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[Reorte]

lx_theo wrote...

And maybe you forget, but this is sci-fi. You can't walk 10 feet in ME without coming across omething that isn't actually possible.

Ah, the "It's sci-fi so anything goes" argument as an excuse to ignore a really ridiculous idea.

[lx_theo]

KingKhan03 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

lx_theo wrote...


Of course, there will always be people who hate others for being different like some already do in humanity against aliens, but that will be there in any scenario. This is about as big of a step as one can do.

You just utterly destroyed your entire argument in one sentence.

No, I didn't. But please, go ahead and ignore the rest of the post.

Thanks, it was quite easy to ignore the rest after reading that sentence, if you backpeddle anymore you will end up falling off.

Says the person who says Synthesis is playing God adn it is horrible to do it, but then goes on to play God while commiting Genocide. Lovely.

But in the end destoys the reapers which we will ignore completely right?

Because its not important? What's important is stopping what the Reapers are doing. If all you care about is revenge, then sure, pick destroy.

[RShara]

I stopped caring about this debate after about the first 20 people presented arguments of which I haven't actually seen any good refutation. Now it's just pure entertainment.

[ShepnTali]

ArikadOdakirA wrote...

lx_theo wrote...
I know how DNA works. If you really are suggesting I'm so stupid I don't... Feel free to meet up with me some time and I'll gladly punch your face in.

Synthesis: Serious business.

Whoa... stop debating, people. For your own safety!

[KingKhan03]

lx_theo wrote...

RShara wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

*facepalm*

No, you just are incapable of reading what I've wrote across here.

Oh, I can read.

"You're an idiot. Of course I know how DNA works. I'm not in grade school.

Ever think that a cross would be a combination of DNA and the synthetic method of existence that doesn't require DNA?"

When your assertions that you a. understand DNA and b. have a potential solution to this issue was challenged you retreated and backtracked saying:

"I never claimed to know how Synthesis would work in detail. In fact,
IU have repeated on NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS THAT I HAVE NOT DONE THAT."

Then why claim you understand how DNA works or offer up your own solution? Even the most basic understanding of DNA and or, more importantly, fundamental physics, would show you that Synthesis is not possible under any circumstances. Least of all ones presented to us previously in the course of the Mass Effect IP!

I know how DNA works. If you really are suggesting I'm so stupid I don't... Feel free to meet up with me some time and I'll gladly punch your face in.

DNA is a coding for genetic information. It stores information on genetics, and passes them on to children (life sustaining method). It uses mRNA to bring to ribosomes to construct proteins to build the body out of from amino acids. Robots and AI use codes too. Its a matter of combining the two things. The details of how exactly would be a WIP at best for me, but the important part is the emphasis on that it would effect each species as minimally as possible in their free will adn change in lifestyle.

And maybe you forget, but this is sci-fi. You can't walk 10 feet in ME without coming across omething that isn't actually possible.

Because name caling and threatening physical violence is such great proof of intelligence.

Good to know you got past the first paragraph.  

"I'll gladly punch you in your face"

[Leafs43]

 Synthetics have no DNA.  They are nothing but metal, plastic and software.

[lx_theo]

Reorte wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

And maybe you forget, but this is sci-fi. You can't walk 10 feet in ME without coming across omething that isn't actually possible.

Ah, the "It's sci-fi so anything goes" argument as an excuse to ignore a really ridiculous idea.

It is a bit exuberant, yes, but that doesn't make it stupid or anything.

[d-boy15]

I don' think destroy option is playing god, you destroy reaper threat and let galaxy choose
their fate with catalyst prediction which may happen or may not.

sound good, yes? until they hold geth as a cost of this choice.

[lx_theo]

ShepnTali wrote...

ArikadOdakirA wrote...

lx_theo wrote...
I know how DNA works. If you really are suggesting I'm so stupid I don't... Feel free to meet up with me some time and I'll gladly punch your face in.

Synthesis: Serious business.

Whoa... stop debating, people. For your own safety!

Telling me I don't know how DNA works constantly when its painfully obvious how it works isn't debating.

[Pockydon]

RShara wrote...

I stopped caring about this debate after about the first 20 people presented arguments of which I haven't actually seen any good refutation. Now it's just pure entertainment.

Entertainment is the only reason i'm still here. It's clear who the victor of this argument is, but watching the loser desperately try to salvage his argument is hilareous! 

[Skirlasvoud]

lx_theo wrote...

Reorte wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

And maybe you forget, but this is sci-fi. You can't walk 10 feet in ME without coming across omething that isn't actually possible.

