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[nocbl2]

I just wish I could be a Spectre and using my epic powers of judgement shoot Chobot in the face.

[HiddenKING]

Vormaerin wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

The biggest problem with having Chobot in the game was that it took you out of the ME universe.

Just like Martin Sheen and Jillian Murray does. 

The way he says "youmans" and "youmanatee" really ruin it for me. 

[frustratemyself]

Emily Wong was killed on twitter?

[BiancoAngelo7]

Vormaerin wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

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Ok so you're telling me two things with your post:

1) Tali time travelled back from the future from 3-4 years from now to give you a picture she took of her on Rannoch

and

2) Emily Wong's death was "well written, gripping, and emotionally effective" by being written by the "wonderful" Jessica Merizan on TWITTER???

Your first point is just ludicrous, I shouldn't have to explain to you why.

To try and tell me or anyone else that I have to follow a PR employee on fu**ing Twitter to know what's going on in the game is in the best case disingenuous, and in the worst case insulting.

Quarian immune systems are not so bad that they instantly die upon exposure.  A few minutes to take a photo would probably be fine.   Not to mention they do have sterile environments in the ship.  Use her status to commandeer a clean room for five minutes to snap a pic....   I bet that really caused the entire cosmos to implode on itself...  

And you don't have to follow twitter to know what's going on in game.   Emily Wong's death is entirely irrelevant to anything *in the game*.   Twitter, the Datapad app, the books, the comics, etc are all sources of additional, OPTIONAL mass effect content.

I also don't get the impression you know what disingenuous actually means.   There use of twitter does not indicate a lack or candor or sincerity, nor does it involve someone pretending they know less than they really do to deceive you.  

I can't even imagine how you could possibly feel insulted because someone posted a bit of non plot related trivia somewhere you don't happen to frequent.  I hope you read books, because otherwise you must be in a blood feud with Bioware by now.

You and a few others are missing the point, it is a very simple and a very important one. It is a point that you have no defense against, because there is none.

I have read all the Mass Effect books, I have read all the Mass Effect Comics, I read all the Mass Effect "news" that was updated with ME2.

I did not read anything on Twitter.

You know why?

Twitter is NOT Mass Effect.

All those other products are consumable entertainment where you are immersed into the world of Mass Effect because that is what they are built and made for. You KNOW you are reading about Mass Effect when you pick up a book or a comic about it because that's what that media is made for.

When I log on to Twitter (if ever) I do NOT expect to see anything happen there that is related to the game universe. You know why? Because it is completely, utterly, 100% a break of immersion and story and character.

Would you tell a part of the Mass Effect story on facebook? No, becsause the next thing they write right after that could be "Hey dont forget to join in on xyz multiplayer event it's gonna be awsum sauce omg lolzorz!!!:lol::happy:"

Would you tell a part of the story in a tv commercial? No. Because the next thing you see might be a commercial for Soap or a bad rerun of LOST.

Would you tell a part of the story on a billboard on the side of the street? No. Because you are severly limiting your audience to only those who see the billboard (twitter) and the next billboard may be about some fast food joint (again...Twitter).

If you don't get the point I was trying to make by now then you are just simply biased. Twitter is NOT an acceptable media for the telling of ANY portion of the Mass Effect story, not even if it's to tell me something about a minor character like Emily Wong. It limits the telling of that particular portion of the story to an extremely limited number of people, you cannot blame me for missing it as I have purchased all official Mass Effect story content, and it is a media designed for limited, brief and casual communication between REAL PEOPLE or other entities, not for the delivery of Mass Effect story.

As for you thinking I don't understand what disingenuous means, I won't bother, because you either didn't understand the context of what I was saying when I used that word or are just grasping for any thinly veiled insult you can make to support your faulty argument.

But hey, you're right, I'm wrong. I'm sorry. I look forward to following fu**ing Twitter to find out what happened to Captain Bailey after the end of Me3 and following fu**ing Facebook to find out if Liara ever meets her surviving parent.

Totally excited.

Artistic integrity and all that. Cheers.

Modifié par BiancoAngelo7, 24 avril 2012 - 04:08 .

[spirosz]

They also took a photo shop of the scene after the credits, even the latest advertisement - "blah blah, controversial ending" <- that one had a photo shopped picture as well. As others have stated, it's about the art!

[Kaelef]

Vormaerin wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

The biggest problem with having Chobot in the game was that it took you out of the ME universe.

Just like Martin Sheen and Jillian Murray does. 

