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Some things you need to know at this time about the Extended Cut (Updated 4/23/12).


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 I'd like people for just a moment, just one, to sit back and think about the implications about what we have here. Truly. Sit back and take it in. We have the largest outcry over anything in video game history, something that has never been seen before something that is........entirely new in some context but that still very much falls into something that is regulated by standard business practices.

The extended cut whether you believe me or not is a concession, a silent apology that has been issued. I'll adress my thoughts on the matter and what is happening at the offices right now base purely upon what I know about the situation.

The Staff.

I know that in some capacity the higher ups on the ME3 has either verbally or at least thought to themselves. "How the **** are we going to remedy this?" To believe that the ME3 staff and Bioware are a bunch of mustache twirling villains a la Dudley Do Right (Problem Canadians?) is just ridiculous. To believe that they have no feelings and no concept about what is going on is ludicrous. Hudson, Gamble, and Walters made a big mistake and I mean a BIG one. It is impossible to believe that they are now aware of what is going on and that they do not understand the implications of what is going on.

Casey Hudson

Mr. Hudson is part of the reason we're here, the reason we're all so upset but not in the capacity you'd expect. He helped create the universe we love so much and unfortunately the one at the helm when it crashed against the rocks. Unlike a film director, Mr Hudson cannot simply make a new film and move on. The debacle that surrounds the Mass Effect 3 endings is enormous. It isn't something that people forget like a bad two hour film. Hundreds upon hundreds of hours have been ruined for thousands of people including myself. This is something is going to hang over him for the rest of his career. I make no claim to understanding in what capacity it will affect him but the implications are........unpleasent when thinking about it in a film sense. Mr. Hudson cannot come out and say directly that the ending upset a majority of fans as that would make sales drop even further and would not please the EA board very much. Mr. Hudson is going to be involved in some capacity in the EC as confirmed by Mr.Gamble on Twitter. Without Casey, Mass Effect would be quite a different affair. I'm not asking you to trust him but I am asking you to realize that he is human and he makes mistakes (a big one, in this case).

I won't lie though. I've been seriously hurt by this debacle and I believe that my trust has to be earned back, but in the mean time I believe that it is only appropriate to give the Bioware staff the respect they deserve, simply because they reserve that right as human beings. You don't have to like them or what they're doing but you have to give them everything that is reserved by being a human being. I've seen some apalling things said about the staff here and it's inappropriate. I'm not pleased with Mr. Hudson and the moment and I don't really trust him either but I do believe that he certainly has the capacity to fix this in some capacity.

Don't believe the hype: What Bioware hasn't told you.

This is one of the only things that still leaves me in awe. Everything that is said by Bioware at this time is considered a lie and is discarded like trash. It puzzles me however that a great majority of the community believes what was in the Extended Cut announcement is Gospel and takes it as an absolute truth. Here's the secret guys: Bioware is in pre-production, they are still writing scripts, dialouge, and are storyboarding things. It would a ludicrous business practice for Bioware to gung ho into the trench without planning (Just like a film!). They are literally sitting around a large table and are asking each other how they are going to fix this. They need time to allocate resources and here's why: When you want to be given money for a project of this capacity you need to have something to show for it, something that proves the investment will be worth it (remember that there won't be any returns until 2014). You need to have a concrete plan as to what you're doing before people give you money to do something and no sane money holder when give Bioware the money to do so if they had a half-ass product. It doesn't work that way in the film world and it most certainly won't work in the game world, where the implications of failure are far, far more unpleasent.

What can I expect?

A quality product. Plain and simple. Unfortunately I do not know in what capacity and this is where the lack of being into production comes into play. Bioware cannot announce features that they will not have twice (remember how well it went the first time?). Given time I expect small bits of information to trickle down from the offices, things like voice actors returning and revised gameplay (Starchild encounter for example). 

From what I expect will happen in some capacity from a business standpoint:

An change to the endings that doesn't change the endings.

What do I mean by this? I expect a clearer representation of what the hell I'm going to do with whatever ending I choose. Yes, the endings will be the same but they won't all end with very small aesthetic differences like before (Did Bioware think I wouldn't notice?).  What we'll see added footage in this regard.

A more palatable ending for Shepard.

