


ADDENDUM:
Since I'm a follower of the scientific principles, I do also accept if you can with logic prove that my group of 1600 can't be used as statistics for the hypothetical scenario that a majority of the player base have a negative experience of the ending. Good luck. 

(and no, I do not accept "MC is a joke" as any kind of logical proof)

Angry gamers will find any outlet to vent they're angry. MC isnt a valid example of what peole think. MW3 made over a billion dollars. Its MC rating is lower than ME3's and is still the most played game in the world right now. Obviously there is some discrepancy. Your evidence is invalid 

Modifié par babachewie, 23 avril 2012 - 07:54 .

[Stygian1]

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Given the situation at the moment I will be surprised if we see a future game for a long time, their attitude towards the fanbase as well won't help them with new products.

 I'd say the attitude towards bioware won't help as well. Both sides might be at fault which might ultimately destroy the ME universe. Which is a shame.
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Cetainly but if they had moved smarter/quicker the rage could have been avoided/deminished. I got Hearts of Iron 3 when it came out, like all Paradox games it was buggy. Some were major How the hell did they release this bugs. The forums went mad and within 24 hours the project lead was on saying yes there are bugs we know this and we will deal with them and work through the problems with you the fans, But we just finished the project and we're all taking a few weeks off but we are listening. And that was enough to calm the anger and the fans helped fix the game.

At this point I agree that the continuation of ME is in doubt, but the ending for me left me feeling like I don't care about the universe anymore.

[/quote] I've never heard of Hearts of Iron 3, but its the same situation i have with most bethesda games. It's a process. Sometimes you have to be patient. I went dark before the game came out. I didnt read anything till I beat it. I really liked the ending and was caught off guard by the response from everyone else. I'm sure Bioware was too. I'm curious to see what this extended cut will include. 
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They may have been caught out but the tone of the responses from them has been at best passive agressive at worst straight out trolling the fanbase.If they had engaged quicker they could have reduced the anger just look what happened after the Pac interviews. The problem now is that the at least a chunk of the basse is and maybe longterm against the game. and I don't think the ME universe can recover from that.

[/quote] I'm not really aware how they trolled anyone. I saw pax. i didnt really see anythign crazy about Pax. They got asked cupcake questions. No pun intended. I think the base has handled it worse than Bioware. Bioware released a free DLC a awhile back and are working on a another free one to help those who needed more closure. I'm not sure what else they can do. Also this chunk of this base, in my opinion, isnt as significant as it's made out it to be. 
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You don't think that Email or the artistic vision was less then an ideal way of handling us? I didn't mean the Pax caused trouble in fact the opposite the actually talked to the fans and explained more, that helped calm the anger on the boards, my point is if they had done more of this would probably wouldn't be in this situation, As to the free DLC so far all of it has been Mutliplayer, I haven't touched it or downloaded the free stuff at wouldn't be playing it.I just edited the save to give me the EMS that they promised wouldn't need Multiplayer

[/quote] As an illustrator, I respect their right to tell the story they want to tell whether I like it or not. Or keep their Artistic vision if you will. I don't share the belief in forcing anyone to change it. People will love it or hate it. Doesnt matter as long as the artist is satisfied and proud of it. 
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www.youtube.com/watch

Best of luck to you at making an effective rebuttal.
[/quote] im not gonna read a youtube video. Why dont you just tell me your argument?
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Because there are those in this community who are blessed with the words to express what I cannot.  That tasteful, understated nerdrage puts into voice what I cannot put into words.

And if you can't make a rebuttal to that dudes argument, your counter is as weak as your premise.

[/quote] If you can't aritculate the argument yourself, or even make an effort to bother coming up with your own without piggy backing on someones elses then why should I?
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Are you guys Egyptians?

Because you've made one hell of a pyramid! 

[ReXspec]

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]ReXspec wrote...

[/quote] If you can't aritculate the argument yourself, or even make an effort to bother coming up with your own without piggy backing on someones elses then why should I?[/quote]
[/quote]

If I could honestly speak about ALL the points that are mentioned in this video, I would take a whole page in this board.

So, because I'm a stubborn d!ck and am fairly lazy, let me rebut your argument with this:

You don't want to watch the video because you can't come up with a strong response, rebuttal, or counter to the argument presented.

Since you are insistent on preening argumentative ****gorty, let me give you my viewpoints (which, essentially is a summaray of the posted video).

1.  The Ending to ME3 is not art.

2.  No amount of "clarity and closure" will fix the ending.  Even masterfully written narrative and cutscenes will be throwing good writing after bad--essentially chaining an anchor to the neck of whatever good is coming out of the EC DLC.

