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[Alright-Television]

Atakuma wrote...

Don't be so over dramatic. Emily Wong was just another npc, she doesn't "deserve" anything.

It's not so much that Wong is a great, memorable character or anything, she definitely isn't, but replacing existing characters just to make room for self-insert fan fiction is problematic.

In terms of putting a reporter on the Normandy, it would have made more sense to use one of the two established female reporters, have a choice between Wong and al-Jilani like you have a choice between Chakwas and Michel. Personally I would've liked having Khalisah al-Jilani on the ship. Plenty of potentially volative history with Commander Shepard.

[Vormaerin]

Alright-Television wrote...
. Personally I would've liked having Khalisah al-Jilani on the ship. Plenty of potentially volative history with Commander Shepard.

The problem I have with this argument is that it assumes that Bioware would suddenly rewrite the Allers script to something interesting just because they changed the model.   Al-Jilani with the existing script would have been weaksauce, too.

[Deepo78]

 The Tali thing is starting to bother me more and more. Would it have really killed their resources to have her unmask on screen? And if they did want to preserve her mystique then why did they throw in that photoshopped picture?

[InvincibleHero]

So what the characters and the universe are theirs to do with as they wish. They do not need to justify every move with the fans. I do believe everything they do is designed to reach more people and garner more sales.

Killing Wong off via twitter is better than well let's just assume the reapers got her offscreen with no mention. At least they may have exposed the character to people that were not into ME.

So I guess there is no photoshop 100 in ME universe to allow Tali to give an edited photo of herself on Earth. Wow and I thought there is no way I could be on Mars or even the Citadel (fictional) yet I can put myself there if I want to in boring old 2012 Earth.

As for Allers she doesn't look that bad. Video game characters don't generally look as good as the people they represent. Not a big deal. If you can find a drell or turian attractive then she is not ugly by any stretch.

[Vormaerin]

Yeah, a digital scan of Tali would also create that image without any need for exposure outside of the suit.

[Alright-Television]

Vormaerin wrote...

The problem I have with this argument is that it assumes that Bioware would suddenly rewrite the Allers script to something interesting just because they changed the model.

Please explain. I have trouble seeing this problem you're having. edit: Come to think of it, I have also trouble seeing these assumptions I was making.

Modifié par Alright-Television, 24 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[WhiteKnyght]

Alright-Television wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Don't be so over dramatic. Emily Wong was just another npc, she doesn't "deserve" anything.

It's not so much that Wong is a great, memorable character or anything, she definitely isn't, but replacing existing characters just to make room for self-insert fan fiction is problematic.

In terms of putting a reporter on the Normandy, it would have made more sense to use one of the two established female reporters, have a choice between Wong and al-Jilani like you have a choice between Chakwas and Michel. Personally I would've liked having Khalisah al-Jilani on the ship. Plenty of potentially volative history with Commander Shepard.

I feel sorry for Jessica Chobot. Having to endure all this BS from you guys just for saying yes when she was asked to have a cameo in ME3. It's pathetic and a step away from bullying.

Emily Wong wasn't important in Mass Effect or Mass Effect 2, she was just something to give people a reason to click on the news terminal in the Citadel.

Kalisah Bint Sinan Al-Jilani is a lying, slanderous b*tch who's dang lucky whenever someone chooses not to punch her lights out.

[Alright-Television]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Alright-Television wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Don't be so over dramatic. Emily Wong was just another npc, she doesn't "deserve" anything.

It's not so much that Wong is a great, memorable character or anything, she definitely isn't, but replacing existing characters just to make room for self-insert fan fiction is problematic.

In terms of putting a reporter on the Normandy, it would have made more sense to use one of the two established female reporters, have a choice between Wong and al-Jilani like you have a choice between Chakwas and Michel. Personally I would've liked having Khalisah al-Jilani on the ship. Plenty of potentially volative history with Commander Shepard.

