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[Iakus]

lx_theo wrote...

It takes nothing away.

The violating comment in itself is absurd, and the rest are mostly ridiculous in themselves. Food changes too, obviously. Of course you can have children (kills the point of having any DNA or new DNA if it was taken away). Medical knowledge would probably have to be revamped, though most would stay the same because as the ending shows there are minimal changes made to people. Most of the rest of that is idiotic at best.

It's not, really, you're changing everyone, everything in a fundamentable way without their knowledge or consent.  Every human, every krogan, every quarian and geth.  Every pyjack, varren, thresher maw (cyborg thresher maws?  ) and every tree and blade of grass.  Because Shepard thought it was a good idea.  Shepard takes away something that makes them unique and makes them into...something else.  Something we have no way of knowing what the long term, or even short term consequences are.

Remember, indoctrination takes away from teh victim and leaves even fewer outside changes than synthesis did.

[ArchDuck]

lx_theo wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

So it is the correct term and your opening post has had its first paragraph voided. Thanks for the confirmation. You may not like the term cyborg but synthesis = cyborgs.

No, the first paragraph was referring to people going on about how it was like what I just said. It was against that perception. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

You might want to adjust that so that it is easier to understand that it is the perceptions that you feel go along with the word "cyborg" not the word definition itself.

[Pockydon]

lx_theo wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

You're an idiot. Of course I know how DNA works. I'm not in grade school.

Ever think that a cross would be a combination of DNA and the synthetic method of existence that doesn't require DNA?

You can say that you know it all you want, but it doesn't make it true. You have yet to demonstrate any understanding of these concepts. You just keep asserting that it works as if we're supposed to accept such a huge pile of bulls#!t presented as one throwaway line in the last couple of minutes of the story. Enlighten us, oh mighty lx_theo, as to exactly how this one pulse of energy works its magic.

How does it create organic matter where there is none? How does it create synthetic parts where there are none? How does one single pulse understand how to cope with every possible variation of DNA (and any alien equivalents) it will encounter? How does it modify DNA such that the reproductive process will produce cyborg offspring (otherwise they'll be back to organics in one generation)? How does it do this all flawlessly when one random mutation in the wrong gene can cause fatal birth defects? How will the resulting beings still look and act like the races they came from when a 2% difference is all that separates us from chimps? How will the offspring's body intake synthetic "food," then break it down and use it to build synthetic parts (otherwise they would be all organic)? How does all of this happen in the blink of an eye? Even if you could come up with a cross between synthetics and human DNA, how does modifying the DNA in the cells of already existing humans not screw up the delicate and heavily interdependent processes which are necessary to continue living... which depend on reading instructions from human DNA? When an important bodily function goes looking for instructions in the cells' DNA and finds something else in their place, how is the organism going to cope with that?

Feel free to go into as much detail as possible... since you say you understand how it all works. I eagerly await an explanation as to how this ending is anything more than a patently ridiculous idea which was supposed to come off as high-minded and philosophical... but fell flat on its face.

@x_theo
Hey, bro, stop ignoring the post that actually challenges your assertions. I know its inconvenient, but you're already a terrible troll so just do us a favor and either:

1. Admit you have no idea what you're talking about or
2. Actually prove your assertions that you know Synthesis could somehow work.

You literally can't do number 2, so lets just get this over with shall we?

I never claimed to know how Synthesis would work in detail. In fact, IU have repeated on NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS THAT I HAVE NOT DONE THAT. Yeah, I'm the troll...

The point was never that I could show an in depth explanation of Synthesis, but that any reasonable way that Synthesis could be explained is if the change made as minute difference as possible, in contrast to others who claim outrageous changes as facts.

So take that stick out your butt and beat yourself with it, because you seem to be out of ammo.

Are you blind? Or are you just an idiot?

[Zuka999]

lx_theo wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

You're an idiot. Of course I know how DNA works. I'm not in grade school.