Less of an issue, as it's only their voices and not their entire bodies, but that's true.  Michael "Worf" Dorn ruined several scenes for me in ME2 as I find his voice really irritating.

The only other voice that was abvious to me was Michael Hogan as Bailey, but I don't mind his voice, so that was okay.  I'm actually surprised that I didn't really connect EDI's voice with Tricia Helfer at all, even after I finally realized it was her.

[Vormaerin]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...



You and a few others are missing the point, it is a very simple and a very important one. It is a point that you have no defense against, because there is none.


Twitter is NOT Mass Effect.

So your point is you have a hate for social media, which happens to be a very important gaming and advertising platform whether you like it not.

Your argument is specious.   I didn't read any of the books or comic books, because they aren't Mass Effect.  Why?  Because Mass Effect is a VIDEO GAME, not a book or a movie or an anime.   That assertion makes as much sense as yours  (ie pretty close to none).

Sorry you didn't like one of their community building exercises.   That's what it was, after all.  An attempt to reward those fans who follow ME on social media with an interesting, if trivial, development.  

The other interesting thing is... I don't have a twitter account, but I knew what had happened.  Because transcripts showed up here and in the wiki.  So you don't even have to follow twitter if you don't want to.

[Vormaerin]

Kaelef wrote...

Less of an issue, as it's only their voices and not their entire bodies, but that's true.  Michael "Worf" Dorn ruined several scenes for me in ME2 as I find his voice really irritating.

Martin Sheen is the voice actor and model for TIM.   Jillian Murray is the model for Liara, but not her voice actress.

There's quite a few characters in the game that are modeled on real people the same way Diana Allers was.  So its obviously not the principle of body modelling that bothers you.

[acrb101]

It wasn't immersion breaking; Its updates from the Alliance News Network that were directly from Wong, and short and concise because she was writing it as it happened. I don't think that breaks immersion, I think it was a clever use of a social media network tossed into the Mass Effect world by naming it the ANN.

Vormaerin wrote...

There's quite a few characters in the game that are modeled on real people the same way Diana Allers was.  So its obviously not the principle of body modelling that bothers you.

I think if Chobot voiced her with a little more emotion, and she was used more within the story, a lot more people would accept it and maybe even like it! Its not the princible of who it is, just that it didn't fit well. Since it didn't fit well,  everyone is attacking who it is. 

Modifié par acrb101, 24 avril 2012 - 04:29 .

[Gold Dragon]

Geth/Quarian War Assets after 3rd interview, Turian/Krogan War Assets during first, and similar options during the other interview puts the total War Assets from Allers into the 20-30 point range (I lost count), so the addition of Allers is more than her base points would tell.

Just as there are more points to Al-Jilani than are first apparent.


Just Saying!

[KevTheGamer]

I was wondering what happened to Emily. Bad move Bioware bad move indeed. I don't understand how they did such an awesome job on both ME 1 and 2 only have massive fail after massive fail on mass effect 3. Its a fun game but they took away too many things that made the game interesting. Like the story of the keepers. There is no closure there. I hear many say they were the original enslaved race by the Reapers but in the game nothing of this was made fact. I am also mad that I could not take Emily Wong onto the Normandy! She was my favorite NPC by far and if anything they should have taken out the other reporter that just gets punched around. Screw her!

[Vormaerin]

acrb101 wrote...

I think if Chobot voiced her with a little more emotion, and she was used more within the story, a lot more people would accept it and maybe even like it! Its not the princible of who it is, just that it didn't fit well. Since it didn't fit well,  everyone is attacking who it is. 

Exactly.  Its a good idea done poorly.   Emily Wong would have been a disaster with the lines that were given to Diana Allers, though her voice actress would probably have been better.  It would still be a good idea done poorly.

[ZackG312]

Kaelef wrote...

Vormaerin wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

The biggest problem with having Chobot in the game was that it took you out of the ME universe.

Just like Martin Sheen and Jillian Murray does. 

Less of an issue, as it's only their voices and not their entire bodies, but that's true.  Michael "Worf" Dorn ruined several scenes for me in ME2 as I find his voice really irritating.

The only other voice that was abvious to me was Michael Hogan as Bailey, but I don't mind his voice, so that was okay.  I'm actually surprised that I didn't really connect EDI's voice with Tricia Helfer at all, even after I finally realized it was her.

Martin Sheen is talented
Chobot on the other hand is terrible that it sound like she is only reading something and not acting

Modifié par ZackG312, 24 avril 2012 - 04:51 .

[The Spamming Troll]

yeah, did someone just compare martin sheen to jessica chobot????

seriously.