I feel sorry for Jessica Chobot. Having to endure all this BS from you guys just for saying yes when she was asked to have a cameo in ME3. It's pathetic and a step away from bullying.

Ah yes, I was bullying someone by pointing out how her role should have been filled by an already existing character. At least I didn't say anything about how she can't act, like all those even bigger bullies do!

I had a joke about how Bio should give everyone in the world a ME3 character (with romances!) but I couldn't phrase it without jerking off at the same time and these are my only pair of pants.

Emily Wong wasn't important in Mass Effect or Mass Effect 2, she was just something to give people a reason to click on the news terminal in the Citadel.

Kalisah Bint Sinan Al-Jilani is a lying, slanderous b*tch who's dang lucky whenever someone chooses not to punch her lights out.

Mmm, right. Then who was Diana Allers?

[Nwalmenil]

I for one did not mind the photo of Tali, I thought it was a nice touch. Sure, I wouldn't have minded seeing her "live" without a mask as well but I thought the photo worked.

Didn't really mind Allers either except her sometimes rather flat acting. Didn't know who Jessica was until I read about her around here. I do feel bad about her though.. she's getting hunted by vicious "fans" for accepting the cameo roll. Hell, I'd accept in a heart beat if I'd been offered a roll in the ME-franchise. And yes, I know she works for IGN and all that.. maybe I'm being naive but I think they included her to attract some of her fans to the game and not to get a good review by IGN.

Emily Wong though.. I missed the tweet where they killed her off.. that's a bit sad. At least the way they did it. They could've at least made a bigger in game notice about it. And yeah I know she wasn't actually in ME2 (just a short mail from her) but still. At least she had some history in the series.

[Vormaerin]

Alright-Television wrote...

Vormaerin wrote...

The problem I have with this argument is that it assumes that Bioware would suddenly rewrite the Allers script to something interesting just because they changed the model.

Please explain. I have trouble seeing this problem you're having. edit: Come to think of it, I have also trouble seeing these assumptions I was making.

You said that you could see all kinds of great interactions with Al Jilani, which is true. I can see them also.  But I can see great interactions with Allers, too.   We didn't get them.   The war reporter idea is good, but it didn't get implemented well.  Just swapping Wong or Al Jilani wouldn't have made it appreciably better if they didn't also improve the associated writing.

Emily Wong spending most of her time standing around staring at the camera with nothing to say wouldn't have improved much.  You'd just have people complaining about how they wasted Emily Wong instead of how much they loathe some girl they've never met and, therefore, their game is ruined.

Modifié par Vormaerin, 24 avril 2012 - 06:36 .

[Kaelef]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I feel sorry for Jessica Chobot. Having to endure all this BS from you guys just for saying yes when she was asked to have a cameo in ME3. It's pathetic and a step away from bullying.

What?  You make it sound like she was doing charity.  She got paid to act in a part - how is it BS to criticize her performance?  (Plus, half the argument isn't even about her performance, but simply how her character was portrayed/employed in the game.)

Modifié par Kaelef, 24 avril 2012 - 06:38 .

[Vormaerin]

Kaelef wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I feel sorry for Jessica Chobot. Having to endure all this BS from you guys just for saying yes when she was asked to have a cameo in ME3. It's pathetic and a step away from bullying.

What?  You make it sound like she was doing charity.  She got paid to act in a part - how is it BS to criticize her performance?  (Plus, half the argument isn't even about her performance, but simply how her character was portrayed/employed in the game.)

He's not really responding to the comments in this thread, but to the wider body of "criticism".  Much of which is ad hominem on her personally rather than a critique of her performance.   Or is really useful critique like "I wish I had a renegade option to shoot her in the face" by people who use actress and character interchangeably in their posts.

[m079ichel]

I wish Naomi Kyle was is there

[Kaelef]

Vormaerin wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I feel sorry for Jessica Chobot. Having to endure all this BS from you guys just for saying yes when she was asked to have a cameo in ME3. It's pathetic and a step away from bullying.

