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[Wang Lightning]

Indeed, sir. A series of eyebrow-raising decisions.

You'd think They'd at least have Chobot come back to re-record her dialogue when they saw how poor the quality was.

[Vormaerin]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...



Good Lord how is it SO hard to understand such a SIMPLE concept?

It doesn't matter if THAT account on Twitter was for that purpose. TWITTER itself is not a form of media for the telling of the story of Mass Effect.

We buy the PRODUCTS, and we expect to get the full experience there.

Its hard to understand because its flat out untrue.  Perhaps you should read the description of that job you bang on about.  I'm pretty sure "arbiter of technological uses" is not in it.     You do realize there was a point in our history where books were considered inappropriate places to tell fictional tales?   That people used to say you couldn't tell "serious" stories with animation or in graphic novels?   Twitter is for communication.  You don't get to decide what is acceptable and what is unacceptable communication.   Sorry.

As for you buying products, you got the full experience.  You paid for the game and you got it.   If you want the experience of the novels, pay for that or do without.  If its not important enough to you to spend your time or money on it, fine.   But don't begrudge other people who do choose to do so.  Its not detracting from your "Full experience".   The content in the novels and on twitter was never going to be in the game.  It wasn't part of the experience you paid for.

[Fidget6]

You're lumping two unrelated issues together. The majority of people in the poll are probably much more pissed about the cheap Tali photoshop than the Diana Allers thing. That's like saying, Pick one!

"The band Queen is the greatest rock band of all time!"

"The band Queen is overrated, and I SUPPORT THE SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT BABIES FOR RELIGIOUS SACRIFICE." 


What are people going to pick?

Modifié par Fidget6, 25 avril 2012 - 07:56 .

[lx_theo]

Poll is bias, point of thread is lost, thread is failure...

[BiancoAngelo7]

Vormaerin wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...



Good Lord how is it SO hard to understand such a SIMPLE concept?

It doesn't matter if THAT account on Twitter was for that purpose. TWITTER itself is not a form of media for the telling of the story of Mass Effect.

We buy the PRODUCTS, and we expect to get the full experience there.

Its hard to understand because its flat out untrue.  Perhaps you should read the description of that job you bang on about.  I'm pretty sure "arbiter of technological uses" is not in it.     You do realize there was a point in our history where books were considered inappropriate places to tell fictional tales?   That people used to say you couldn't tell "serious" stories with animation or in graphic novels?   Twitter is for communication.  You don't get to decide what is acceptable and what is unacceptable communication.   Sorry.

As for you buying products, you got the full experience.  You paid for the game and you got it.   If you want the experience of the novels, pay for that or do without.  If its not important enough to you to spend your time or money on it, fine.   But don't begrudge other people who do choose to do so.  Its not detracting from your "Full experience".   The content in the novels and on twitter was never going to be in the game.  It wasn't part of the experience you paid for.

You are nothing but a troll. This is the second time you are selectively quoting me to make it look as much as possible that what you are saying is right, and the third time you have attempted to put words in my mouth by saying that I puroprt novels to not be an acceptable medium for telling Mass Effect stories. You continually try to make it sound like I'm trying to decide what people should and shouldn't communicate on Twitter when that was never the issue.

You continue to say that people got the full experience just by buying products when that is categorically untrue. You continue to ignore any and all points that I make and instead repost snippets of what I say while using circular logic and fallacious arguments half based on things I myself have said, while you attempt to make it look like I am not in favor of things I have openly said are good.

You are a troll, and I will feed you no longer.

And just for the principle of it, here is the complete quote of which you took two seperate smaller parts and put them together:

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Good Lord how is it SO hard to understand such a SIMPLE concept?

It
doesn't matter if THAT account on Twitter was for that purpose.
TWITTER itself is not a form of media for the telling of the story of
Mass Effect. It is a SOCIAL Media Web site, for communication among
REAL people in the REAL world, among MANY other things. Good grief at
least read what I wrote if you're gonna quote it.

It doesn't
matter how many times it was announced on the forums or other sites, do
you know how many fans of Mass Effect are like me? People have jobs,
have lives, we can't spend all day or all year keeping up to date with
fu**ing SOCIAL websites like Twitter and Forums. We buy the PRODUCTS,
and we expect to get the full experience there.

Massive success??
You mean to say that the people that were following Twitter said how
much they liked following Twitter plus reading about Mass Effect? WOW.
SHOCKER. All the "indignation" as you call it, came later when all those
people that don't give a flying fu*k about Twitter started showing up
again around release time. IE: Those people like me with jobs and lives
etc..

