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POLL - Killing Emily Wong on Twitter, Tali photoshopped, but Jessica Chobot in game?


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Vormaerin wrote...

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I thought killing off Emily Wong via twitter was a distasteful, lazy, uninspiring cop out. I couldn't believe it when it happened, and I'm even more appalled months later after having more time to think about it.


Doing it in a shadowbroker news bit or ambient conversation would have been superior?   Or just not tell you she's dead?


No, a preferable alternative would have been not to use twitter. I think the word "lazy" is overused much of the time, but advancing a fictional character's arc via social media fits the defintion of the word distastefully well.

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I didn't like that poll so I didn't vote, however these are my thoughts:

Twitter isn't something I use, so having to find out Emily Wong was killed via twitter was kinda disappointing for me as I had already played the game when I found out what happened to her. As a fan having Emily instead of Dianna on the Normandy would have been preferable, that said I was fine with knowing at least what happened to her in the end.

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Incorporating social media into it wasn't distasteful. It may not be to everyone's preference, but it wasn't distasteful. People got to interact and roleplay with Wong, Reapers, and the Rachni. Getting your consumers that involved with your product and characters is a brilliant move and people were going the entire day cheering Emily Wong on before she died.

I'd much rather her go out like that than get killed on-screen after being present for fifteen minutes.

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ItsFreakinJesus wrote...


I'd much rather her go out like that than get killed on-screen after being present for fifteen minutes.


Or die like Kal'Reegar did.

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ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Incorporating social media into it wasn't distasteful. It may not be to everyone's preference, but it wasn't distasteful. People got to interact and roleplay with Wong, Reapers, and the Rachni. Getting your consumers that involved with your product and characters is a brilliant move and people were going the entire day cheering Emily Wong on before she died.

I'd much rather her go out like that than get killed on-screen after being present for fifteen minutes.


In terms of hype and advertising I think you're right. It was a clever tactic. From a writing and artistic perspective, it was distasteful.

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Yeah, a digital scan of Tali would also create that image without any need for exposure outside of the suit.


Ok, now I can tell my self maybe Tali shopped her own picture for Shepard. It's still bad but not nearly as dissappointing as it stands otherwise.

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Weskerr wrote...

. From a writing and artistic perspective, it was distasteful.


Why?  Because you don't use twitter? 

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Vormaerin wrote...

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. From a writing and artistic perspective, it was distasteful.


Why?  Because you don't use twitter? 


Because it's lazy writing that shows a lack of serious effort and reveals that parts of the narrative and story are so weak that they cannot stand on their own without crutches.

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Because it's lazy writing that shows a lack of serious effort and reveals that parts of the narrative and story are so weak that they cannot stand on their own without crutches.


So you don't like twitter then?


What was lazy about the writing?  Someone had to write the story and determine how to present it.

What sort of effort do you think it lacks?  Its words typed on a keyboard either way.

And how exactly is twitter serving as a crutch for the story element?  Are you saying that twitter enhances the impact of the basic writing in a way that an in game mention wouldn't?

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She is one of if not the WORST voice actors ever to grace my TV.

HERE is all the proof you need.

She doesn't sound like a reporter, she sounds like a bored teenager reading out loud from a history textbook. I like how Bioware dedicated time and resources to an IGN advertisement with boobs, yet all Tali gets is over 9000 hours in MS Paint (and don't forget everyone's favourite Quarian man got killed off in an email!) It just shows how much BW have sold out, they don't respect their fans or even their own intellectual property anymore.

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Boy, I don't agree with the harsh words used in that poll. But yes, having Allers added is a bit of a waste. They probably needed or wanted a new romance for new players. I kinda of disagree how much that is necessary when you are playing the final end of a trilogy.

I think it was necessary in Mass Effect 2, but catering to an new audience that hasn't played the previous games is pointless in the final episode of the trilogy.

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 I thought the Emily Wong thing was very good fun, not at all lazy, and actually quite inspired, unlike some of ME3's marketing. It happened over the course of a whole evening, the tweets were well written and compelling, and there was lots of spontaneous RP happening around the events, both on Twitter and the CDN fansite. Really, really good stuff. The only things they should have done were publicise the event better on BSN beforehand, and reference the events in-game somehow (an e-mail, or an obit for Emily or something) for those who didn't get involved. Emily was a good choice of character for this event - not a major character so no real impact on the game, but known and liked enough by fans to make her death meaningful.

