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[RaggieRags]

I strongly dislike using "celebrities" in games, like Diana Allers and Tallis. I don't even know why.

[Eski.Moe]

Tallis was miles better tho. Whatsherface who she's modelled on is a pretty big fan and it shows. I felt no disconnect with her. She had a pretty solid showing.
It probably helps that I didn't know who she was prior to watching the webseries.

[Midz]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Midz wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Vormaerin wrote...

 People have jobs, have lives, we can't spend all day or all year keeping up to date with fu**ing SOCIAL websites like Twitter and Forums. We buy the PRODUCTS, and we expect to get the full experience there.

I even have a job  too and a family ....but this .."the full experience" in the game ???

..YOU NEVER HAVE...........



  Revelation (2007) was prequal  ME1

.  Never read no care   But  why start   complain now about what has always been the case  invoking  two  not important walk  on role  as critical .They were are and will be not important.

.As never did  before  seems  for effect  not  for   principle


is that so hard to understand  to mis quote.

 

Midz, you misquoted everyone.

You put what I wrote in Vormaerin's quote to make it look like he said it, when in fact I was the one who said that. Then you made up your own post that makes absolutely no sense in english and posted it like as if I wrote it, when I did not.

If you do not know how to correctly quote don't try, otherwise it looks like you're just trying to lie and put words in people's mouths.<_<

Apologies  i probably  no definatly mess  up  the quote .was try to  reduce ..that  sorry .

As is  busy   response  is also  not timely .The point remains the same.

To clarify with ALL you said ....



"It doesn't
matter how many times it was announced on the forums or other sites, do
you know how many fans of Mass Effect are like me? People have jobs,
have lives, we can't spend all day or all year keeping up to date with
fu**ing SOCIAL websites like Twitter and Forums. We buy the PRODUCTS,
and we expect to get the full experience there.


Poll with skewed questions?
I wish you and a few others
would stop whining about this. The poll has two positive options, two
negative options, and a neutral option. That is the definition of fair
numbers. Just because the options are not "yes" or "no" does not make
them skewed. Rather, you disagree with the options that are selected the
most, and since the options are worded to express more than a simple
"yes" or "no" YOU take offense at it, so you blame it all on the poll
being skewed, when in fact it is your own personal bias that is skewed."

The part  I reffred  to was   this ..

"We buy the PRODUCTS,

and we expect to get the full experience there."  which  you did say


The part after that is not  a quote  or  my error  not   suppose look as if  but my

answer to that ..which  to repeat is ...


"I even have a job  too and a family ....but this .."the full experience" in the game ???

..YOU NEVER HAVE...........



  Revelation (2007) was prequal  ME1

 Never read no care   But  why start   complain now about what has always been the case  invoking  two  not important walk  on role  as critical .They were are and will be not important.

.As never did  before  seems  for effect  not  for   principle


is that so hard to understand  "

Not a quote  but my added

The point though remains  the same  why  scream  foul about something never  had.
As if  its new fresh  and a dirty trick when it is  not .

The game never ever ever had the full experience ..and  the one refered  to  is not critical, important

or even very intresting .A small walk at most.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Midz wrote...
lots of stuff

Hey no problem, we all make mistakes with the quote systme sometimes

As for what you were saying, I think we just misunderstood each other. I wasn't saying that we don't get the complte story in the games, it's obvious that things like books and comics tell certain parts of the story. That's fine to me, because it is a form of media dedicated to the creation and transmission of the Mass Effect story.

I didn't mean to say that since we have books, we don't get the full story.

What I was saying is that using Twitter or any other form of media that is not dedicated to the story it is portraying is artistically and ethically bankrupt.

It's like as if you saw the Lord of the Rings trilogy, but to find out what happened to a minor character you had to follow twitter and know that they held a "community building excercise" for a few hours. I mean cmon, it's just common sense that it's wrong.

We're actually saying the same thing and agreeing, we just misunderstood each other

[Mr Fancy Pants]

rapscallioness wrote...

Well, I gotta say--I would have loved to have had Emily Wong on the Normandy. It would have been right and appropriate.

However, the Twitter thing was an amazing experience. It was this long 9-12 hour....short story via twitter.

At the same time, ME fans were doing this gigantic role playing thing. From all over the world. Like the Reapers had really just invaded.