A viable safety net for Bioware is what I would call a "moment" of hapiness for Shepard (mind you you're picking the destory ending here) where Shepard reunites with the crew and his LI in some capacity. This is a safe economic choice simply because it would relieve quite a bit of the fanbase and it's marketable

A more palatable ending for the Universe

The "speculations" that we have been left with now are.........unpleasent. They don't leave much room for hope in a literal interpretation. The Mass Relays exploding was proven to destory an entire system in Arrival and Bioware has seemingly forgotten that in the development of Mass Effect 3. In this capacity you will see a retcon of sorts, a fix to prevent more damaging inference. We'll probably see travel re-instated in some capacity as galactic society cannot survive in the state it's in with everyone stranded in the Sol System. It doesn't make logical sense to leave everyone in the Sol System without some sort of aid in some capacity. I don't know if the Relays are going to re-built but I don't believe that Bioware will let everyone starve.

Throwing out a net. The Economic Ramifications.

What the extended cut is going to be from a business standpoint is a large capture net of sorts. By stiching together a net made of fan concerns Bioware will be able to hopefully create a new large enough that they can bring back as many fans as possible. This would not be possible with a text epilouge or just a few cutscenes. In four or five months time a feature film can be shot and editied (with the right talent) and be ready to ship out to theaters. Without the proper amount of effort Bioware will lose a large part of the hardcore fanbase and the guaranteed sales. It is not a viable economic option to spend four or five months of your life and thousands upon thousands upong thousands of dollars to create some sort of half-assed product. It wouldn't be smart and both EA and Bioware know this. It's a simple idea to comprehend when it's though about, for the simple reason that a product that is of poor quality will not encourage more sales and further DLC purchases. It wouldn't be smart and it isn't a viable marketable practice to do.

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The Cuts

I was not surprised to see the information leaking out that material had been cut from the battle on Earth and and would like to take this time to share my thoughts on the matter. In development certain schedules have to be maintained. Certain things need to be done at a certain date. Sometimes things that have been planned or even shot do not have time to come into play in the final product. This is not a development oversight. This is the unfortunate reality of studio production. Thankfully given what we I seen I do not believe that it is unreasonable to believe that we won't see something of this capacity restored in the Extended Cut. Why? Because things like this have been done before in my work field. A good example is the oft mentioned Blade Runner. Ridley Scott shot a scence involving a unicorn that would have relevance to the plot but it was cut out by the studio. In his director's and Final Cut the scene is present and adds a great deal of power to the film. This simple change has a great effect upon the film and furthers my belief that the inclusion of footage can only add to what we're going to see.

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I have to disagree:

From where I sit, the extended cut is far from an appology: it's a stalling tactic. It's doubling down on the rubbish which currently exists without fixing the core problems. This is like painting over a crack in the hull of your space shuttle: it'll look nice for a while, but it will come right back arround to cause more damage than the original problem did. And you can bet whatever vital orgin you choose that the only reason it isn't being charged for is because they'd have people wanting to drink an EA executive's blood by the time that announcement went out.

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LucasShark wrote...

I have to disagree:

From where I sit, the extended cut is far from an appology: it's a stalling tactic. It's doubling down on the rubbish which currently exists without fixing the core problems. This is like painting over a crack in the hull of your space shuttle: it'll look nice for a while, but it will come right back arround to cause more damage than the original problem did. And you can bet whatever vital orgin you choose that the only reason it isn't being charged for is because they'd have people wanting to drink an EA executive's blood by the time that announcement went out.


No one knows because NEWFLASH it isn't out yet. All of the absolutes being made about the EC is ridiculous because we don't know what they are doing. Speculation is fine, great even! But stop with the "They are" or "They are not". WE DO NOT KNOW. They are playing it very close to the chest.

We will know when summer rolls around and we are all in better moods because school is out, and/or its beach time. Bioware is sneaky. Appealing to our surrounding situations. :P

Modifié par Makrys, 23 avril 2012 - 06:57 .


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The most impressive part about this is how you clearly have firsthand knowledge of what's happening inside BioWare. That is totally awesome. Reading your post is almost like being present in the room with the devs.

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Makrys wrote...

No one knows because NEWFLASH it isn't out yet. All of the absolutes being made about the EC is ridiculous because we don't know what they are doing. Speculation is fine, great even! But stop with the "They are" or "They are not". WE DO NOT KNOW. They are playing it very close to the chest.

We will know when summer rolls around and we are all in better moods because school is out, and/or its beach time. Bioware is sneaky. Appealing to our surrounding situations. :P


^this

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Makrys wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

I have to disagree:

From where I sit, the extended cut is far from an appology: it's a stalling tactic. It's doubling down on the rubbish which currently exists without fixing the core problems. This is like painting over a crack in the hull of your space shuttle: it'll look nice for a while, but it will come right back arround to cause more damage than the original problem did. And you can bet whatever vital orgin you choose that the only reason it isn't being charged for is because they'd have people wanting to drink an EA executive's blood by the time that announcement went out.