In the event of Emily's death, I would have preferred al-Jilani as my on-board reporter, just because my Shep already knew her (and never punched her). Didn't find Allers as offensive as many here did, though. Maybe because I wasn't familiar with Jessica Chobot beforehand. The main thing I didn't like was that she seemed highly inappropriately dressed for a war reporter. I've certainly never seen the BBC do that :P


The Tali thing? As far as I'm concerned, they shouldn't have bothered at all. Leave her looks to the imagination of the fans, that way she can always be however they want. Face it, Bioware could have blown half the game's budget on a perfectly rendered 3D model of the most gorgeous-looking Tali ever seen, and there would still have been RAAAAAAGGGGGGE on the BSN because she was fugly/different/too alien/not alien enough/ears too small/ ears too big/funny skin colour/not how she looks in my head/raging is what BSN does best. The photoshop was unnecessary, but so too would have been spending much more on content that most players won't see (imo, of course).

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Don't be so over dramatic. Emily Wong was just another npc, she doesn't "deserve" anything.


Your wrong.  She should have been apart of the Normandy.  Instead, we get "Diana Allers" just so that Bioware would get a high review score in exchange.

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I like Chobot in general.... but it felt like they killed Emily Wong to put Diana Allers in and they did a half ass job with Chobot face. And Chobot is no voice actress. And Emily Wong deserved better than to kill off in some stupid twitter event that most fans probably had no idea about. As for the Tali's photoshop thing... that is just plain laziness and asinine to fans.

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Vormaerin wrote...

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Because it's lazy writing that shows a lack of serious effort and reveals that parts of the narrative and story are so weak that they cannot stand on their own without crutches.


So you don't like twitter then?


Twitter itself is not the problem. It's using anything other than the game to explain why a particular character is absent from the story.

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What was lazy about the writing?  Someone had to write the story and determine how to present it.


Unwilling to weave the death of Emily Wong into the game itself is lazy. Connecting her death to the narrative in some way - in any way -within the game would have taken more effort, but they took the lazy route instead. It would have been better if they had let her character disappear amidst the fog of war, just like Gianna Parrasini.

How they handled Wong's character was also a clumsy justification for them to replace her with Diana Allers, which makes this even worse. In my mind, Diana Allers' character symbolizes the whoring of BioWare in two respects: 1. Unlike Miranda, Allers was purely sex appeal. Her character dresses like a bimbo and adds nothing significant to the story. Her personality is also flat and undeveloped. Her purpose is to attract horny customers. 2. IGN is one of the most well known game review sites in the world. It is difficult not to see the conflict of interest hiring one of its reporters to voice a character who is also modelled after that same reporter, when at the same time, the review site is supposed to make an unbiased, critical review of the game. This same IGN reporter even wrote a preview of Mass Effect 3 and did not even mention her conflict of interest! I'm not even sure if the review mentions the site's conflict of interest.

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What sort of effort do you think it lacks?  Its words typed on a keyboard either way.


This is the same as your other question but worded differently. I'll repeat though that the lack of effort stems from  not integrating Wong's death into the narrative of the game itself within the actual game. No dialogue about it in the game is voiced, there's no mention of Wong's death on Citadel News Net despite the fact that she was the anchor for it in Mass Effect 2, and there's not even an in game email on Shepard's terminal about her death like there was for Kal'Reeger (the in game emails about or from characters who you never actually meet in the game are a step above using twitter, but they are almost as bad).

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And how exactly is twitter serving as a crutch for the story element?  Are you saying that twitter enhances the impact of the basic writing in a way that an in game mention wouldn't?


"Enhance" would not be the word I would use to describe twitter's impact on the story. "Cheapen" or even "degrade" would.  However, without twitter, Wong either would not have been mentioned at all (like Gianna Parassini) and simply just disappeared, or she would have sent you an email without ever meeting you in the game, or someone else would have sent you an email explaining how she died. Again, all of these alternatives are hardly better to use than twitter to advance a character's standing in the plot.

Modifié par Weskerr, 24 avril 2012 - 09:27 .


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It was very odd. At the ospital one could choose Dr Michel or Dr Chakwas to serve on the Normandy. Likewise, Shepard met Khalisah and could have met Wong too. Why introduce a third?

You know, I think being in Mass Effect 3 as a snooki-lookalike has made Chobot's popularity plunge. Poor littlke thing played the Fame Game and lost . . . badly.

www.ign.com/blogs/jess-ign/2012/04/03/im-closing-down-this-blog

Rather than rage at "Entitled fans" she should have raged at the way BioWare and IGN portrayed her.

If you look at the way IGN portrays her, well, it's not that far off from them saying, "Hey look! Our friend Jess is a bit of a ****, eh?"

au.ign.com/images/stars/jessica-chobot-912456

Yeah, that's the way to show respect to your staff, IGN . . .