Ah, the "It's sci-fi so anything goes" argument as an excuse to ignore a really ridiculous idea.

It is a bit exuberant, yes, but that doesn't make it stupid or anything.

It is however, illogical and makes for bad, bad storytelling.

[Zuka999]

lx_theo wrote...

I know how DNA works. If you really are suggesting I'm so stupid I don't... Feel free to meet up with me some time and I'll gladly punch your face in.

[Bigdoser]

So its okay to change the galaxy on a genetic level on the whim of the thing you just met? The very thing that has been wiping out civilizations for thousand's of years and turning people into husk soldiers and all the other nasty stuff. KK nothing wrong with that!

Modifié par Bigdoser, 24 avril 2012 - 02:55 .

[Candoo]

lx_theo wrote...

Because the kid is your only outlet of knowledge. If you don't trust him, its like picking where the coin is under from three differently colored cups. 

If you don't trust him on that, why trust that destroy will even destroy the reapers and not just send the paralyzation stasis the collectors used against every organic in the galaxy?

If you're not going to trust him, you can't pick and choose based on how you want to see the ending. 

Because, the starbrat kid is NOT your "only outlet of knowledge".

If you have played all three ME games, there has been a lot of info presented to you, and choices that you have had to make already, based on that info. With all that previously gathered knowledge, that is why NOTHING that Star Kid says, makes sense. I can't speak for you, but to me that sends up a red flag with me, that I CAN'T trust what he says as truth. I would prefer to walk away, but we're not given that option. HE wants you to choose SYNTHESIS ...... listen to him .. he is trying to coerce you to that choice, because it is the BEST outcome for HIM and his REAPER buddies. In doing so, THEY survive.

[Peranor]

Rudimentary creatures of blood, and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own.You cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I, am lx_theo

[sistersafetypin]

Sal86 wrote...

Synthesis plain doesn't make sense, no matter how you slice it.

Besides which, take a look at the cinematic. Plants and Joker clearly have physical differences, including apparent circuitry. It's not a logical leap, it's literally shown that they have synthetic parts.

This is why people say it turns people into cyborgs. Because it does. It was a half assed idea and now all we can do is speculate exactly how reprehensible foricibally stripping away people's idenity was

[ElSuperGecko]

d-boy15 wrote...
I don' think destroy option is playing god, you destroy reaper threat and let galaxy choose
their fate with catalyst prediction which may happen or may not.

sound good, yes? until they hold geth as a cost of this choice.

Not even that.  Destroy the Heretics in ME2 and side with the Quarians in ME3 and the Geth don't even factor into the equation.

[Reorte]

lx_theo wrote...

Reorte wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

And maybe you forget, but this is sci-fi. You can't walk 10 feet in ME without coming across omething that isn't actually possible.

Ah, the "It's sci-fi so anything goes" argument as an excuse to ignore a really ridiculous idea.

It is a bit exuberant, yes, but that doesn't make it stupid or anything.

It goes well beyond acceptable breaks from reality. All soft-ish science fiction does to a certain extent but it has to put in place its exceptions early on and set their limits, only extrapolating logically from those limits. That's why we can get away with the mass effect but not synthesis. The entire Crucible thing was pushing that limit anyway, even with Destroy (which is why the whole thing is so badly done). Control was the only somewhat plausible thing it could do.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I think the writers had this dream of becoming a skin-job cylon and came up with this "synthesis is a wonderful thing" idea.

The dead giveaway that it turns people into cyborgs is the circuitry on the skin surface.

The reality that the crucible's ability to do this is impossible is that you can't get around Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. <---linky

The other problem with doing synthesis is this.... did you ask me first? What if I said "no"? What gives you the right to make that choice against my will?

Synthesis does not destroy the reapers. We become like they are. Come on baby. Don't fear the reaper. We'll be able to fly. Don't fear the reaper. And there will be peace because Starbrat said so.

[lx_theo]

Candoo wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Because the kid is your only outlet of knowledge. If you don't trust him, its like picking where the coin is under from three differently colored cups. 

If you don't trust him on that, why trust that destroy will even destroy the reapers and not just send the paralyzation stasis the collectors used against every organic in the galaxy?

If you're not going to trust him, you can't pick and choose based on how you want to see the ending. 

Because, the starbrat kid is NOT your "only outlet of knowledge".

