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[ReXspec]

inb4 babachewie realizes he is trying to lick his elbow.

[Ashilana]

The RPGenius wrote...

Does it still count if a significant part of the speculation is people speculating on whether or not they will ever purchase one of your products again?

No speculation there. 

[Phaedros]

"Smashing" = breaking something so it's useless.

Sums up ME3 to me..

[The Protheans]

ReXspec wrote...

inb4 babachewie realizes he is trying to lick his elbow.

I thought he got bored of trying to troll and gave up and was barely able to move his fingers to type.

[babachewie]

ReXspec wrote...

@babachewie

You are fighting a losing battle here. The ending was garbage, the majority of the fans agree with that sentiment. Period.

Countless people have already offered up their evidence (including me) and the only thing you are doing is covering your ears and closing your eyes eyes while going, "LALALALALALA WHAT I CANT SEE OR HEAR ISN'T TRUE!"

Seriously, admit you are a forum troll and move on to another board. You will find no success in your arguments here.

You're just angry I wouldnt watch your dumb video of an arguement that wasnt even your own. You piggy back off someone elses words because you werent intelligent enough to articulate it yourself. Which leaves me to think you werent smart enough to understand the ending. Which is fine. It doesn't really matter to me whether you believe its garbage or not. You don't seem the type of person I would look for an opinion on such matters. 

Modifié par babachewie, 23 avril 2012 - 11:28 .

[-Skorpious-]

If the goal was to alienate your most passionate fans to the point of swearing off your products, then yes, it was most definitely a smashing success.

[babachewie]

The Protheans wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

inb4 babachewie realizes he is trying to lick his elbow.

I thought he got bored of trying to troll and gave up and was barely able to move his fingers to type.

You dont even know what a troll is. I havent resorted to even one personal attack. You''re mad cause someones disagrees with you. To bad. 

Modifié par babachewie, 23 avril 2012 - 11:31 .

[ReXspec]

babachewie wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

inb4 babachewie realizes he is trying to lick his elbow.

I thought he got bored of trying to troll and gave up and was barely able to move his fingers to type.

You dont even know what a troll is. I havent resorted to even one personal attack. You''re mad cause someones disagrees with you. To bad. 

All I'm reading now is, "u mad, bro?"

Bad form, mongoloid.

[babachewie]

ReXspec wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

inb4 babachewie realizes he is trying to lick his elbow.

I thought he got bored of trying to troll and gave up and was barely able to move his fingers to type.

You dont even know what a troll is. I havent resorted to even one personal attack. You''re mad cause someones disagrees with you. To bad. 

All I'm reading now is, "u mad, bro?"

Bad form, mongoloid.

Then you might be illiterate

Modifié par babachewie, 23 avril 2012 - 11:53 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Oldbones2 wrote...

Shepards story is not finished.  It just stopped.  Abruptly.  My Shepard would never have accepted the choices laid out before him.  He would have refused.  Even if it meant refusing and the entire Galaxy is reaped again.  That's who he is.

Wow.  Seriously: your Shepard is a douche.  You were doing it wrong.

Oldbones2 wrote...

Literally everyones;

How do Joker and EDI turn out?

In love.

Oldbones2 wrote...

Does Liara ever quit being the Shadow Broker?

Liara's an interesting case because she can go so many ways.  For me her arc was all about her romance with Shepard and the effect it had on Shepard.  I thought her story was way more important than her job.

Oldbones2 wrote...

Does Miranda find her sister again?

Yeah, on Sanctuary, where she finally escapes the shadow of her father.  Arc'd.

Oldbones2 wrote...

Can Ashley ever get home to her family?

No comment (she died in my game).  

Oldbones2 wrote...

Will Garrus FINALLY be recognized as the greatest Turian of his lifetime?

For me, Garrus's arc was his journey from frustrated cop to Spectre Lite.  I liked it.

Oldbones2 wrote...

Will Wrex steer his people onto their proper path?

He died in my ME1, but he went from merc on the run from his dad's henchmen to leader of the krogan people, at the dawn of their return to power.  That's a character arc, man.

Oldbones2 wrote...

Does Jack find the peace she longs for?

Yeah, she becomes a leader of biotic kids, rejecting her violent past to help kids achieve their potential without replicating her own memories of abuse and torture.  That's a pretty triumphant arc right there.

Oldbones2 wrote...
Do the Krogan reform and learn to coexist with the other races?
Do the Salarians capitalize on their incredible luck (not invaded by Reapers and didn't lose much fleet at Earth) to become a superpower?
Can the Geth share Rannoch?
Have the Rachni earned a place among the other races of the galaxy?

These are the matters I think BW wanted us to speculate on.  Of course, they only ended up getting mocked for it, but I see that more as a failing of the audience than of the creators.

