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[Scudman_Alpha]

 phantons can do what they're meant to do (use stealth or just charge at you to get in meele range)

or they can SPAM the palm gun as much as they bloody want and kill anyone with pinpoint accuracy doing massives ammount of damage to anyone and anything withouth stoping (i saw one fire 7 shots at me once,thank god for cover)

they do not need to be nerfed they just need to exercise caution...or if pherhaps they could make it that you don't need to throw 4 powers on them just to have only one hit (sometimes she doesn't even dodge the damn thing it hits them and nothing happens)

[LeandroBraz]

Rhaina wrote...

Phantoms are not overpowered.

this.



 You can easily avoid her shots, if you lock her in some way, or just find cover. The whole idea of the palm shots is to make she deadly if the player is not paying attention. You must deal with the phantom when she show up, that's how she should works. Phantoms are a pain in the ass when you are starting to know the game, in groups and if you let they flank you. When you get used and start to deal with them quickly, shes is definitely not OP...

[ABjerre]

THEEAV3NG3R wrote...
In my opinion, Phantom's in their current state are OP (overpowered) and need to be nerfed in order to balance them.

THEEAV3NG3R wrote...
In my opinion, Phantom's in their current state are OP

THEEAV3NG3R wrote...
my opinion

Phantoms are fine. If you want a completely farmable faction, play against the Geth. Phantoms in their current state are what gives Cerberus an edge.

Edit: I would actually think that Phantoms using cloak offensively, as in moving in under the cover of cloak instead of retreating only, would be an interesting addition to the game. That being said, if they use it to attack, they cant also use it to escape, so long ass cooldown on the ability would be in order.

Modifié par ABjerre, 23 avril 2012 - 05:50 .

[Micah3sixty]

I like my phantoms just as they are. My Justicar with Reave, Talon and bubble don't find them all too difficult. Energy drain also does a number on their barriers.

[Vicious Mello]

I agree that phantoms could use some balancing. The palm gun is just too strong, and it does *not* miss. Ever.

Her insta-kill, like every other insta-kill move, has awful tracking. I have quite literally been several meters away from a phantom only to be forced to sidestep my way back to her for about four seconds and be stabbed in the stomach. Awesome. The suction-cupping needs to stop.

The other real problem with phantoms is that if you are the last person alive on your team, are downed, and want to medi-gel to get back up, phantoms will stand right over your body. As soon as you get up, they will instant-kill you. I'm not expecting them to run to the other side of the map for me, but having a window of either a couple seconds before they attack you or a few meters of space when you get up isn't unreasonable.

[xtorma]

Horrible people on this forum. Makes me wonder if people act like this in real life. The percentage of jerks seems to be much higher here than in my day to day. Most people I meet are respectful no matter how much thier opinion differs from mine.

Strange behaviour.

[A Wild Snorlax]

The thing I hate about the phantoms is when they have that gauntlet barrier thingy up they can absorbe some insane damage. That thing should get nerfed. Fine, they can absorb most biotic powers, cool whatever. However me hitting them in the chest/face with a cloaked black widow shot or a claymore shot or something and only doing a few bars of damage because they are making me talk to the hand so to speak is bull****.

Modifié par A Wild Snorlax, 23 avril 2012 - 05:54 .

[astheoceansblue]

xtorma wrote...

Horrible people on this forum. Makes me wonder if people act like this in real life. The percentage of jerks seems to be much higher here than in my day to day. Most people I meet are respectful no matter how much thier opinion differs from mine.

Strange behaviour.

What?

The OP comes in ands asks for the gameto be toned down because he finds it too difficult for whatever reason. 

HE then tells us the reason is poor team mates.

We tell him how to get better teams mates and he says he can't be bothered, then continues to ask for nerfs.

And you wonder why he gets certain responses?

Drummernate wrote...

Ahhh... the internet badasses saying the cannon isn't OP...

Get a grip.

The thing is more accurate than Nemesis sniper shots, shoots once every .8 seconds, and takes away 1 whole shield gate of health every shot.