Poll with skewed questions?
I wish you and a few others
would stop whining about this. The poll has two positive options, two
negative options, and a neutral option. That is the definition of fair
numbers. Just because the options are not "yes" or "no" does not make
them skewed. Rather, you disagree with the options that are selected the
most, and since the options are worded to express more than a simple
"yes" or "no" YOU take offense at it, so you blame it all on the poll
being skewed, when in fact it is your own personal bias that is skewed.

I understand
for your English, congratulations on it, if it is not your first
language it is actually quite good, keep up the practice 

But I
am sorry, it is not making a mountain out of a mole hill...this is a
slap in the face to the fans, disrespectful of their own work, past and
present, and it is ESPECIALLY insulting when you consider they couldn't
be bothered to model Tali's face, but they modelled a fu**ing gaming
website "journalist".


Oh and for the record, for everyone
else, I never said that Emily Wong was a "fan favorite" the principle is
that introducing Jessica Chobot as Diana Allers while having all the
other issues related to her (killing Wong on Twitter, not modelling Tali
but doing a full Chobot in game, and ignoring the potential for Al
Jilani to be our reporter and work through the conflict with her since
ME1 with the whole "I punched you" thing) screams of artistic laziness,
commercialism in a game that is supposedly "art" and a complete betrayal
of the intelligence of the fans and the realism and quality of their
own game universe.

[Estelindis]

I have nothing against Jessica Chobot and actually thought she did some decent voice acting in ME3.

That said, I think it would have been far, far better to use the time and resources that were spent on Diana Allers to instead give us a) Emily Wong or Khalisah bint Sinan al-Jilani on the Normandy (neither would need a scanned face), and a properly modelled face for Tali rather than the photoshopped stock photo we received.

[Midz]

[quote]BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

[quote]Midz wrote...

[quote]BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

[quote]Vormaerin wrote...

 People have jobs, have lives, we can't spend all day or all year keeping up to date with fu**ing SOCIAL websites like Twitter and Forums. We buy the PRODUCTS, and we expect to get the full experience there.


[/quote]

I even have a job  too and a family ....but this .."the full experience" in the game ???

..YOU NEVER HAVE...........



  Revelation (2007) was prequal  ME1

.  Never read no care   But  why start   complain now about what has always been the case  invoking  two  not important walk  on role  as critical .They were are and will be not important.

.As never did  before  seems  for effect  not  for   principle


is that so hard to understand  to mis quote.

 

[sangy]

Quite a bit of differences here. I thought Jessica Chobot's character in game was cool. Why Bioware put her in there is their decision. I have no problem with that.

I think Emily Wong played her part. She was never a main character. Sure, she's likable to some, but what happened to her in ME3 is all part of what's going on. Just gotta look at the bigger picture here.

Tali's picture...well, I won't touch that. I would have loved to have seen Tali's face finally in ME3. Some didn't want to see to keep it all mysterious or whatever. I do agree they could have done a better job than what was given. I'm not too much bothered by that.

I think the Bio-fans are getting a little too nit-picky at the moment. Only problem I had was the ending, but then again, some liked it as is.

[abaris]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

Frankly I don't even know who Chobot the robot is, but she's not a good character. There's little to no dialogue with her; as a romance option she's as interesting as a rock; and the clothing she wears both looks ridiculous and is utterly unrealistic for a war reporter.

Wong would have been much better.

Not being from America I didn't even know she existed IRL.

That said, I didn't really care about her one way or the other. It only leaves a sour aftertaste if you take into consideration that her real life medium obviously did all the hype. So her, probably innocent cameo presence in the game, comes over as some kind of reward for playing ball.

As for Emily Wong. I all about forgot her. She was a nice sidekick in ME1, but I didn't really expect her to play any part in ME3. I guess, killing her off on social media is really more of an accident than intent. Probably some kept pestering the team what became of her and they decided to do away with her to keep things nice and tidy. But in the ongoing sh..storm about this and that it became an additional issue.

Modifié par abaris, 25 avril 2012 - 12:44 .

[Kajan451]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Poll is here: social.bioware.com/903531/polls/32813/

Not going to vote. The options are unsuitable and clearly biased.

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Full disclosure, I believe that killing Emily Wong on Twitter was one of the most commercial, uninspired, cheap and non artistic things Bioware has ever done. Ever.

I can't say if it was all that, but i agree on the fact that getting rid of Ingame Characters on Twitter is bad. Most importantly because there are people like me that do not use Twitter or Facebook and the constant and omnipresent use of those two medias instead of using more traditional ways to reach the fans is a trend i don't like nor agree to.