The Wong tweets themselves had me riveted. It was so much more than they killed Emily via twitter.

It was a unique experience. It was one of things where you really had to be there.

I'm sure it was a cool experience, when it was happening.  However, everyone I've spoken to didn't know about the Twitter story, so they have no idea why Emily Wong is missing from the game.  I didn't know about it until I read it here on BSN.  

People that didn't follow the Twitter story and are getting into the game afterwards were left out.  I think Bioware should have included an email about the death, or maybe a mention of it on one of the newscasts on the Citadel.

[DaJe]

Mr Fancy Pants wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Well, I gotta say--I would have loved to have had Emily Wong on the Normandy. It would have been right and appropriate.

However, the Twitter thing was an amazing experience. It was this long 9-12 hour....short story via twitter.

At the same time, ME fans were doing this gigantic role playing thing. From all over the world. Like the Reapers had really just invaded.

The Wong tweets themselves had me riveted. It was so much more than they killed Emily via twitter.

It was a unique experience. It was one of things where you really had to be there.

I'm sure it was a cool experience, when it was happening.  However, everyone I've spoken to didn't know about the Twitter story, so they have no idea why Emily Wong is missing from the game.  I didn't know about it until I read it here on BSN.  

People that didn't follow the Twitter story and are getting into the game afterwards were left out.  I think Bioware should have included an email about the death, or maybe a mention of it on one of the newscasts on the Citadel.

They havn't even shown how you meet Vega, what the hell was up with your "trail", they didn't even bother with telling you where the hell Shepard is at the beginning of the game, because apparently you are supposed to read all the comics and books and tweets and pr lies and cerberus network news and facebook crap etc. etc.

Snooki was obviously a bigger priority.

Modifié par DaJe, 26 avril 2012 - 08:12 .

[Mr Fancy Pants]

DaJe wrote...

Mr Fancy Pants wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Well, I gotta say--I would have loved to have had Emily Wong on the Normandy. It would have been right and appropriate.

However, the Twitter thing was an amazing experience. It was this long 9-12 hour....short story via twitter.

At the same time, ME fans were doing this gigantic role playing thing. From all over the world. Like the Reapers had really just invaded.

The Wong tweets themselves had me riveted. It was so much more than they killed Emily via twitter.

It was a unique experience. It was one of things where you really had to be there.

I'm sure it was a cool experience, when it was happening.  However, everyone I've spoken to didn't know about the Twitter story, so they have no idea why Emily Wong is missing from the game.  I didn't know about it until I read it here on BSN.  

People that didn't follow the Twitter story and are getting into the game afterwards were left out.  I think Bioware should have included an email about the death, or maybe a mention of it on one of the newscasts on the Citadel.

They havn't even shown how you meet Vega, what the hell was up with your "trail", they didn't even bother with telling you where the hell Shepard is at the beginning of the game, because apparently you are supposed to read all the comics and books and tweets and pr lies and cerberus network news and facebook crap etc. etc.

Snooki was obviously a bigger priority.

Yeah, a lot of people I've spoken to (myself included) were annoyed that much of the character story was from comics, etc.  I don't read that stuff or follow Twitter and Facebook crap.  So yeah, I was also wondering who this Vega guy is and how does Shepard know him?  Same for Kei Lang, and others.

[Bebuse]

An important lesson for women everywhere.

If you want to get anywhere in life, you need to frequently lick other peoples' hardware.

Bioware, you are so damned inspiring.

[Slayer299]

1. I thought the Twitter thing with Emily Wong was just stupid, I don't follow Twitter and I only found out about what happened by accident. Not everyone cares to use/follow Twitter or FB nor should I have to.

2. As for Jessica Chobot, I have no idea how she got her role in ME3, but it was a horrendous one. She wasn't needed, Chobot's VA work was flat, boring & dead, Allers had no real reason (beyond a 5pt EMS bump) reason to be on the Normandy since she added nothing other than a cheap boinking moment for either male/fem Shep.

3. Tali's photoshopped face was a huge screwup for BW. Either BW should have just decided "no, we're not showing Tali's face" or actually use the in-house artists they have to come up with a face for Tali and the Quarians in general. The photoshop was just a cheap and lazy out as was how it was implemented in-game.

[Salz99]

Tali's photoshopped face was ridiculous. After waiting all this time they put hardly any work into it.

