ArchDuck wrote...
You must have missed this reply before (again): <_<ArchDuck wrote...
If this isn't a cyborg what is?
Notice the circuitry?
You do realise that if shepards synthetic parts shut down he will die. You do know that right? I mean watch the intro of me2 again if all those implants failed shepard would die.lx_theo wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Why don't I trust him?lx_theo wrote...
Because the kid is your only outlet of knowledge. If you don't trust him, its like picking where the coin is under from three differently colored cups.
If you don't trust him on that, why trust that destroy will even destroy the reapers and not just send the paralyzation stasis the collectors used against every organic in the galaxy?
If you're not going to trust him, you can't pick and choose based on how you want to see the ending.
Catalyst: you can destroy all synthetics if you want, even you are part synthetic.
And then my Shepard takes a breath
I have plenty of reason not to trust him.
Yay blue! Part only means parts wil be destroyed. Shepard can easily be severely injured in that scene because of it.
lx_theo wrote...
Navasha wrote...
theo... let me ask you a question.
Lets say you go to a doctor for a cold. He gives you a pill and you pass out. You wake up a few days later in a hospital. The doctor comes in and says, "Great news". We have fundamentally changed you. We have removed all of your gastrointestinal system. You no longer can eat, and must now take nourishment through these IVs, but its for the best. This way you have no chance of getting stomach, throat, or colon cancer."
"But I didn't ask for this... ", you say, "I enjoy eating.. I like tasting food. I don't want to have to shove a needle in my arm to get nourishment".
To which the doctor replies, "I know you didn't know about this or ask for it... But I am your doctor and I know what is best for you.".
How would that make you feel?
What is synthesis taking away? Without that, the comparison is null and void.
lx_theo wrote...
Why do people think that Synthesis would make organics cyborgs or something along those lines? It makes no sense that people would be forced into a cyborg form. In fact, it makes so little sense that it also doesn't make sense that anyone would think that's what it meant. A bit... perplexing, I must say.
The Catalyst told of how synthesis would create a new DNA. He said nothing about how it would alter the physical forms of anyone. What does make sense is that if Synthesis only effects DNA and Sythetic's equivalent. They would be merged to create one fundamental building block of life rather than the two distinctly different ones that were there before. A Geth would simply be another species, like a Human is to a Turian. This is actually the only way it can make sense. If people were transformed into synthetics or cyborgs or something along those lines, it destroys the ability to write a future story coming after because of the huge variation it would force. People still have their free will. They still have their individuality. They are still who they are. The only logical interpretations of synthesis would be ones that change species at such a fundamental level that it can put them on the same playing field without changing the uniqueness of each species and individual. Any interpretation that does not take this in account will not make sense. I don't really understand why anyone would think those to be true. Maybe they are so bitter at the ending they choose to look for the interpretation they can hate on the most?
So please, stop making the silly threads attacking the Synthesis option.
Cobretti ftw wrote...
And you REALLY cant see why that is absurd? and makes no sense?
What exaclty is the "synthetic life sustaining" method? HOW does it work? Something that coordinates the "creation" of new synthetic components?
what exactly is "the best of both worlds?" since theya re tottaly diferent, and with different purpuses?
CDHarrisUSF wrote...
You can say that you know it all you want, but it doesn't make it true. You have yet to demonstrate any understanding of these concepts. You just keep asserting that it works as if we're supposed to accept such a huge pile of bulls#!t presented as one throwaway line in the last couple of minutes of the story. Enlighten us, oh mighty lx_theo, as to exactly how this one pulse of energy works its magic.lx_theo wrote...
You're an idiot. Of course I know how DNA works. I'm not in grade school.
Ever think that a cross would be a combination of DNA and the synthetic method of existence that doesn't require DNA?
How does it create organic matter where there is none? How does it create synthetic parts where there are none? How does one single pulse understand how to cope with every possible variation of DNA (and any alien equivalents) it will encounter? How does it modify DNA such that the reproductive process will produce cyborg offspring (otherwise they'll be back to organics in one generation)? How does it do this all flawlessly when one random mutation in the wrong gene can cause fatal birth defects? How will the resulting beings still look and act like the races they came from when a 2% difference is all that separates us from chimps? How will the offspring's body intake synthetic "food," then break it down and use it to build synthetic parts (otherwise they would be all organic)? How does all of this happen in the blink of an eye? Even if you could come up with a cross between synthetics and human DNA, how does modifying the DNA in the cells of already existing humans not screw up the delicate and heavily interdependent processes which are necessary to continue living... which depend on reading instructions from human DNA? When an important bodily function goes looking for instructions in the cells' DNA and finds something else in their place, how is the organism going to cope with that?