I don't want to be forced to join up or use some social networks just to get information about stuff that interests me. To me thats akin to relaying information through a single newsoutlet. Even if its a big newsoutlet, it shouldn't be the case that this is the only means to obtain this information.

Besides, i don't have the time to hunt down information through social networks wheter it be Facebook or Twitter. I am not signing up to every newsletter i could possibly sign up for and i am not joining every social network on the Internet just to keep in the loop.

And i certainly would prefer if websites about Videogames would go back to actually having information of said videogames and not be just something that amounts to an elaborate Advertisement and a note to join some social network for more information.

abaris wrote...

That said, I didn't really care about her one way or the other. It only leaves a sour aftertaste if you take into consideration that her real life medium obviously did all the hype. So her, probably innocent cameo presence in the game, comes over as some kind of reward for playing ball.

Well, Miranda didn't bother me. Allers does. Most likely because Miranda is modeled after a real actress that can actually act her role. Miranda also added something to the game by being a rather important character, even though she was a cheerleader and i didn't like her much because of her "i am so pretty and perfect" attitude, but with Miranda i didn't like the Character, and not what she represented.

Allers on the other hand, could have easily be filled with any other character and is bland and uninteresting. Her being a Love Interest only makes it even more forced and left a real sour aftertaste once i found out who she was. The whole character is "off" in my taste. Her face doesn't fit the body and if you compare her to the original and do the same with Miranda and her original, you just see that they didn't put as much effort into Allers as they did with Miranda. Which just begs the question: "Was she a last minute addition?"

And which favor did she give to be part of the game? Was it professional or personal? Either way... ironically enough, the very same thing Allers says in the game about "getting to close to the source and how it would hurt her credibility", is what happend now. Even without IGN attacking fans, her appearance in the game has robbed IGN of its last shed of credibility and only makes me wonder what kind of favors were involved to get her into the game.

Modifié par Kajan451, 25 avril 2012 - 02:31 .

[ADLegend21]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Poll is here: social.bioware.com/903531/polls/32813/


Full disclosure, I believe that killing Emily Wong on Twitter was one of the most commercial, uninspired, cheap and non artistic things Bioware has ever done. Ever.

When I discovered that this was done to put in a "journalist" from IGN who I believe gained her notoriety only due to her physical appearane and stunts like licking PSP's, it literally blew my mind. I was dumbfounded. But I convinced myself, saying, "maybe they did it because she's just THAT good at voice acting". Yeah. That didn't happen. Horrible, horrible flat and boring voice acting....

Then Tali's face shows up in a photoshopped google picture that doesn't even make sense because Quarians can't survive without their suits on any planet, even if you end their plot in the game the "good" way. It'll take hundreds of years to take a picture of Tali like that, and the fact that Bioware would give us a photoshopped picture of a fan favorite that almost everyone has been waiting for 5-6 years to see, while fully modelling Jessica Chobot (and badly at that) really really pissed me off. It felt like a slap in the face to anyone who loves the ME universe and its richness.

To top it all off, they made Jessica Chobot look extremely bloated and swelled in the face, as if she were a chipmunk, and gave her some sort of badly form fitting dress that makes her look completely awkward and bloated while wearing some sort of hybrid sandal-high heel shoes?

Basically to me they killed a character on TWITTER that was established in the game so they could put in a badly acted, badly modelled, badly dressed character based on a gaming website "journalist" who has her claim to fame by being "that girl that licked a PSP" and who then later went on to insult tens of thousands of ME fans by calling us "entitled whiners" (original I know) to then only retract it (without apologizing) when she realized that repeating IGN's party line finished killing what little fan support she had.

So yeah, I'm biased, I admit it, but I made a poll to see how others feel, I tried to represent as many options (3 serious, 2 a little more "fun", I'm sure you can tell which is which) as possible to have a fair poll.

I think it's important we let Bioware know what we are actually thinking so that no one in the future at Bioware can say "yeah a few people just over reacted".

Because recently they've been doing a lot wrong...and I mean A LOT. <_<

right let's BLAME someone for accepting an invitation to be in a high profile video game. I bet if ANYONE from the BSN was asked to me in ME3 they'd drop everything and be in edmonton ASAP All this whining about Chobot's performane and voice acting, She's playing a REPORTER, reporting NEWS. There's no acting in the news media, I should know I'm a journalism major. What is she supposed to start bawling when she reports arcturus being destroyed? Yell angrily when she reports the cerberus coup? the one time she's supposed to display emotion, when she talks about the Reaper obliterating her home bekenstien, she nails it. Other than that she's supposed to calmly report the things happening, and calmly interview commander Shepard. News is supposed to be unbias and unemotional Bias reporting is bad reporting so her "performance" is damn near perfect because she's an ACTUAL reporter playing one. She's not playing a squadmate who's in battle, she playing a reporter on the Normandy who reports what Shepard's doing.