If that is not OP, then you must have a Black Widow Saber Claymore XXX... a double cyclonic mod X and full fitness.

Don't say "Oh Krogan Vanguards take 5 shots..." nobody uses them on Gold public, unless they are garbage.

 

There's nothing "badass" about it. The game /is/ easy if you sepc your team right, on any difficulty on any map with any enemy type. The main problem people run into is that in public games hardly anyone cares for real team work, or team build consideration, or anythign but jumping in and blasting away.

And while there's nothing wrong with this, there are two entire modes - Bronze and Silver - that allow causla gamers to crack on with their prefered style.

For those of use who enjoy what challenge there is, having the only mode we play nerfed because a few people can't be bothered to spec their teams well isn't the answer.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 23 avril 2012 - 05:57 .

[Drummernate]

Phantoms being easy to kill =/= not being overpowered.

Look at the Geth heavy melee.

I can kill a whole entire wave of waves 1-2 of Gold in less than 20 seconds. Solo.

Yeah I am weak, but being able to kill everything instantly does not balance that out very well.



The Phantom's can kill an entire team of people in less than 15 seconds too, just from shooting their cannon while people try to revive another guy. (While the Phantom is out of the power lock on range...)

Modifié par Drummernate, 23 avril 2012 - 06:01 .

[xtorma]

astheoceansblue wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Horrible people on this forum. Makes me wonder if people act like this in real life. The percentage of jerks seems to be much higher here than in my day to day. Most people I meet are respectful no matter how much thier opinion differs from mine.

Strange behaviour.

What?

The OP comes in ands asks for the gameto be toned down because he finds it too difficult for whatever reason. 

HE then tells us the reason is poor team mates.

We tell him how to get better teams mates and he says he can't be bothered, then continues to ask for nerfs.

And you wonder why he gets certain responses?

Drummernate wrote...

Ahhh... the internet badasses saying the cannon isn't OP...

Get a grip.

The thing is more accurate than Nemesis sniper shots, shoots once every .8 seconds, and takes away 1 whole shield gate of health every shot.

If that is not OP, then you must have a Black Widow Saber Claymore XXX... a double cyclonic mod X and full fitness.

Don't say "Oh Krogan Vanguards take 5 shots..." nobody uses them on Gold public, unless they are garbage.

 

There's nothing "badass" about it. The game /is/ easy if you sepc your team right, on any difficulty on any map with any enemy type. The main problem people run into is that in public games hardly anyone cares for real team work, or team build consideration, or anythign but jumping in and blasting away.

And while there's nothing wrong with this, there are two entire modes - Bronze and Silver - that allow causla gamers to crack on with their prefered style.

For those of use who enjoy what challenge there is, having the only mode we play nerfed because a few people can't be bothered to spec their teams well isn't the answer.

I know full well why people do it. There are no repercussions. You don't have to be a mixed martial artist on the interwebs, in order to treat folks like crap. I get it, i just find it strange.

[Maylson]

Phantoms are really squishy, and balanced. They are mini bosses like Geth Pyros and Ravagers, except you can stasis them, making them useless if targetted quickly. Now let a Phantom move freely shooting while approaching your team to kill them with their sword. You shouldn't have let them do that. You don't let Pyros get close to your team. You don't ignore Ravagers while they are destroying your team from the other side of the map. This is how a Phantom works, get them quickly, stasis them if possible, focus fire in it. They go down really quickly.

[astheoceansblue]

xtorma wrote...


I know full well why people do it. There are no repercussions. You don't have to be a mixed martial artist on the interwebs, in order to treat folks like crap. I get it, i just find it strange.

Sorry, but if you're going to ignore all good advice and simply respond with "Na, I'm too casual to bother finding a good team, so please nerf the game for EVERYone so I can team up with bad players and win on the hardest difficulty!", then people are going to be rightly irritated.

Stop white knighting for no good reason.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 23 avril 2012 - 06:03 .