I think they took notice of the multi-hundred-page forum paragon vs renegade forum debates and thought it would be better if we thrashed out answers to those questions that fit our own universes, rather than had our correctness spoon fed to us.  Isn't it more interesting to ponder how and whether the post-genophage krogan would fit into a new galactic order, than to have Ron Perlman read us a PowerPoint slide explaining that they became the galaxy's best ballerinas?  Well, not if you're a Herd The Liner, apparently.

Oldbones2 wrote...
I have many, many more if your interested.

Not really, mate.  It's not very interesting to read a list of things that a sci-fi fan can't imagine.  In fact, it's kinda depressing.

[Blodsven]

babachewie wrote...

[http://www.metacriti.../mass-effect-3  Your argument in using MC is invalid.

Yes... and no.

Yes, you have shown a greater spread of the data (using a slightly smaller sample group). I do conceed that my own analysis of the data was too simplistic.

However, the fault I did was the rough assumption that all mixed/negative reviews were negative responses to the ending. However, checking various 9-rated reviews, shows that some of these possitive reviews also disliked the ending. Further, some of the reviews are dated quite early, which raise the question if these persons have managed to finish the game at all.

In short, you have not shown that MC is a joke. However, you have shown that I interpreted the green reviews wrong. If time permits I will go through the 3000+ reviews and update this post with my findings.


STEALTH-EDIT:

Don't bother. I don't care.

Ok, fine by me. I seriously doubt it was possible to make any kind of progression here at all.

I and other posters pointed out that a significant large part, if not a majority of the players found the ending unsatisfactory to put it mildly. You have claimed that this group is a minority. The arguments you have provided have not convinced me that your opinion is right. Meanwhile, you do not accept the statistics I found, thus you refuse to acknowledge the facts that support my claim.

Modifié par Blodsven, 24 avril 2012 - 01:42 .

[Ryoten]

ShepnTali wrote...

 ... if speculation from everyone was the goal.


That, it has achieved in spades.

I dont think this was the kind of speculation they were counting on.  All people are doing is second guessing the intentions of the writers. 

[Ryoten]

Navasha wrote...

Never understood this hatred for speculation.

Mordin, one of the better loved characters, in Mass Effect owes everything he is to speculation.

His entire thought process is about speculating until "theory fits evidence".

But apparently, many people now hate having to "think" about things... just want to be told the story outright.

I don't like speculation.  To me it feels cheap.

[MrFob]

And here we go again

Modifié par MrFob, 24 avril 2012 - 06:34 .

[beyondsolo]

The funny thing about speculation is that when you pay money for a story-driven game, you expect some sort of sensible conclusion to that story. When the lead writer makes you do his job by forcing you to create your own ending through speculation, even though he actually got paid for creating the ending himself, it seems to me that he's kind of failed at his job. Oh, and that's just the customer point of view. Let's not talk about basic rules of story writing again, shall we?

Modifié par beyondsolo, 24 avril 2012 - 06:43 .

[Muhvitus]

Yeah, the problem is that when you play the last 10 minutes, it feels like you went to alternate universe where ME series had different story but is still similar.

[Kalundume]

only now the people not only speculate about the ending of ME3 but also about the overall gaming industry future... financial speculation for EA (their stocks tanking), speculation for future of Bioware (do they have any future after *that* as a story driven games developer?), objectivism speculation for so called "professional game critics" (what is the value of their judgement? so what is the point reading their articles?)

Frankly, the ME3 ending is a real nuclear bomb in the gaming industry, its ramifications will be present probably years after this, and particular story is forgotten.

[babachewie]

Blodsven wrote...

babachewie wrote...

[http://www.metacriti.../mass-effect-3  Your argument in using MC is invalid.

Yes... and no.

Yes, you have shown a greater spread of the data (using a slightly smaller sample group). I do conceed that my own analysis of the data was too simplistic.

However, the fault I did was the rough assumption that all mixed/negative reviews were negative responses to the ending. However, checking various 9-rated reviews, shows that some of these possitive reviews also disliked the ending. Further, some of the reviews are dated quite early, which raise the question if these persons have managed to finish the game at all.

In short, you have not shown that MC is a joke. However, you have shown that I interpreted the green reviews wrong. If time permits I will go through the 3000+ reviews and update this post with my findings.

Don't bother. I don't care. Even if some 9's didnt liked the endng, at least they were honest about how much they loved the game regardess instead of spaming a zero.The didnt let it ruin the whole experience. The PS3 and XBOX 360 ME3 scores have more positive reviews. The PC version is the only one thats in the red. Which doesnt make senses seeing as they are both the same game with the same ending. The 360 version even sold way more copies. if you want an even futher reason why MC is a joke. go read the MW3 reviews and go read about how it still made over a billion dollars and is still one of the most heavly played games out there. ME3 was even getting bombed before it was even released just cause gay people and romances were added. So no I'm not gonna take MC serious. Or at the very least the user reviews section. 

Modifié par babachewie, 24 avril 2012 - 07:54 .