No one knows because NEWFLASH it isn't out yet. All of the absolutes being made about the EC is ridiculous because we don't know what they are doing. Speculation is fine, great even! But stop with the "They are" or "They are not". WE DO NOT KNOW. They are playing it very close to the chest.

We will know when summer rolls around and we are all in better moods because school is out, and/or its beach time. Bioware is sneaky. Appealing to our surrounding situations. :P


Oh please: you think they care about how you feel?  Bioware/EA have already demonstrated the existing fanbase's mental well being is hardly their concern: it took them over 3 weeks to admit the people upset with the ending were more than 5 "entitled" nerds in basements.  They actively silenced writers, rigged review sites, and called in every media favour I can think of.

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Taboo-XX wrote...
We have the largest outcry over anything in video game history,

Blizzard Real ID.

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LOCKDOWN!

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Darth Wraith wrote...

The most impressive part about this is how you clearly have firsthand knowledge of what's happening inside BioWare. That is totally awesome. Reading your post is almost like being present in the room with the devs.


All I had to do was read a post by Michael Gamble. A relatively easy way to make an inference.

Oh and about the Blizzard ID.......that I wasn't aware of.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

They need time to allocate resources and here's why: When you want to be given money for a project of this capacity you need to have something to show for it, something that proves the investment will be worth it (remember that there won't be any returns until 2014).


What returns are you talking about?

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More than likely, OP.

People don't understand that the PR release about the "extended cut" addresses the issue without addressing the issue. It had to be this way lest the public perception of the game go further into the toilet.

If they admitted, "yes, most people hate our ending and we messed up. We'll fix it" then the value of the game drops even more because BioWare admitted they messed up.

By saying that some fans were upset and they're adding to it, it makes them look good in the public eye, while saving face for their game.

We'll have to wait and see how the Extended Cut shapes up, but I think there's truth/value to what the OP says.

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Alyka wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

They need time to allocate resources and here's why: When you want to be given money for a project of this capacity you need to have something to show for it, something that proves the investment will be worth it (remember that there won't be any returns until 2014).


What returns are you talking about?


Financial returns.  Meaning they won't make any money off this extended cut until 2014 (if at all). 

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It won't be perfect and that pains me. But a bandaged wound is far, far better than an open festering sore.

Ugh.

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LucasShark wrote...

Makrys wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

I have to disagree:

From where I sit, the extended cut is far from an appology: it's a stalling tactic. It's doubling down on the rubbish which currently exists without fixing the core problems. This is like painting over a crack in the hull of your space shuttle: it'll look nice for a while, but it will come right back arround to cause more damage than the original problem did. And you can bet whatever vital orgin you choose that the only reason it isn't being charged for is because they'd have people wanting to drink an EA executive's blood by the time that announcement went out.


No one knows because NEWFLASH it isn't out yet. All of the absolutes being made about the EC is ridiculous because we don't know what they are doing. Speculation is fine, great even! But stop with the "They are" or "They are not". WE DO NOT KNOW. They are playing it very close to the chest.

We will know when summer rolls around and we are all in better moods because school is out, and/or its beach time. Bioware is sneaky. Appealing to our surrounding situations. :P


Oh please: you think they care about how you feel?  Bioware/EA have already demonstrated the existing fanbase's mental well being is hardly their concern: it took them over 3 weeks to admit the people upset with the ending were more than 5 "entitled" nerds in basements.  They actively silenced writers, rigged review sites, and called in every media favour I can think of.


YES. Actually I DO think they care. You know why? Because they have cared since the beginning. The changes made to ME2, those were asked for by the FANS. The better combat, simpler inventory (though they scrapped it entirely which I was fine with), and more focus on relationships, ALL were met in ME2. Then people wanted more of the RPG elements in ME3. Bioware delivered with a good mix between the first and second game. People also wanted more guns and customization options... so, Bioware put in gun modding as well as numerous weapons. Bioware has also listened to the fans regarding their DLC. Many people wanted to see a DLC for Liara in ME2 considering her character got a short end of the stick, and had no opportunity to continue a romance with Shepard. Bioware listened and followed suit with the best DLC I have ever played to date. 

There are numerous other occasions, but for sake of time, and my fingers burning because of how fast I am typing this, I will end there. Bioware has been known listening to their fans and taking their input. To somehow suggest that all of the sudden now they simply don't care, is both ludicrous and pathetic. If they didn't care they wouldn't even bother with an ending DLC. Maybe it was planned from the beginning, maybe it wasn't. But the fact is they ARE doing it for the fans. So please, take your pessimistic view somewhere else. Bioware has always tried to listen to their fanbase. I have not lost faith in them yet, even though the ME3 endning was absolutely atrocious. I trust they have some sort of plan in all of this. If not, then my opinion of them will greatly change. But until then I will CHOOSE to hold on to hope. Like Shepard.