Ever think that a cross would be a combination of DNA and the synthetic method of existence that doesn't require DNA?

You can say that you know it all you want, but it doesn't make it true. You have yet to demonstrate any understanding of these concepts. You just keep asserting that it works as if we're supposed to accept such a huge pile of bulls#!t presented as one throwaway line in the last couple of minutes of the story. Enlighten us, oh mighty lx_theo, as to exactly how this one pulse of energy works its magic.

How does it create organic matter where there is none? How does it create synthetic parts where there are none? How does one single pulse understand how to cope with every possible variation of DNA (and any alien equivalents) it will encounter? How does it modify DNA such that the reproductive process will produce cyborg offspring (otherwise they'll be back to organics in one generation)? How does it do this all flawlessly when one random mutation in the wrong gene can cause fatal birth defects? How will the resulting beings still look and act like the races they came from when a 2% difference is all that separates us from chimps? How will the offspring's body intake synthetic "food," then break it down and use it to build synthetic parts (otherwise they would be all organic)? How does all of this happen in the blink of an eye? Even if you could come up with a cross between synthetics and human DNA, how does modifying the DNA in the cells of already existing humans not screw up the delicate and heavily interdependent processes which are necessary to continue living... which depend on reading instructions from human DNA? When an important bodily function goes looking for instructions in the cells' DNA and finds something else in their place, how is the organism going to cope with that?

Feel free to go into as much detail as possible... since you say you understand how it all works. I eagerly await an explanation as to how this ending is anything more than a patently ridiculous idea which was supposed to come off as high-minded and philosophical... but fell flat on its face.

@x_theo
Hey, bro, stop ignoring the post that actually challenges your assertions. I know its inconvenient, but you're already a terrible troll so just do us a favor and either:

1. Admit you have no idea what you're talking about or
2. Actually prove your assertions that you know Synthesis could somehow work.

You literally can't do number 2, so lets just get this over with shall we?

I never claimed to know how Synthesis would work in detail. In fact, IU have repeated on NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS THAT I HAVE NOT DONE THAT. Yeah, I'm the troll...

The point was never that I could show an in depth explanation of Synthesis, but that any reasonable way that Synthesis could be explained is if the change made as minute difference as possible, in contrast to others who claim outrageous changes as facts.

So take that stick out your butt and beat yourself with it, because you seem to be out of ammo.

So you actually have no answers and Synthesis does make no sense! Okay, thanks for more or less admitting it. I guess we're done here.

[lx_theo]

sth128 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

It takes nothing away.

The violating comment in itself is absurd, and the rest are mostly ridiculous in themselves. Food changes too, obviously. Of course you can have children (kills the point of having any DNA or new DNA if it was taken away). Medical knowledge would probably have to be revamped, though most would stay the same because as the ending shows there are minimal changes made to people. Most of the rest of that is idiotic at best.

So synthesis makes a specific yet general change to all life forms in the galaxy. It takes nothing away while completely changing your DNA. It is suppose to solve the synthetic / organic conflict but everyone still has their free will and their views of each other have not changed.

Oh and btw, the organics just put a bit of themselves in all synthetics, without warning or permission. Yup, that won't start any conflict at all. Never.

Hey dude, I think I'm gonna go synthesis on your wallet and merge your cash with my own. You understand right?

Yeah, you keep thinking that.

I'll give you one word to help you understand... Empathy.

[chuckles471]

iakus wrote...

chuckles471 wrote...

Sorry, but changing human DNA (all DNA) is horrendous.

DNA makes you as a person, you are the product millions and millions of years of generations of animals conquering nature(making new niches), just to pass on their DNA just to make you.  And for Shepard to survive all that crap and go "yes let's give up every thing that makes us human", is just BS.

"Is submission not preferable to extinction?"  