Feel free to go into as much detail as possible... since you say you understand how it all works. I eagerly await an explanation as to how this ending is anything more than a patently ridiculous idea which was supposed to come off as high-minded and philosophical... but fell flat on its face.
Modifié par Zuka999, 23 avril 2012 - 11:06 .
Thank you for lightening my mood, though you do now owe me a coffee and screen cleaner.Navasha wrote...
You mean other than violating a person without their consent? How about the destruction of basically all knowledge we have regarding everything. What exactly do we eat? How long do we now live? Can we even have children? Do I have to now feed my omni-tool to keep its organic bits alive? What do I do if I am hacked and my actions are being controlled by another? Do I need to install anti-virus software in myself? Since all basic biological information is now irrelevant.... who do I see if I have a problem?
It takes EVERYTHING away.
lx_theo wrote...
ArchDuck wrote...
You must have missed this reply before (again): <_<ArchDuck wrote...
If this isn't a cyborg what is?
Notice the circuitry?
Already dealt with a similar train of thought. The problem I have with referring to it s cyborg is that people in general will not think of stuff like that. It creates a misinterpretation that only spreads them.
Not really an argument, just an observation.
Navasha wrote...
lx_theo wrote...
Navasha wrote...
theo... let me ask you a question.
Lets say you go to a doctor for a cold. He gives you a pill and you pass out. You wake up a few days later in a hospital. The doctor comes in and says, "Great news". We have fundamentally changed you. We have removed all of your gastrointestinal system. You no longer can eat, and must now take nourishment through these IVs, but its for the best. This way you have no chance of getting stomach, throat, or colon cancer."
"But I didn't ask for this... ", you say, "I enjoy eating.. I like tasting food. I don't want to have to shove a needle in my arm to get nourishment".
To which the doctor replies, "I know you didn't know about this or ask for it... But I am your doctor and I know what is best for you.".
How would that make you feel?
What is synthesis taking away? Without that, the comparison is null and void.
You mean other than violating a person without their consent? How about the destruction of basically all knowledge we have regarding everything. What exactly do we eat? How long do we now live? Can we even have children? Do I have to now feed my omni-tool to keep its organic bits alive? What do I do if I am hacked and my actions are being controlled by another? Do I need to install anti-virus software in myself? Since all basic biological information is now irrelevant.... who do I see if I have a problem?
It takes EVERYTHING away.
chuckles471 wrote...
Sorry, but changing human DNA (all DNA) is horrendous.
DNA makes you as a person, you are the product millions and millions of years of generations of animals conquering nature(making new niches), just to pass on their DNA just to make you. And for Shepard to survive all that crap and go "yes let's give up every thing that makes us human", is just BS.
ArchDuck wrote...
lx_theo wrote...
ArchDuck wrote...
You must have missed this reply before (again): <_<ArchDuck wrote...
If this isn't a cyborg what is?
Notice the circuitry?
Already dealt with a similar train of thought. The problem I have with referring to it s cyborg is that people in general will not think of stuff like that. It creates a misinterpretation that only spreads them.
Not really an argument, just an observation.
So it is the correct term and your opening post has had its first paragraph voided. Thanks for the confirmation. You may not like the term cyborg but synthesis = cyborgs.
sth128 wrote...
The real question: if Joker decides to bang a Verran, will he get a digital version of scale itch?
Taboo-XX wrote...
Zuka999 wrote...
Synthetics don't have DNA
Someone finally brought this up. Glad to see I'm not the only one with this problem.
So synthesis makes a specific yet general change to all life forms in the galaxy. It takes nothing away while completely changing your DNA. It is suppose to solve the synthetic / organic conflict but everyone still has their free will and their views of each other have not changed.lx_theo wrote...
It takes nothing away.