[spyro396]

Why is jessica chovot in Mass effect 3 u say. I'd say it has to do with the 9.5 review by IGN. They said it had a fitting final, what a load of horse****

[Jangocat]

ADLegend21 wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Poll is here: social.bioware.com/903531/polls/32813/


Full disclosure, I believe that killing Emily Wong on Twitter was one of the most commercial, uninspired, cheap and non artistic things Bioware has ever done. Ever.

When I discovered that this was done to put in a "journalist" from IGN who I believe gained her notoriety only due to her physical appearane and stunts like licking PSP's, it literally blew my mind. I was dumbfounded. But I convinced myself, saying, "maybe they did it because she's just THAT good at voice acting". Yeah. That didn't happen. Horrible, horrible flat and boring voice acting....

Then Tali's face shows up in a photoshopped google picture that doesn't even make sense because Quarians can't survive without their suits on any planet, even if you end their plot in the game the "good" way. It'll take hundreds of years to take a picture of Tali like that, and the fact that Bioware would give us a photoshopped picture of a fan favorite that almost everyone has been waiting for 5-6 years to see, while fully modelling Jessica Chobot (and badly at that) really really pissed me off. It felt like a slap in the face to anyone who loves the ME universe and its richness.

To top it all off, they made Jessica Chobot look extremely bloated and swelled in the face, as if she were a chipmunk, and gave her some sort of badly form fitting dress that makes her look completely awkward and bloated while wearing some sort of hybrid sandal-high heel shoes?

Basically to me they killed a character on TWITTER that was established in the game so they could put in a badly acted, badly modelled, badly dressed character based on a gaming website "journalist" who has her claim to fame by being "that girl that licked a PSP" and who then later went on to insult tens of thousands of ME fans by calling us "entitled whiners" (original I know) to then only retract it (without apologizing) when she realized that repeating IGN's party line finished killing what little fan support she had.

So yeah, I'm biased, I admit it, but I made a poll to see how others feel, I tried to represent as many options (3 serious, 2 a little more "fun", I'm sure you can tell which is which) as possible to have a fair poll.

I think it's important we let Bioware know what we are actually thinking so that no one in the future at Bioware can say "yeah a few people just over reacted".

Because recently they've been doing a lot wrong...and I mean A LOT. <_<

right let's BLAME someone for accepting an invitation to be in a high profile video game. I bet if ANYONE from the BSN was asked to me in ME3 they'd drop everything and be in edmonton ASAP All this whining about Chobot's performane and voice acting, She's playing a REPORTER, reporting NEWS. There's no acting in the news media, I should know I'm a journalism major. What is she supposed to start bawling when she reports arcturus being destroyed? Yell angrily when she reports the cerberus coup? the one time she's supposed to display emotion, when she talks about the Reaper obliterating her home bekenstien, she nails it. Other than that she's supposed to calmly report the things happening, and calmly interview commander Shepard. News is supposed to be unbias and unemotional Bias reporting is bad reporting so her "performance" is damn near perfect because she's an ACTUAL reporter playing one. She's not playing a squadmate who's in battle, she playing a reporter on the Normandy who reports what Shepard's doing.

There's no acting in news media? You better start watching more news then, because I've never seen a real journalist who was as stiff as this womans performance. Real journalists go out of their way to convey personality. From their cloths, body language, vocal tones, etc. Networks want you to like them and feel a connection to them. Calling Chobot a journalist is a streach in any event, she really only has a job because of her looks. This was clearly a publicity stunt.

[Mr Fancy Pants]

I hated that Emily Wong was killed off via Twitter. I would have preferred an email about it.

I've lost track of how many friends I've had to explain Wong's absence. Every one of them thought Twitter was the wrong place to do it.

[Gogzilla]

I thought Allers was alright.
But wow..
I am just hearing about this now.
I think this is really sad,
Emily Wong would have made a much better reporter to be stationed on the Normandy.
Emily Wong would also make more sense given her presence in the previous two games.

[abaris]

Gogzilla wrote...

Emily Wong would also make more sense given her presence in the previous two games.

Well, apart from a mail and I think some news feature, she hasn't been present in ME2.