Not terribly nice behaviour from your coworkers, I would have thought.

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Three letters "IGN" the herpes of the internet, are they sill running their taxes through banana republics in the Pacific... seriously, IGN are one of the worst and most untrusted game site reviewers one could ever visit. Who cares, put Ms Chipmunk in an airlock and jettison her into space or let her lick dry ice. Never even new the bad VO and pointless game character was even a real person.

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Even Jessica Chobot disliked Allers.

"My character is a news reporter/anchor by the name of Diana Allers.  I
can't say she really helps Shepard
all that much.  In my view, her
reasons for being around Shepard are more selfish
and analytical.  She's
there to
get the story and, like all good "His Girl Friday" reporter types, possibly gain praise and further her own career and agenda."


www.gamezone.com/products/mass-effect-3/originals/jessica-chobot-interview-about-mass-effect-3

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So rong Emiry Wong!

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Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Even Jessica Chobot disliked Allers.

"My character is a news reporter/anchor by the name of Diana Allers.  I
can't say she really helps Shepard
all that much.  In my view, her
reasons for being around Shepard are more selfish
and analytical.  She's
there to
get the story and, like all good "His Girl Friday" reporter types, possibly gain praise and further her own career and agenda."


www.gamezone.com/products/mass-effect-3/originals/jessica-chobot-interview-about-mass-effect-3


Diana Allers does not have enough character development or personality to analyze in such a way. It's like trying to analyze the intentions and agenda of a piece of furniture.

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Vormaerin wrote...

So you don't like twitter then?


What was lazy about the writing?  Someone had to write the story and determine how to present it.

What sort of effort do you think it lacks?  Its words typed on a keyboard either way.

And how exactly is twitter serving as a crutch for the story element?  Are you saying that twitter enhances the impact of the basic writing in a way that an in game mention wouldn't?


First, I for one really don't like twitter, or facebook or any other so called social media. Out of several reasons that would derail the topic.

Second - to use them as a storytelling device for something that has been shipped on DVD seems to be a rather sad attempt at forming some kind of community spirit. I'm not a fan of the apps and other gimmicks either. Same reason, the product should be on the DVD, not on some secondary media that you have to use in order to get certain things.

Third, I've all but forgotten about Emily Wong. Why use her at all, if you don't have her in the main story that again, should be on the DVD?

And fourth - all that included social media and app hype seems to have another motive than staying in contact with their fanbase. They are excellent devices for forming individual marketing profiles. And that's what this probably really is about.

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Isn't BSN social media?

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Vormaerin wrote...

You said that you could see all kinds of great interactions with Al Jilani, which is true. I can see them also.  But I can see great interactions with Allers, too.   We didn't get them.   The war reporter idea is good, but it didn't get implemented well.  Just swapping Wong or Al Jilani wouldn't have made it appreciably better if they didn't also improve the associated writing.

Emily Wong spending most of her time standing around staring at the camera with nothing to say wouldn't have improved much.  You'd just have people complaining about how they wasted Emily Wong instead of how much they loathe some girl they've never met and, therefore, their game is ruined.

I agree completely. Well, almost. I do not think people would've felt that Bio "wasted" Wong or al-Jilani. (Although I don't even think there's much to waste to be honest.) I can't speak for the forum but, again, it seems to me that most people would have just preferred an already existing character rather than a brand new character. Personally I don't care either way. It's such a small part of the game and I don't feel strongly for any characters in the ME series.

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Well, regardless of what one may think about EAs heavy use of Twitter (I still would expect them to post such obviously plot related info here on the BSN as well), I *do* still think Allers/Chobot was a total waste of resources. They should have put those resources into giving Tali a real 3D face... instead we got a lazy photoshop and walking boobs. Sheesh.

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Vormaerin wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Because it's lazy writing that shows a lack of serious effort and reveals that parts of the narrative and story are so weak that they cannot stand on their own without crutches.


So you don't like twitter then?


What was lazy about the writing?  Someone had to write the story and determine how to present it.

What sort of effort do you think it lacks?  Its words typed on a keyboard either way.

And how exactly is twitter serving as a crutch for the story element?  Are you saying that twitter enhances the impact of the basic writing in a way that an in game mention wouldn't?


Twitter and facebook and an actual gamer journalist should not be connected to a fictional universe that plays out in the future.
When you buy the game you should get the full experience. Being reminded of anything outside of the game, and that includes stupid accomplishment pop-ups during dramatic scenes, breaks immersion and hurts the experience.
It is bad game design, just like playing random fart noises throughout the game would be bad design.