The violating comment in itself is absurd, and the rest are mostly ridiculous in themselves. Food changes too, obviously. Of course you can have children (kills the point of having any DNA or new DNA if it was taken away). Medical knowledge would probably have to be revamped, though most would stay the same because as the ending shows there are minimal changes made to people. Most of the rest of that is idiotic at best.
lx_theo wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Why don't I trust him?lx_theo wrote...
Because the kid is your only outlet of knowledge. If you don't trust him, its like picking where the coin is under from three differently colored cups.
If you don't trust him on that, why trust that destroy will even destroy the reapers and not just send the paralyzation stasis the collectors used against every organic in the galaxy?
If you're not going to trust him, you can't pick and choose based on how you want to see the ending.
Catalyst: you can destroy all synthetics if you want, even you are part synthetic.
And then my Shepard takes a breath
I have plenty of reason not to trust him.
Yay blue! Part only means parts wil be destroyed. Shepard can easily be severely injured in that scene because of it.
ArchDuck wrote...
What is stopping the organic/synthetic hybrids from making more pure synthetics or organics (or both)?
The synthesis ending does not actually stop the reason that the reapers say they are doing this for. After all, pure synthetics and organics can be made in the future and eventually pure organic life will evolve again.
This ending also destroys the current path of evolution across the galaxy, is being based off of a false idea of evolution having a pinnacle and presents forcing it on others with no thought to whether they want to be genetically rewritten as right...
But you can continue being an apologist of the ending if you like, that is your right.
If you enjoy it then please continue to do so, but please stop trying to say that the rest of us need to start enjoying it or stop explaining why we don't enjoy it.
Modifié par ArchDuck, 23 avril 2012 - 11:31 .
Zuka999 wrote...
CDHarrisUSF wrote...
You can say that you know it all you want, but it doesn't make it true. You have yet to demonstrate any understanding of these concepts. You just keep asserting that it works as if we're supposed to accept such a huge pile of bulls#!t presented as one throwaway line in the last couple of minutes of the story. Enlighten us, oh mighty lx_theo, as to exactly how this one pulse of energy works its magic.lx_theo wrote...
You're an idiot. Of course I know how DNA works. I'm not in grade school.
Ever think that a cross would be a combination of DNA and the synthetic method of existence that doesn't require DNA?
How does it create organic matter where there is none? How does it create synthetic parts where there are none? How does one single pulse understand how to cope with every possible variation of DNA (and any alien equivalents) it will encounter? How does it modify DNA such that the reproductive process will produce cyborg offspring (otherwise they'll be back to organics in one generation)? How does it do this all flawlessly when one random mutation in the wrong gene can cause fatal birth defects? How will the resulting beings still look and act like the races they came from when a 2% difference is all that separates us from chimps? How will the offspring's body intake synthetic "food," then break it down and use it to build synthetic parts (otherwise they would be all organic)? How does all of this happen in the blink of an eye? Even if you could come up with a cross between synthetics and human DNA, how does modifying the DNA in the cells of already existing humans not screw up the delicate and heavily interdependent processes which are necessary to continue living... which depend on reading instructions from human DNA? When an important bodily function goes looking for instructions in the cells' DNA and finds something else in their place, how is the organism going to cope with that?
Feel free to go into as much detail as possible... since you say you understand how it all works. I eagerly await an explanation as to how this ending is anything more than a patently ridiculous idea which was supposed to come off as high-minded and philosophical... but fell flat on its face.
@x_theo
Hey, bro, stop ignoring the post that actually challenges your assertions. I know its inconvenient, but you're already a terrible troll so just do us a favor and either:
1. Admit you have no idea what you're talking about or
2. Actually prove your assertions that you know Synthesis could somehow work.
You literally can't do number 2, so lets just get this over with shall we?
lx_theo wrote...
Cobretti ftw wrote...
And you REALLY cant see why that is absurd? and makes no sense?
What exaclty is the "synthetic life sustaining" method? HOW does it work? Something that coordinates the "creation" of new synthetic components?
what exactly is "the best of both worlds?" since theya re tottaly diferent, and with different purpuses?
Please, read what i said a 100 times already. I do not have details. It would be a great challange to do anything beyond basics like that. I doubt even Bioware bothered given their time restraints.
I'm purposing the concept in contrast of people talking about stuff like Cyborg from Teen Titans.
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