3.  The fans were excluded from the conversation in regards to the ending to ME3.  So, Bioware decided to meet us halfway by making a half-ass fix to the problem and going right back into siegemode.  Now customer loyalty is coming out of every orifice in Bioware.

In short, if you honestly need context to my summary, watch the damn video.  Stop being an ass.

[/quote]Have you maybe givin the thought that maybe I'm just as lazy and that I don't want to study some video it took 3 seconds for you to find? Then spend way more time and effort then you to come up with some valid response to it. I will respond to your 3 items seeing as you at least tried.

1. Everything is art to somebody.  You might not like, art is subject and means somethign different to every person on the planet. One perosn doesnt get to decide that. 

2. None of what you said is proven seeing as no one has seen what they're gonna do. You could be right though. The people who liked will probbaly get more of what they liked and those who didnt might still end up hating it. Or it might satisfy some of those hated the ending. guess we'll have to wait and see.

3. I don't really know what you;re talking about here. A lot of words, but very little meaning. What conversation? 
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Did you honestly post this?  Or are you some kind of special idiot I've never heard about?

So much for that troll...

[babachewie]

[quote]ReXspec wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]ReXspec wrote...

[/quote] If you can't aritculate the argument yourself, or even make an effort to bother coming up with your own without piggy backing on someones elses then why should I?[/quote]
[/quote]

If I could honestly speak about ALL the points that are mentioned in this video, I would take a whole page in this board.

So, because I'm a stubborn d!ck and am fairly lazy, let me rebut your argument with this:

You don't want to watch the video because you can't come up with a strong response, rebuttal, or counter to the argument presented.

Since you are insistent on preening argumentative ****gorty, let me give you my viewpoints (which, essentially is a summaray of the posted video).

1.  The Ending to ME3 is not art.

2.  No amount of "clarity and closure" will fix the ending.  Even masterfully written narrative and cutscenes will be throwing good writing after bad--essentially chaining an anchor to the neck of whatever good is coming out of the EC DLC.

3.  The fans were excluded from the conversation in regards to the ending to ME3.  So, Bioware decided to meet us halfway by making a half-ass fix to the problem and going right back into siegemode.  Now customer loyalty is coming out of every orifice in Bioware.

In short, if you honestly need context to my summary, watch the damn video.  Stop being an ass.

[/quote]Have you maybe givin the thought that maybe I'm just as lazy and that I don't want to study some video it took 3 seconds for you to find? Then spend way more time and effort then you to come up with some valid response to it. I will respond to your 3 items seeing as you at least tried.

1. Everything is art to somebody.  You might not like, art is subject and means somethign different to every person on the planet. One perosn doesnt get to decide that. 

2. None of what you said is proven seeing as no one has seen what they're gonna do. You could be right though. The people who liked will probbaly get more of what they liked and those who didnt might still end up hating it. Or it might satisfy some of those hated the ending. guess we'll have to wait and see.

3. I don't really know what you;re talking about here. A lot of words, but very little meaning. What conversation? 
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Did you honestly post this?  Or are you some kind of special idiot I've never heard about?

So much for that troll...

[/quote] Oh look a personal attack. 

[Mcfly616]

Navasha wrote...

Never understood this hatred for speculation.

Mordin, one of the better loved characters, in Mass Effect owes everything he is to speculation.

His entire thought process is about speculating until "theory fits evidence".

But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

The ending sucked.....plain and simple.....I don't need to think too hard about things to realize when I see a pile of steaming crap, that it is indeed crap....I get the endings....I don't need them clarified....an ambiguous ending has no place as the ending of a trilogy....thats what the first two parts are for....

[NoUserNameHere]

People have the gall to compare Mass Effect to Inception? Is nothing sacred?


Watch Inception twice, and you'll start notcing that nearly every line foreshadows some aspect of Mal or the dream sequence. Mass Effect 3's script... lacks this subtlety. Resoundingly lacks traits associated with being subtle. Its lack of foreshadowing is almost an artform unto itself.

Modifié par NoUserNameHere, 23 avril 2012 - 08:00 .

[babachewie]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

People have the gall to compare Mass Effect to Inception? Is nothing sacred?


Watch Inception twice, and you'll start notcing that nearly every line foreshadows some aspect of Mal or the dream sequence. Mass Effect 3's script... lacks this subtlety. Resoundingly lacks traits associated with being subtle. Its lack of foreshadowing is almost an artform unto itself.

Wasnt comapring Mass Effect to inception. Was making a point that not every littlle thing needs to be explained to be a good story. Questions can be left unanswered 

[VoraciousBeaver]

They definitely accomplished that. But it seems that most speculation is done to rationalize the terrible execution of the ending, rather than to complete the story which they intended to deliver. That's not exactly something to boast about.