[Bob Garbage]

I can't help but feel like people who want to nerf the game are the people I see running around in silver dying all the time cause they haven't figured out how to take cover.

[Cette]

While sometimes the palm cannon does feel like a bit much I find it better to take a more philosophical approach to the problem.

www.youtube.com/watch

Please note this analogy works better if one imagines that the bear has freakin lazer beams.

Modifié par Cette, 23 avril 2012 - 06:08 .

[Drummernate]

What if nobody wants to be the lame Asari?...

Screw Stasis, it is for people who can't hit moving targets.

[A Wild Snorlax]

Air Quotes wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

The thing I hate about the phantoms is when they have that gauntlet barrier thingy up they can absorbe some insane damage. That thing should get nerfed. Fine, they can absorb most biotic powers, cool whatever. However me hitting them in the chest/face with a cloaked black widow shot or a claymore shot or something and only doing a few bars of damage because they are making me talk to the hand so to speak is bull****.

The gauntlet even absorbs grenade damage, which is ridicilous. 

That's why I use the falcon on my drell when playing cerberus. I can reave the phantom, but if I don't stagger them and make them drop the barrier gauntlet before hitting them in the face with a cluster grenade, the grenade will pretty much do no damage at all, even if I hit them with all the shrapnel i won't even get their barrier down.

If I can make them drop their barrier however, they go flying.

The barrier gauntlet is ridiculous. I'm fine with the palm canon but when you have insane damage absorption on top of it it's kind of ridiculous.

By the way this is not me saying phantoms are hard to kill, they are easy enough, for certain classes. But that 80% damage reduction or whatever is retarded.

The guys saying phantoms are squishy must be using overload or stasis bubble. because with that barrier up they can sponge more damage than 2 pyros.

Modifié par A Wild Snorlax, 23 avril 2012 - 06:10 .

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

It's a team game. Take her on as a team (if there isn't an asari adept to do it on their own) and phantoms become trivial, even on gold. Don't work as a team and you all get punished for it.

Phantoms also have a very loud breathing sound. They're easily heard and located. If you still find them difficult even when they give their positions away so easily then play on bronze or something.

Either way, they're not overpowered. End of story.

[Drummernate]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

By the way this is not me saying phantoms are hard to kill, they are easy enough, for certain classes. But that 80% damage reduction or whatever is retarded.

Yep.

Saber V pierce + barrel headshot with a Turian Soldier spec'd for mega headshot damage will only do 2 bars of damage if they are using that.

[Bob Garbage]

I've been recently playing my Geth Engineer and that dude + hunter mode + overload + GPR 5 = phantoms die all day long

[Wesus]

3 shots black widow, they run in à straight line, stand still when you deplete their barrier granting you à free kill.

[AcadiaPaul]

Drummernate wrote...

What if nobody wants to be the lame Asari?...

Screw Stasis, it is for people who can't hit moving targets.

I happen to love the lame Asari.  And stasis is more about  not liking enemies who shoot back. 

[A Wild Snorlax]

Drummernate wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

By the way this is not me saying phantoms are hard to kill, they are easy enough, for certain classes. But that 80% damage reduction or whatever is retarded.

Yep.

Saber V pierce + barrel headshot with a Turian Soldier spec'd for mega headshot damage will only do 2 bars of damage if they are using that.

If I hit them with a claymore headshot from point blank while they're moving around I'll be lucky to take down their barriers. If I wait for them to go into cover and drop the gauntlet it's a guaranteed one shot. Seems pretty dumb to have that stupid damage reduction in addition to the palm canon. Sometimes a point blank claymore shot won't even stagger them which is even more stupid.

[AcadiaPaul]

PluralAces wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...

I second this. Remove their melee abilities aswell, and in fact, the palm gun entirely. Oh and don't let them cloak anymore.

And reduce movement speed too whilst we're at it.

LOL.... so you basically want the Phantom to be like a civilian who is casually walking around the map? lol

Better yet, replace my teammaes with 3 Phantoms