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MattFini wrote...

More than likely, OP.

People don't understand that the PR release about the "extended cut" addresses the issue without addressing the issue. It had to be this way lest the public perception of the game go further into the toilet.

If they admitted, "yes, most people hate our ending and we messed up. We'll fix it" then the value of the game drops even more because BioWare admitted they messed up.

By saying that some fans were upset and they're adding to it, it makes them look good in the public eye, while saving face for their game.

We'll have to wait and see how the Extended Cut shapes up, but I think there's truth/value to what the OP says.


As moviebob of the escapist put it: "Ass covered, job secure"

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MattFini wrote...

Alyka wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

They need time to allocate resources and here's why: When you want to be given money for a project of this capacity you need to have something to show for it, something that proves the investment will be worth it (remember that there won't be any returns until 2014).


What returns are you talking about?


Financial returns.  Meaning they won't make any money off this extended cut until 2014 (if at all). 

And by making money off the EC you mean selling more copies of ME3, in turn.
At least thats what I was thinking before I asked the OP. But I had to ask because you never know. OP could've meant something else.

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Makrys wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Makrys wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

I have to disagree:

From where I sit, the extended cut is far from an appology: it's a stalling tactic. It's doubling down on the rubbish which currently exists without fixing the core problems. This is like painting over a crack in the hull of your space shuttle: it'll look nice for a while, but it will come right back arround to cause more damage than the original problem did. And you can bet whatever vital orgin you choose that the only reason it isn't being charged for is because they'd have people wanting to drink an EA executive's blood by the time that announcement went out.


No one knows because NEWFLASH it isn't out yet. All of the absolutes being made about the EC is ridiculous because we don't know what they are doing. Speculation is fine, great even! But stop with the "They are" or "They are not". WE DO NOT KNOW. They are playing it very close to the chest.

We will know when summer rolls around and we are all in better moods because school is out, and/or its beach time. Bioware is sneaky. Appealing to our surrounding situations. :P


Oh please: you think they care about how you feel?  Bioware/EA have already demonstrated the existing fanbase's mental well being is hardly their concern: it took them over 3 weeks to admit the people upset with the ending were more than 5 "entitled" nerds in basements.  They actively silenced writers, rigged review sites, and called in every media favour I can think of.


YES. Actually I DO think they care. You know why? Because they have cared since the beginning. The changes made to ME2, those were asked for by the FANS. The better combat, simpler inventory (though they scrapped it entirely which I was fine with), and more focus on relationships, ALL were met in ME2. Then people wanted more of the RPG elements in ME3. Bioware delivered with a good mix between the first and second game. People also wanted more guns and customization options... so, Bioware put in gun modding as well as numerous weapons. Bioware has also listened to the fans regarding their DLC. Many people wanted to see a DLC for Liara in ME2 considering her character got a short end of the stick, and had no opportunity to continue a romance with Shepard. Bioware listened and followed suit with the best DLC I have ever played to date. 

There are numerous other occasions, but for sake of time, and my fingers burning because of how fast I am typing this, I will end there. Bioware has been known listening to their fans and taking their input. To somehow suggest that all of the sudden now they simply don't care, is both ludicrous and pathetic. If they didn't care they wouldn't even bother with an ending DLC. Maybe it was planned from the beginning, maybe it wasn't. But the fact is they ARE doing it for the fans. So please, take your pessimistic view somewhere else. Bioware has always tried to listen to their fanbase. I have not lost faith in them yet, even though the ME3 endning was absolutely atrocious. I trust they have some sort of plan in all of this. If not, then my opinion of them will greatly change. But until then I will CHOOSE to hold on to hope. Like Shepard.


Well said. 

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I do not believe that Casey Hudson has resemblance to Snidely Whiplash. Why do I think they care? Because someone who didn't wouldn't take four or five months to make something for you and not charge you for it.

Goodness.

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LucasShark wrote...

MattFini wrote...

More than likely, OP.

People don't understand that the PR release about the "extended cut" addresses the issue without addressing the issue. It had to be this way lest the public perception of the game go further into the toilet.

If they admitted, "yes, most people hate our ending and we messed up. We'll fix it" then the value of the game drops even more because BioWare admitted they messed up.

By saying that some fans were upset and they're adding to it, it makes them look good in the public eye, while saving face for their game.