If you have played all three ME games, there has been a lot of info presented to you, and choices that you have had to make already, based on that info. With all that previously gathered knowledge, that is why NOTHING that Star Kid says, makes sense. I can't speak for you, but to me that sends up a red flag with me, that I CAN'T trust what he says as truth. I would prefer to walk away, but we're not given that option. HE wants you to choose SYNTHESIS ...... listen to him .. he is trying to coerce you to that choice, because it is the BEST outcome for HIM and his REAPER buddies. In doing so, THEY survive.

They constantly say that they don't understand how the crucible works. The Catalyst is the only one that does. Yes, he is the only outlet of knowledge on what will happen.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Then how do you explain the glowy eyes and effects, even on plants? Ot that they will become like Shepard, in StarBrat's own words? What else does it imply? Also, synthetics do not have an ''equivalent'' to DNA. There's nothing that can make a synthetic more organic, logic-wise. Unless the green beam magically attaches flesh to them. Obviously, this hasn't happenned to EDI; she just glows green. So what of it? How did she become more organic? How does everyone glowing green solve the Catalyst's problem? As far as we can tell, Joker is still a fleshbag, hell he still has Vrolik's Syndrome as he visibly limps. EDi is still made of metal. They just glow now. So, again, how in heaven's name does it solve the problem of the Catalyst?

[Muhkida]

lx_theo wrote...

Reorte wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

And maybe you forget, but this is sci-fi. You can't walk 10 feet in ME without coming across omething that isn't actually possible.

Ah, the "It's sci-fi so anything goes" argument as an excuse to ignore a really ridiculous idea.

It is a bit exuberant, yes, but that doesn't make it stupid or anything.

You're basically saying that anything is possible.  I can agree with that.

Now apply that to the outcome of synthesis:

Garrus: EDI, why is your green psuedo nanotech lining thing on your skin darker than mine?
EDI : I don't know the answer to that Garrus.
Garrus : I don't like it....

Anything is possible right?

[Reorte]

Giantdeathrobot wrote...

Then how do you explain the glowy eyes and effects, even on plants? Ot that they will become like Shepard, in StarBrat's own words? What else does it imply? Also, synthetics do not have an ''equivalent'' to DNA. There's nothing that can make a synthetic more organic, logic-wise. Unless the green beam magically attaches flesh to them. Obviously, this hasn't happenned to EDI; she just glows green. So what of it? How did she become more organic? How does everyone glowing green solve the Catalyst's problem? As far as we can tell, Joker is still a fleshbag, hell he still has Vrolik's Syndrome as he visibly limps. EDi is still made of metal. They just glow now. So, again, how in heaven's name does it solve the problem of the Catalyst?

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AWizardDidIt

[lx_theo]

Reorte wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Reorte wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

And maybe you forget, but this is sci-fi. You can't walk 10 feet in ME without coming across omething that isn't actually possible.

Ah, the "It's sci-fi so anything goes" argument as an excuse to ignore a really ridiculous idea.

It is a bit exuberant, yes, but that doesn't make it stupid or anything.

It goes well beyond acceptable breaks from reality. All soft-ish science fiction does to a certain extent but it has to put in place its exceptions early on and set their limits, only extrapolating logically from those limits. That's why we can get away with the mass effect but not synthesis. The entire Crucible thing was pushing that limit anyway, even with Destroy (which is why the whole thing is so badly done). Control was the only somewhat plausible thing it could do.

I'm pretty sure that's the point. A giant machine in which is part of technology so far beyond the time, that even the greatest minds in the galaxy can't figure out what it does.

If they did something less exuberant, people would complaining about how it was so simple and ask/complain (its inevitable on this forum) about how the galaxy's scientists didn't figure that out.

I'm not saying they couldn't have done a better job in tying it to the universe, only that its apporpiate that it seems a world adn a half beyond their current technology.

[DJBare]

lx_theo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Says the person who says Synthesis is playing God adn it is horrible to do it, but then goes on to play God while commiting Genocide. Lovely.

There is a difference between playing god and choosing a difficult path, you took the easy way out.

No, both are playing God. Playing god is when you choose the fate of the galaxy for them. All the choices do this, whether you want to flail and try to claim your choice isn't or not.

You have an odd perception of things, I had to make a difficult choice which did not involve the violation of the entire galaxy, that left me with control or destroy, control was never going to be on the cards for my paragon Shepard, it violated his principles, besides Shepard had already told TIM that control was a fools errand, synthesis presented me with the option to violate ALL life forms in the galaxy, again that goes against the principles of my paragon Shepard who stresses self determination, if I chose synthesis then I contradict self determination, so I'm left with destroy and the risk of losing friends, it is the only option left if I am to stick by my paragons principles.