It is extinction, your DNA will not be passed on to a new genertion but the catalysts ideal DNA will be put into you like some kind of sex parasite.  Yes, that means they win at "survival of the fittest" and we as a race are weeded out.

[GHNR]

DJBare wrote...

*sighs* The fundamental is that you are playing god by choosing synthesis, it does not matter the outcome, you are choosing the destiny for an "entire" galaxy, humanoids, aliens, plants, you are playing god, So please, stop making the silly threads about the Synthesis option.

You do realize you tend to play god alot of the time during the series. You get to destroy entire species from your choices.

[Muhkida]

The problem right now OP, is that you've actually admitted that your POV in synthesis is an interpretation, and not concrete. Yet at the same time, you bash other people's comments and how they perceived the synthesis ending....hence someone's earlier mention of your God complex.

So people will either think you're a troll, or you have a confirmation bias the size of the Great Wall.

[lx_theo]

Zuka999 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

You're an idiot. Of course I know how DNA works. I'm not in grade school.

Ever think that a cross would be a combination of DNA and the synthetic method of existence that doesn't require DNA?

You can say that you know it all you want, but it doesn't make it true. You have yet to demonstrate any understanding of these concepts. You just keep asserting that it works as if we're supposed to accept such a huge pile of bulls#!t presented as one throwaway line in the last couple of minutes of the story. Enlighten us, oh mighty lx_theo, as to exactly how this one pulse of energy works its magic.

How does it create organic matter where there is none? How does it create synthetic parts where there are none? How does one single pulse understand how to cope with every possible variation of DNA (and any alien equivalents) it will encounter? How does it modify DNA such that the reproductive process will produce cyborg offspring (otherwise they'll be back to organics in one generation)? How does it do this all flawlessly when one random mutation in the wrong gene can cause fatal birth defects? How will the resulting beings still look and act like the races they came from when a 2% difference is all that separates us from chimps? How will the offspring's body intake synthetic "food," then break it down and use it to build synthetic parts (otherwise they would be all organic)? How does all of this happen in the blink of an eye? Even if you could come up with a cross between synthetics and human DNA, how does modifying the DNA in the cells of already existing humans not screw up the delicate and heavily interdependent processes which are necessary to continue living... which depend on reading instructions from human DNA? When an important bodily function goes looking for instructions in the cells' DNA and finds something else in their place, how is the organism going to cope with that?

Feel free to go into as much detail as possible... since you say you understand how it all works. I eagerly await an explanation as to how this ending is anything more than a patently ridiculous idea which was supposed to come off as high-minded and philosophical... but fell flat on its face.

@x_theo
Hey, bro, stop ignoring the post that actually challenges your assertions. I know its inconvenient, but you're already a terrible troll so just do us a favor and either:

1. Admit you have no idea what you're talking about or
2. Actually prove your assertions that you know Synthesis could somehow work.

You literally can't do number 2, so lets just get this over with shall we?

I never claimed to know how Synthesis would work in detail. In fact, IU have repeated on NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS THAT I HAVE NOT DONE THAT. Yeah, I'm the troll...

The point was never that I could show an in depth explanation of Synthesis, but that any reasonable way that Synthesis could be explained is if the change made as minute difference as possible, in contrast to others who claim outrageous changes as facts.

So take that stick out your butt and beat yourself with it, because you seem to be out of ammo.

So you actually have no answers and Synthesis does make no sense! Okay, thanks for more or less admitting it. I guess we're done here.

*facepalm*

No, you just are incapable of reading what I've wrote across here.

[CDHarrisUSF]

lx_theo wrote...

senior in high school

[sth128]

Pockydon wrote...

sth128 wrote...

The real question: if Joker decides to bang a Verran, will he get a digital version of scale itch?

Well, technically he will be banging himself, but in a different shape (exact same DNA you see)

So it's like some kind of... cyber-auto-beastiality?

OMG the possibilities are limitless! Screw speculation, commence the copulation!

Copulation for everyone!!!