We'll have to wait and see how the Extended Cut shapes up, but I think there's truth/value to what the OP says.


As moviebob of the escapist put it: "Ass covered, job secure"


Unfortunately, a lot of their reaction has to be PR-motivated.  

But I don't think that necessarily translates into "Nobody at BioWare gives a damn."

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MattFini wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

MattFini wrote...

More than likely, OP.

People don't understand that the PR release about the "extended cut" addresses the issue without addressing the issue. It had to be this way lest the public perception of the game go further into the toilet.

If they admitted, "yes, most people hate our ending and we messed up. We'll fix it" then the value of the game drops even more because BioWare admitted they messed up.

By saying that some fans were upset and they're adding to it, it makes them look good in the public eye, while saving face for their game.

We'll have to wait and see how the Extended Cut shapes up, but I think there's truth/value to what the OP says.


As moviebob of the escapist put it: "Ass covered, job secure"


Unfortunately, a lot of their reaction has to be PR-motivated.  

But I don't think that necessarily translates into "Nobody at BioWare gives a damn."


People take silence as an affront. Unfortunately if you have had any part in the development of anything (film, game or otherwise) the biggest **** you do deal with is the endless waiting. Oh, God the waiting.......

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Alyka wrote...

MattFini wrote...

Alyka wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

They need time to allocate resources and here's why: When you want to be given money for a project of this capacity you need to have something to show for it, something that proves the investment will be worth it (remember that there won't be any returns until 2014).


What returns are you talking about?


Financial returns.  Meaning they won't make any money off this extended cut until 2014 (if at all). 

And by making money off the EC you mean selling more copies of ME3, in turn.
At least thats what I was thinking before I asked the OP. But I had to ask because you never know. OP could've meant something else.


I think what OP means that the EC is a free product that will be a financial loss but will hopefully retain fans that would otherwise be lost.  These fans will then be back on board to buy the next big bioware game, but those benefits won't be seen until that game comes out.

Anyhow, OP, good post.  Logical and optimistic.  Hope you're right... believe it when I see it.

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Pessimistic speculators.. must *deep breath* see the extended cut to make conclusions.

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MattFini wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

MattFini wrote...

More than likely, OP.

People don't understand that the PR release about the "extended cut" addresses the issue without addressing the issue. It had to be this way lest the public perception of the game go further into the toilet.

If they admitted, "yes, most people hate our ending and we messed up. We'll fix it" then the value of the game drops even more because BioWare admitted they messed up.

By saying that some fans were upset and they're adding to it, it makes them look good in the public eye, while saving face for their game.

We'll have to wait and see how the Extended Cut shapes up, but I think there's truth/value to what the OP says.


As moviebob of the escapist put it: "Ass covered, job secure"


Unfortunately, a lot of their reaction has to be PR-motivated.  

But I don't think that necessarily translates into "Nobody at BioWare gives a damn."


Okay conceeded: Not everyone at bioware doesn't care, what I mean is that the people holding the purse strings and making the PR decisions don't really care.  Or at least they won't: until Dragonage 3 bombs into the gutter and burns.  Then it effects what they care about: thir money.

And how bad could it honestly be to say "okay, we let our quality team slip a bit, our bad".  Every PR spin move only serves to stoke discontent, not quell it.

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What would be really cool is if Mr.Gamble would drop a hint. I don't know how to use Twitter properly though.

And to clarify, they aren't going to simply use this as an excuse to explain their art to you. That's impossible even where I come from as art is ALWAYS subjective.

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Makrys wrote...
No one knows because NEWFLASH it isn't out yet. All of the absolutes being made about the EC is ridiculous because we don't know what they are doing. Speculation is fine, great even! But stop with the "They are" or "They are not". WE DO NOT KNOW. They are playing it very close to the chest.

We will know when summer rolls around and we are all in better moods because school is out, and/or its beach time. Bioware is sneaky. Appealing to our surrounding situations. :P


Yes, very true.

Right now we can only infer what they may end up with. But the OP is correct about one thing, because the DLC is still in mid production it is still possible to make changes to the final product. However once that DLC is realeased there won't be any more changes. And the liklihood of other changes down the line become slimmer as well.

Therefore, regardless of what they might or might not do in the end, now it the time to very clearly state what we want from them. We want some significant changes to how the story ends, We don't want clarification and expansion of the same ending that we all hate. We want the starkid gone entirely. etc. etc. Regardless of what they might actually end up doing with this, regardless of whether someone at bioware has read this already, right now is the time we need to drive this point home and make it as loud and as clear as possible so they don't end up dropping the ball a second time.