[rapscallioness]

Well, I gotta say--I would have loved to have had Emily Wong on the Normandy. It would have been right and appropriate.

However, the Twitter thing was an amazing experience. It was this long 9-12 hour....short story via twitter.

At the same time, ME fans were doing this gigantic role playing thing. From all over the world. Like the Reapers had really just invaded.

The Wong tweets themselves had me riveted. It was so much more than they killed Emily via twitter.

It was a unique experience. It was one of things where you really had to be there.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Midz wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Vormaerin wrote...

 People have jobs, have lives, we can't spend all day or all year keeping up to date with fu**ing SOCIAL websites like Twitter and Forums. We buy the PRODUCTS, and we expect to get the full experience there.

I even have a job  too and a family ....but this .."the full experience" in the game ???

..YOU NEVER HAVE...........



  Revelation (2007) was prequal  ME1

.  Never read no care   But  why start   complain now about what has always been the case  invoking  two  not important walk  on role  as critical .They were are and will be not important.

.As never did  before  seems  for effect  not  for   principle


is that so hard to understand  to mis quote.

 

Midz, you misquoted everyone.

You put what I wrote in Vormaerin's quote to make it look like he said it, when in fact I was the one who said that. Then you made up your own post that makes absolutely no sense in english and posted it like as if I wrote it, when I did not.

If you do not know how to correctly quote don't try, otherwise it looks like you're just trying to lie and put words in people's mouths.<_<

Modifié par BiancoAngelo7, 25 avril 2012 - 09:07 .

[Mandalorian9]

Ben Shep wrote...

I have to admit that chobot being in the game felt cheap and gimmiky. I was just reminded of ign videos when she spoke.

[hc00]

Ah, I would have never known that the monstrosity with the mountainous cheekbones and ridculous chin was a model of a real person if not for this thread.

Why do biowares attempts at recreating peoples appearance in mass effect always turn out nightmarish...?

[Achire]

I can't be the only one who was expecting Bill Hicks' joke (later stolen by Denis Leary) in this thread.

Hicks contemplates the nature of our world:
"The world is like a ride at an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it, you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round; it has thrills and chills and it's very brightly colored and it's very loud and it's fun... for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: "Is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, and they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid -EVER- because, this is just a ride." And we... KILL those people HAHAHA! "Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride - SHUT HIM UP! Look at my furrows of worry! Look at my big bank account, and my family! This just HAS to be real!"... But it's just a ride. And we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok? Jesus - murdered; Martin Luther King - murdered; Malcolm X - murdered; Gandhi - murdered; John Lennon - murdered; Reagan... wounded HAHA! But it doesn't matter because: It's just a ride."

Leary's version:
“We live in a country where John Lennon takes eight bullets, Yoko Ono is walking right beside him and not one hits her. Explain that to me!”

[Omega Torsk]

Only had Chobot Allers on the Normandy in my first playthrough. Couldn't stand her character, really. I don't know her, so why should I trust her? Her face just looks wrong and I don't even have to mention the voice acting. Then I found out she contributes very little to your war assets. Every playthrough since had my Shepards telling her "no."

It's a crime that they had to kill off Emily Wong and give us an IGN journalist just for the sake of... uhm... I don't know. Would've been much happier to have had Emily Wong in her place on the Normandy. Heck, I'll even take Khalisah!

And don't even get me started on the poor treatment of Tali's face. I understand why you put it in picture form, it's just sad that the fans could come up with a better photoshop edit than the one we got in the game. I'm just being truthful, Bioware.

[Rolenka]

You can't just go making these threads without making a link or explaining what in the nine hells you are talking about.

[Eski.Moe]

I didn't mind the Twitter thing and found it fun to follow when it was happening.

I was a bit annoyed about Chobot but had a few wistful thoughts of Emily Wong with a unique model replacing her. I just found her in-game model to be fugly and she easily had the weaked VA performance of the cast. I mean, they can waste time with her but they can't be bothered to get Adam Baldwin or Michael Beattie or take the freaking time to do a proper render of Tali's face? I know she was most likely cheaper to use than Beattie or Baldwin but people actually liked those two and their characters.
However, I have to admit that her inclusion isn't really a big deal in the scheme of things. I would just leave her off the ship. It's not like bringing on her on the ship brings a better ending, lol.

I was disgusted by the Tali treatment. It was pathetic, cheap and insulting. Left a very bitter taste in my mouth after what was an awesome Rannoch mission.

Modifié par Eski.Moe, 26 avril 2012 - 07:40 .