[Bfler]

Minnakht wrote...


Hybrids could possibly take the best of both worlds and think in a superior manner. 

So it is some kind of "Ubermensch"?

[Peranor]

So what lx_theo is trying to say is forcing synthesis on an entire galaxy is ok because it changes nothing?

[Iakus]

chuckles471 wrote...

iakus wrote...

chuckles471 wrote...

Sorry, but changing human DNA (all DNA) is horrendous.

DNA makes you as a person, you are the product millions and millions of years of generations of animals conquering nature(making new niches), just to pass on their DNA just to make you.  And for Shepard to survive all that crap and go "yes let's give up every thing that makes us human", is just BS.

"Is submission not preferable to extinction?"  

It is extinction, your DNA will not be passed on to a new genertion but the catalysts ideal DNA will be put into you like some kind of sex parasite.  Yes, that means they win at "survival of the fittest" and we as a race are weeded out.

Just thought I'd toss that Saren quote out there since he thought that having the strengths of both and the weaknesses of neither woiuld be a good idea too.

Of course, he was indoctrinated at the time, and never met the ollectors.

reapers.  Collectors.  Synthesis.  Hmm...

[Peranor]

Muhkida wrote...

The problem right now OP, is that you've actually admitted that your POV in synthesis is an interpretation, and not concrete. Yet at the same time, you bash other people's comments and how they perceived the synthesis ending....hence someone's earlier mention of your God complex.

So people will either think you're a troll, or you have a confirmation bias the size of the Great Wall.

+1

[lx_theo]

Muhkida wrote...

The problem right now OP, is that you've actually admitted that your POV in synthesis is an interpretation, and not concrete. Yet at the same time, you bash other people's comments and how they perceived the synthesis ending....hence someone's earlier mention of your God complex.

So people will either think you're a troll, or you have a confirmation bias the size of the Great Wall.

I'm bashing incoherent and hypocritical interpretations.

For obvious reasons, the change synthesis makes would have to be minimal to each species involed, not stuff like how some proclaimed changes like people being Cyborg from Teen Titans or something.

I bash the interpretations that claim it makes no sense, when they themselves are causing much of that in the first place.

[Cobretti ftw]

lx_theo wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

You're an idiot. Of course I know how DNA works. I'm not in grade school.

Ever think that a cross would be a combination of DNA and the synthetic method of existence that doesn't require DNA?

You can say that you know it all you want, but it doesn't make it true. You have yet to demonstrate any understanding of these concepts. You just keep asserting that it works as if we're supposed to accept such a huge pile of bulls#!t presented as one throwaway line in the last couple of minutes of the story. Enlighten us, oh mighty lx_theo, as to exactly how this one pulse of energy works its magic.

How does it create organic matter where there is none? How does it create synthetic parts where there are none? How does one single pulse understand how to cope with every possible variation of DNA (and any alien equivalents) it will encounter? How does it modify DNA such that the reproductive process will produce cyborg offspring (otherwise they'll be back to organics in one generation)? How does it do this all flawlessly when one random mutation in the wrong gene can cause fatal birth defects? How will the resulting beings still look and act like the races they came from when a 2% difference is all that separates us from chimps? How will the offspring's body intake synthetic "food," then break it down and use it to build synthetic parts (otherwise they would be all organic)? How does all of this happen in the blink of an eye? Even if you could come up with a cross between synthetics and human DNA, how does modifying the DNA in the cells of already existing humans not screw up the delicate and heavily interdependent processes which are necessary to continue living... which depend on reading instructions from human DNA? When an important bodily function goes looking for instructions in the cells' DNA and finds something else in their place, how is the organism going to cope with that?

Feel free to go into as much detail as possible... since you say you understand how it all works. I eagerly await an explanation as to how this ending is anything more than a patently ridiculous idea which was supposed to come off as high-minded and philosophical... but fell flat on its face.