What?  You make it sound like she was doing charity.  She got paid to act in a part - how is it BS to criticize her performance?  (Plus, half the argument isn't even about her performance, but simply how her character was portrayed/employed in the game.)

He's not really responding to the comments in this thread, but to the wider body of "criticism".  Much of which is ad hominem on her personally rather than a critique of her performance.   Or is really useful critique like "I wish I had a renegade option to shoot her in the face" by people who use actress and character interchangeably in their posts.

Ah.  I don't really have a problem with Chobot in general, though I'm not a fan.  Voice acting is obviously not one of her strengths, though.  I imagine she's great at whatever else she does professionally.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

As bummy as it was to kill off Emily Wong, I do like the way they incorporated twitter into the narrative. I'll go with Tali. Although their excuse is that every major character is based on an actual face, they didn't do much to make Tali as something in the universe and it was too much of a photoshop, so I'll go with that.

[Nwalmenil]

Kaelef wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I feel sorry for Jessica Chobot. Having to endure all this BS from you guys just for saying yes when she was asked to have a cameo in ME3. It's pathetic and a step away from bullying.

What?  You make it sound like she was doing charity.  She got paid to act in a part - how is it BS to criticize her performance?  (Plus, half the argument isn't even about her performance, but simply how her character was portrayed/employed in the game.)

The problem is that it isn't really just criticism about her performance. I've seen some of the comments people have left on her blog and so on and a lot of it is really just nasty and over the top. They make youtuve comments look like quality literature..

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Also, the poll is loaded to all get the hell out, so I refuse to vote.

If you dislike what happened, fine; don't set the poll up in such a way to where you're going to get a bunch of results that are in line with your opinion. Set the **** up fair or don't set it up at all.

[Nwalmenil]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Also, the poll is loaded to all get the hell out, so I refuse to vote.

If you dislike what happened, fine; don't set the poll up in such a way to where you're going to get a bunch of results that are in line with your opinion. Set the **** up fair or don't set it up at all.

And yeah, this is very true. Didn't vote either.

[Random Geth]

This poll is incredibly stupid. If you want to get results, then don't load it so much with your own perspective. I thought Allers was fine and frankly didn't really care about Emily Wong living or dying, but found killing her off through twitter (not even an in-game male like Kal'Reegar) to be objectionable. There is no option for me, for example.

[bennyjammin79]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Also, the poll is loaded to all get the hell out, so I refuse to vote.

If you dislike what happened, fine; don't set the poll up in such a way to where you're going to get a bunch of results that are in line with your opinion. Set the **** up fair or don't set it up at all.

[Weskerr]

I thought killing off Emily Wong via twitter was a distasteful, lazy, uninspiring cop out. I couldn't believe it when it happened, and I'm even more appalled months later after having more time to think about it.

[InvincibleHero]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Also, the poll is loaded to all get the hell out, so I refuse to vote.

If you dislike what happened, fine; don't set the poll up in such a way to where you're going to get a bunch of results that are in line with your opinion. Set the **** up fair or don't set it up at all.

I agree. Unfortunately, almost every poll is biased even those that ask simple questions like which is the best game and only list 4 options. Somebody chose 4 games that represented their view of best game and only gave those options. Scientifically sound polls have to have questions designed to check for honesty while limiting misleading or biased choices.

[snfonseka]

Welcome to the jungle.... I mean, corporate world.

[Vormaerin]

Weskerr wrote...

I thought killing off Emily Wong via twitter was a distasteful, lazy, uninspiring cop out. I couldn't believe it when it happened, and I'm even more appalled months later after having more time to think about it.

Doing it in a shadowbroker news bit or ambient conversation would have been superior?   Or just not tell you she's dead?

[IdTheDemon]

I'd rather have Khalisina Bin Jihilani on my ship rather than Chobot. Her character has the worst acting in the entire series.....Jenkins and Wilson have better characters than her.

Emily Wong and Tali's face are no where as important as IGN advertisement and "professional gaming reviews".