I brought Allers aboard my ship then promptly kicked her off when I saw she had the acting ability of dead rat.

[sackyhack]

I can't blame Chobot for signing up. I can't act to save my life, but if a developer asked me to be in my favorite franchise, I'd be all over it. What bothers me is a failure on everybody's parts. She's clearly very bad at VO work, and she's even admitted it, but Bioware didn't hold her up to their usual VO standards, which makes me think they only wanted her as nerd-bait. Also, Jessica never disclosed her involvement when she did some preview work on ME3 for IGN. Therefore, all of their coverage is tainted with the hints of favoritism for a media outlet, even though it's pretty prevalent in the industry.

Some dude from Gameinformer was face-scanned for a random NPC in LA Noire, and he wasn't allowed anywhere near that game's coverage. That's how you do it right.

And the whole Tali thing, there's nothing wrong with using reference photos. Hell most of the ME3 squadmates are based off of real people. The problem is that with Tali, it was REALLY bad. Like they passed it off to an intern or something. There are videos of developers talking about how much time they've spent on the Quarian face design because they know it'll be hard to please everybody. But that crappy photoshop makes it seem like someone just remembered to do it like 5 minutes before the game went Gold.

[tsk16]

The characters who were based off real people were either human i.e. Man Shep, or were alien but had proper moulds done for the face and a huge amount of work getting them to look write i.e. Rana being the face of Samara/Morinth

Tali was just ripped form google, Why couldn't they just ask an artist from Deviant Art if they were too lazy and just give them a few hundred quid or politely ask if it can be free, being responsible for the face of Tali would be pretty epic

Aghhhhhh damm you Biowarwe, I wasn't even that fussed about Tali's actual face but you just ruined it

Modifié par tsk16, 27 avril 2012 - 02:13 .

[BiancoAngelo7]

sackyhack wrote...

I can't blame Chobot for signing up. I can't act to save my life, but if a developer asked me to be in my favorite franchise, I'd be all over it. What bothers me is a failure on everybody's parts. She's clearly very bad at VO work, and she's even admitted it, but Bioware didn't hold her up to their usual VO standards, which makes me think they only wanted her as nerd-bait. Also, Jessica never disclosed her involvement when she did some preview work on ME3 for IGN. Therefore, all of their coverage is tainted with the hints of favoritism for a media outlet, even though it's pretty prevalent in the industry.

Some dude from Gameinformer was face-scanned for a random NPC in LA Noire, and he wasn't allowed anywhere near that game's coverage. That's how you do it right.

And the whole Tali thing, there's nothing wrong with using reference photos. Hell most of the ME3 squadmates are based off of real people. The problem is that with Tali, it was REALLY bad. Like they passed it off to an intern or something. There are videos of developers talking about how much time they've spent on the Quarian face design because they know it'll be hard to please everybody. But that crappy photoshop makes it seem like someone just remembered to do it like 5 minutes before the game went Gold.

My feelings exactly, the fact that they didn't indeed hold Chobot to anywhere near the standard for quality in VO work they did with other characters  tells you everything you need to know about her role in ME3.

As for Tali, it's truly atrocious what they did in ME3. They should be ashamed of including a simple, lazy photoshop of "some chick" off of google.

That's horrendous. And the fact that they got it off google isn't even the issue. Them getting it off of google just added fuel to the napalm blaze that was already raging...the true idiocy of their decision was to make a picture of Tali instead of actually making an ingame model.

If the issue were TRULY artisitic integrity you know what they would have done? They would have modelled and created a model for A quarian, ANY quarian, and showed it to you. I dunno, some dude with his helmet blasted off or something, or even just a cut scene of a quarian doing emergency field repair on his face mask or something. Then they could get away with not showing you what Tali looks like, because you could "make your own" Tali face knowing what Quarians in general look like.

but the fact that they copped out with a 2D picture is just symptomatic of artistic snobbery in the best case, and pure and simple laziness in the worst case.

[mireisen]

RaggieRags wrote...

I strongly dislike using "celebrities" in games, like Diana Allers and Tallis. I don't even know why.

Fanservice perhaps? I was annoyed with Tallis in DA2 too. But at least the VA was comparable. Diana Allers was a very questionable choice. I would rather have Emily Wong. Asians need to represent after that clown Kai Leng.

With the birthrate of males in China I would've expected more Chinese last names in the ME universe, anyways.