@x_theo
Hey, bro, stop ignoring the post that actually challenges your assertions. I know its inconvenient, but you're already a terrible troll so just do us a favor and either:

1. Admit you have no idea what you're talking about or
2. Actually prove your assertions that you know Synthesis could somehow work.

You literally can't do number 2, so lets just get this over with shall we?

I never claimed to know how Synthesis would work in detail. In fact, IU have repeated on NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS THAT I HAVE NOT DONE THAT. Yeah, I'm the troll...

The point was never that I could show an in depth explanation of Synthesis, but that any reasonable way that Synthesis could be explained is if the change made as minute difference as possible, in contrast to others who claim outrageous changes as facts.

So take that stick out your butt and beat yourself with it, because you seem to be out of ammo.

So you actually have no answers and Synthesis does make no sense! Okay, thanks for more or less admitting it. I guess we're done here.

*facepalm*

No, you just are incapable of reading what I've wrote across here.

in fact he is right because what you have written makes noo sense at all.

[Subguy614]

The Geth aren't actually machines. Tali says it (again) on the Geth destroyer. The Geth are SOFTWARE.

How do you get DNA from software???

[DJBare]

lx_theo wrote...
Yeah, you keep thinking that.

I'll give you one word to help you understand... Empathy.

I'm baaaack, so now you are saying that because they share the same frame work DNA they will all be friends?

[Iakus]

DJBare wrote...

lx_theo wrote...
Yeah, you keep thinking that.

I'll give you one word to help you understand... Empathy.

I'm baaaack, so now you are saying that because they share the same frame work DNA they will all be friends?

Siblings fight like cats and dogs all the time.  How's sharing e-DNA gonna help the quarians and geth get along?

Modifié par iakus, 23 avril 2012 - 11:26 .

[Muhkida]

lx_theo wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

The problem right now OP, is that you've actually admitted that your POV in synthesis is an interpretation, and not concrete. Yet at the same time, you bash other people's comments and how they perceived the synthesis ending....hence someone's earlier mention of your God complex.

So people will either think you're a troll, or you have a confirmation bias the size of the Great Wall.

I'm bashing incoherent and hypocritical interpretations.

For obvious reasons, the change synthesis makes would have to be minimal to each species involed, not stuff like how some proclaimed changes like people being Cyborg from Teen Titans or something.

I bash the interpretations that claim it makes no sense, when they themselves are causing much of that in the first place.

That's your perspective, doesn't mean it's correct.

[ElSuperGecko]

lx_theo wrote...
So please, stop making the silly threads attacking the Synthesis option.

See, that's kind of the point.  Synthesis doesn't even need atacking,l because it is so painfully flawed that the only way anyone can justify it as a positive option is by closing their eyes, covering their ears and singing "la la la la it'll all be alright in the end."

We have a total lack of understanding about the entire Synthesis process and it's implications.  "Synthesis" was NEVER considered by either the Shepard and your allies or by the Illusive Man.  It's the Catalyst's proposal, the Catalyst's new "solution", and we know nothing about it or how it would work.

The Catalyst offers no explanations as to how it takes effect, the methodology or reasoning behind it.  We have no understanding of the science involved, the benefits, the drawbacks, the long term consequences.  For all we know at the point we make the decision, we could be husking the entire galaxy. And there's no way of knowing the answers to any of these questions as all we have to draw on is less than 60 seconds of sketchy dialogue.  All
we can do is make assumptions, guess, hypothesise and apparently hope.

All we know is the Catalyst's FIRST "solution" (whether there is actually a problem to solve in the first place is another matter worthy of debate) was harvesting all advanced organic life, and the cycle of extinction.  An abhorrent method we've been fighting against for three games.

So.  If this empirical evidence suggests that the Catalyst couldn't give a monkey's uncle about organics - any -organics - even if we ignore the horrifying moral implications of Synthesis, why should we accept that re-writing the genetic structure of all life in the galaxy into a form that the Catalyst itself sees fit will be in any way shape or form beneficial to us, our loved ones, our allies and friends?