[Deepo78]

 
Even if you ignore her presence being a red flag on the state of entertainment journalism or the face her texture and modeling embodies the very notion of the "Uncanny Valley". Diana Allers is still a pretty shrill annoying non-character who exists only to provide a tiny bump in assets and to bed the most desperate incarnation of Shepard who has failed to drum up a romance with any other character. 

[Kaelef]

Vormaerin wrote...

There's quite a few characters in the game that are modeled on real people the same way Diana Allers was.  So its obviously not the principle of body modelling that bothers you.

As far as I can tell, other than TIM, Diana was the only other character that looked enough like a recognizable celebrity to be distracting (and TIM only looks vaguely like a younger Sheen).  It's the combination of this with her bad acting and the knowledge that she's primarily an IGN personality that broke my immersion severely. 

So you're right - it's not the principle of body (or, more importantly, face) modelling that I had an issue with.

Modifié par Kaelef, 24 avril 2012 - 05:09 .

[Vormaerin]

No, no one compared them. The idea that modeling a fictional character on a real character is immersion breaking was attacked using Martin Sheen, since he was the most obvious of the many human models in the game.

Its not any different than people complaining that can't look at Elrond without seeing Agent Smith.

Bioware didn't make a very good model for Allers and gave her generally weak lines, which Chobot compounded by not being a very good voice actress.

But all this other BS about 'using real people takes me out of the game' and whatnot are nonsense.

[Kaelef]

Vormaerin wrote...

But all this other BS about 'using real people takes me out of the game' and whatnot are nonsense.

I don't claim to speak for anyone else, but it's certainly not nonsense for me.

[Vormaerin]

Diana Allers barely resembles Jessica Chobot. TIM is way more Martin Sheen than Allers is Chobot. Not to mention that a lot more people recognize Sheen than Chobot.

So if Allers is a problem *because* she's modelled on a real person, then TIM is far more of a problem.

But that's obviously not what the actual problem is.

[Mole267]

It's all about the $$$.

Didn't care for the Allers character, her voice acting was flat, and even her oversized breasts couldn't overshadow that.

Modifié par Mole267, 24 avril 2012 - 05:30 .

[Kaelef]

Vormaerin wrote...

But that's obviously not what the actual problem is.

You're right. It was more like Jessica Chobot (not "Diana Allers") walked onto the ME stage and started reading some lines.  (And it seemed like this for the combination of reasons I mentioned earlier.)

[Vormaerin]

So you don't like Jessica Chobot. Which is fine. I don't like Tom Cruise and pretty much can't stand anything he's ever been in other than Top Gun (and even that is iffy).

If they'd used Tom Cruise to make a character off of, I would have hated that character. I just wouldn't have claimed it was a general problem with using real people. It would be because Tom Cruise is penultimate ebil.

[Flammenpanzer]

Oldbones2 wrote...

I could give a damn about Tali's stupid picture, (though it was super lazy and don't let BW tell you differently) but Emily Wong would have been perfect for the Dianna Allers role, more importantly fans wanted her back after ME 2 AND i'm guessing that the role of war correspondent was originally slated for her, until some genius said let's throw an untrained VG reporter into our masterpiece instead of the character players wanted, that'll play well.

Why must people keep finding more things for me to get frustrated at with Bioware...

Guess Emily Wong will never get that interview. But IGN sure did!

[Kaelef]

Vormaerin wrote...

So you don't like Jessica Chobot. Which is fine. I don't like Tom Cruise and pretty much can't stand anything he's ever been in other than Top Gun (and even that is iffy).

If they'd used Tom Cruise to make a character off of, I would have hated that character. I just wouldn't have claimed it was a general problem with using real people. It would be because Tom Cruise is penultimate ebil.

I still think part of the problem (though not the whole thing) was that Chobot was presented essentially unaltered (though it was a horrible model).  Even her outfit wouldn't have looked out of place in a current-day setting.  I contend that it would have been somewhat less immersion-breaking if she at least didn't look like Jessica-Chobot-just-off-the-IGN-stage.

[Vormaerin]

Kaelef wrote...

she at least didn't look like Jessica-Chobot-just-off-the-IGN-stage.

Like most people, I didn't know who she was until after I'd finished the game.  So maybe its not obvious to me, but  Allers doesn't look much like the pictures one sees if you google Jessica Chobot.  I don't think I would have made the connection even if I had known who she was.


Allers is sort of a botox horror version of Chobot facially, but the body is totally different.

Modifié par Vormaerin, 24 avril 2012 - 05:55 .