[Blodsven]

babachewie wrote...

Angry gamers will find any outlet to vent their angry. MC isnt a valid example of what peopel think. MW3 made over a billion dollars. It MC rating is lower than ME3's and is still the most played game in the world right now. Obviously there is some discrepancy. Your evdence is invalid 

1. Angry gamers will vent their anger, yes. That was the whole point, right? We are not looking for just the possitive players, or for that matter only negative players. The idea is to have as big group of individuals as possible, the bigger the better. With very little search I found a group of 1600 that did provide a mixed review of possitive and negative feedback. You have still not provided any group to support your claim.

2. MW3 might have earned a billion dollars, and obviously ME3 should have made plenty of money. The question is not regarding their initial sales, since you do need the product in order to experience it. If you wish to bring monetary values to support your claim that the negative group is a minority, then the safest bet is to measure the number of bought DLC, that were bought after the player managed to finish the game. Of course, for ME3 this is not possible yet.

3. Yes MW3's rating on that site is even lower than ME3. However, you have not managed to provide any evidence that it is the most played game in the world right now. Personally I would think that Angry Birds, WoW or good old Solitaire ranks far higher. However that is an opinion and unlike you, I do not need to provide any evidence of that... since those three games do not affect my argument. You on the other hand must show that a majority of the MW3 owners do actually play the game still.


In short, you have not:
a) Provided a statistical group of your own.
Logically proven that the group I used could not be used.

Thus my evidence is still valid.


ADDENDUM:
MC had 2856 individuals rate ME3, not 1600, so the statiscal group is a bit larger than what has been said here.

Modifié par Blodsven, 23 avril 2012 - 08:19 .

[soulprovider]

babachewie wrote...

An English Gamer wrote...

Who cares if the Majority of your loyal fanbase loath and abandon you when you have SPECCCUUUULLLLAAATTTTIIIIIOOOONNNSSSS!

fixed

fixed again

[Ownedbacon]

Navasha wrote...

Never understood this hatred for speculation.

Mordin, one of the better loved characters, in Mass Effect owes everything he is to speculation.

His entire thought process is about speculating until "theory fits evidence".

But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

Had the ending been complete stayed true to lore and left the right things up for speculation I would have been fine but it doesn't. The Reapers motivations should have been left up to speculation.

[Aetas Mutuo]

Blodsven wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Angry gamers will find any outlet to vent their angry. MC isnt a valid example of what peopel think. MW3 made over a billion dollars. It MC rating is lower than ME3's and is still the most played game in the world right now. Obviously there is some discrepancy. Your evdence is invalid 

1. Angry gamers will vent their anger, yes. That was the whole point, right? We are not looking for just the possitive players, or for that matter only negative players. The idea is to have as big group of individuals as possible, the bigger the better. With very little search I found a group of 1600 that did provide a mixed review of possitive and negative feedback. You have still not provided any group to support your claim.

2. MW3 might have earned a billion dollars, and obviously ME3 should have made plenty of money. The question is not regarding their initial sales, since you do need the product in order to experience it. If you wish to bring monetary values to support your claim that the negative group is a minority, then the safest bet is to measure the number of bought DLC, that were bought after the player managed to finish the game. Of course, for ME3 this is not possible yet.

3. Yes MW3's rating on that site is even lower than ME3. However, you have not managed to provide any evidence that it is the most played game in the world right now. Personally I would think that Angry Birds, WoW or good old Solitaire ranks far higher. However that is an opinion and unlike you, I do not need to provide any evidence of that... since those three games do not affect my argument. You on the other hand must show that a majority of the MW3 owners do actually play the game still.


In short, you have not:
a) Provided a statistical group of your own.
Logically proven that the group I used could not be used.

Thus my evidence is still valid.


ADDENDUM:
MC had 2856 individuals rate ME3, not 1600, so the statiscal group is a bit larger than what has been said here.

Blodsven's logic is sound. I have a background in Statistics and he has a couple of solid points. However, I don't believe that a majority of people have a lot of training in statistical analysis. So, we can do a little benchmarking instead for a quick, albeit flawed, comparison:
 
ME on PC:
Metacritic Score: 89
User Score: 8.4
 
ME2 on PC:
Metacritic Score: 94
User Score: 8.5
 
ME3 on PC:
Metacritic Score: 89
User Score: 3.8
 
Obviously, something happened in the 3rd game that did not happen in the other two.

[Dot.Shadow]

The only speculation there is, is the indoctrination theory, and that's just trying to explain away the ending because it was so bad.

Beyond that there's a whole lot of "Why would Bioware do this?" which isn't exactly what they, Casey, had in mind I imagine.