We can't, simple as that. 

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 23 avril 2012 - 11:27 .

[Zuka999]

lx_theo wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

You're an idiot. Of course I know how DNA works. I'm not in grade school.

Ever think that a cross would be a combination of DNA and the synthetic method of existence that doesn't require DNA?

You can say that you know it all you want, but it doesn't make it true. You have yet to demonstrate any understanding of these concepts. You just keep asserting that it works as if we're supposed to accept such a huge pile of bulls#!t presented as one throwaway line in the last couple of minutes of the story. Enlighten us, oh mighty lx_theo, as to exactly how this one pulse of energy works its magic.

How does it create organic matter where there is none? How does it create synthetic parts where there are none? How does one single pulse understand how to cope with every possible variation of DNA (and any alien equivalents) it will encounter? How does it modify DNA such that the reproductive process will produce cyborg offspring (otherwise they'll be back to organics in one generation)? How does it do this all flawlessly when one random mutation in the wrong gene can cause fatal birth defects? How will the resulting beings still look and act like the races they came from when a 2% difference is all that separates us from chimps? How will the offspring's body intake synthetic "food," then break it down and use it to build synthetic parts (otherwise they would be all organic)? How does all of this happen in the blink of an eye? Even if you could come up with a cross between synthetics and human DNA, how does modifying the DNA in the cells of already existing humans not screw up the delicate and heavily interdependent processes which are necessary to continue living... which depend on reading instructions from human DNA? When an important bodily function goes looking for instructions in the cells' DNA and finds something else in their place, how is the organism going to cope with that?

Feel free to go into as much detail as possible... since you say you understand how it all works. I eagerly await an explanation as to how this ending is anything more than a patently ridiculous idea which was supposed to come off as high-minded and philosophical... but fell flat on its face.

@x_theo
Hey, bro, stop ignoring the post that actually challenges your assertions. I know its inconvenient, but you're already a terrible troll so just do us a favor and either:

1. Admit you have no idea what you're talking about or
2. Actually prove your assertions that you know Synthesis could somehow work.

You literally can't do number 2, so lets just get this over with shall we?

I never claimed to know how Synthesis would work in detail. In fact, IU have repeated on NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS THAT I HAVE NOT DONE THAT. Yeah, I'm the troll...

The point was never that I could show an in depth explanation of Synthesis, but that any reasonable way that Synthesis could be explained is if the change made as minute difference as possible, in contrast to others who claim outrageous changes as facts.

So take that stick out your butt and beat yourself with it, because you seem to be out of ammo.

So you actually have no answers and Synthesis does make no sense! Okay, thanks for more or less admitting it. I guess we're done here.

*facepalm*

No, you just are incapable of reading what I've wrote across here.

Oh, I can read.

"You're an idiot. Of course I know how DNA works. I'm not in grade school.

Ever think that a cross would be a combination of DNA and the synthetic method of existence that doesn't require DNA?"

When your assertions that you a. understand DNA and b. have a potential solution to this issue was challenged you retreated and backtracked saying:

"I never claimed to know how Synthesis would work in detail. In fact,
IU have repeated on NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS THAT I HAVE NOT DONE THAT."

Then why claim you understand how DNA works or offer up your own solution? Even the most basic understanding of DNA and or, more importantly, fundamental physics, would show you that Synthesis is not possible under any circumstances. Least of all ones presented to us previously in the course of the Mass Effect IP!

[ArchDuck]

DJBare wrote...

lx_theo wrote...
Yeah, you keep thinking that.

I'll give you one word to help you understand... Empathy.

I'm baaaack, so now you are saying that because they share the same frame work DNA they will all be friends?

Of course, that is why humans don't fight.

Modifié par ArchDuck, 23 avril 2012 - 11:27 .