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[dreman9999]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Do you have proof of this or if the end really happened?

Do you have proof that says otherwise?

The fact that we are dealing with machines with an expanded history of deception.

Modifié par dreman9999, 23 avril 2012 - 09:13 .

[NoUserNameHere]

lx_theo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

*sighs* The fundamental is that you are playing god by choosing synthesis, it does not matter the outcome, you are choosing the destiny for an "entire" galaxy, humanoids, aliens, plants, you are playing god, So please, stop making the silly threads about the Synthesis option.

Are you saying destroy and control don't do this, too? Choosing to wipe out an entire section of life? Choosing to enslave one of the most powerful forces in the galaxy?

The ending itself is choosing a fate for the galaxy, no matter what you choose. Its not like you're leaving it up for a vote. 

... and that forced downer Deus Ex Machina, that devil from the machine, is just one reason of many why BSN hates the ending sequence.

[Sal86]

lx_theo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

*sighs* The fundamental is that you are playing god by choosing synthesis, it does not matter the outcome, you are choosing the destiny for an "entire" galaxy, humanoids, aliens, plants, you are playing god, So please, stop making the silly threads about the Synthesis option.

Are you saying destroy and control don't do this, too? Choosing to wipe out an entire section of life? Choosing to enslave one of the most powerful forces in the galaxy?

The ending itself is choosing a fate for the galaxy, no matter what you choose. Its not like you're leaving it up for a vote. 

Well yes, that's the problem. All 3 options are morally reprehensible and yet we have no choice but to choose one (critical mission failure does not count as an ending). Many people just happen to feel that synthesis is the worst of the 3.

[KingKhan03]

lx_theo wrote...

I suspect many people will ignore this thread because it doesn't let them vent and whine about the ending.

Credibility Lost.

[-Area51-Silent]

lx_theo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

*sighs* The fundamental is that you are playing god by choosing synthesis, it does not matter the outcome, you are choosing the destiny for an "entire" galaxy, humanoids, aliens, plants, you are playing god, So please, stop making the silly threads about the Synthesis option.

Are you saying destroy and control don't do this, too? Choosing to wipe out an entire section of life? Choosing to enslave one of the most powerful forces in the galaxy?

The ending itself is choosing a fate for the galaxy, no matter what you choose. Its not like you're leaving it up for a vote. 

Thats why the endings are all crap! no matter what you choose its all morally wrong! its not a moral dilema, its just "hmm, which terrible thing should I do"

[Nobrandminda]

If your interpretation is true, then Synthesis accomplished nothing.  If the diversity has been preserved, then none of the underlying problems have actually been addressed.  All of the same problems exist, it's just that now everybody glows in the dark.

So sythesis is either horrifying or useless.  I'm inclined to say useless anyway since the new hybrid life forms could still create purely synthetic beings.  All we've done is turned the inevitable organic/synthetic conflict into the inevitable hybrid/synthetic conflict.

[lx_theo]

KingKhan03 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

I suspect many people will ignore this thread because it doesn't let them vent and whine about the ending.

Credibility Lost.

I also said this in the OP, so I'm so happy you actually read. Credibility lost. 

[FatalX7.0]

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Do you have proof of this or if the end really happened?

Do you have proof that says otherwise?

The fact that we are dealing with machines with an expanded history of deception.

Then why is everyone green if it didn't happen.

What did happen.

[Oldbones2]

lx_theo wrote...

 Why do people think that Synthesis would make organics cyborgs or something along those lines? It makes no sense that people would be forced into a cyborg form. In fact, it makes so little sense that it also doesn't make sense that anyone would think that's what it meant. A bit... perplexing, I must say.

The Catalyst told of how synthesis would create a new DNA. He said nothing about how it would alter the physical forms of anyone. What does make sense is that if Synthesis only effects DNA and Sythetic's equivalent. They would be merged to create one fundamental building block of life rather than the two distinctly different ones that were there before. A Geth would simply be another species, like a Human is to a Turian. This is actually the only way it can make sense. If people were transformed into synthetics or cyborgs or something along those lines, it destroys the ability to write a future story coming after because of the huge variation it would force. People still have their free will. They still have their individuality. They are still who they are. The only logical interpretations of synthesis would be ones that change species at such a fundamental level that it can put them on the same playing field without changing the uniqueness of each species and individual. Any interpretation that does not take this in account will not make sense. I don't really understand why anyone would think those to be true. Maybe they are so bitter at the ending they choose to look for the interpretation they can hate on the most?

So please, stop making the silly threads attacking the Synthesis option.

Well, you just proven me wrong.

I mean sure you didn't produce any evidence or even use some quotes but hey, you don't need that.  We'll just assume your word is intrinsically worth more than mine.


Seriously though, go to wikipedia (since public school has obviously failed you) look up the following terms, biology, DNA, machine, robot, synthetic, synthetic DNA

Also if you have time.  Physics.

[Kath]

"No glands, replaced by tech. No digestive system, replaced by tech. No soul, replaced by tech."

— Dr. Mordin Solus

[DJBare]

lx_theo wrote...
Are you saying destroy and control don't do this, too? Choosing to wipe out an entire section of life? Choosing to enslave one of the most powerful forces in the galaxy?

The ending itself is choosing a fate for the galaxy, no matter what you choose. Its not like you're leaving it up for a vote. 

No, you do not rewrite the entire galaxy with destroy, you may lose synthetics if the catalyst is to be believed, and personally I see control as being a dictator, neither one of these rewrites the "entire" galaxy.

[T-Raks]

Reapers are a synthesis between organic and synthetic life. I doubt the will of anyone killed to become a reaper is still there. Rewriting the DNA of all life might not be as cruel as the old reaper way, but it is still against the will of every individual (the exact thing that Shepard fights for) and it changes what/who you are. It is what the catalyst, the leader of the reapers (your foe), tries to talk you into and you still believe it's a cool thing and the way to go? Right, the indoctrination attempt worked...

If not everyone sees that Shepard is fighting for everyone to strive for their own destination and not getting the will of others imposed on oneself (i.e. it's a no-go for him to do that to others), what can we do other than telling that the crucial test is to withstand the catalysts arguments?

[legion999]

A cyborg is a being with both biological and artificial parts. So yes everyone is now a cyborg.

[Ishiken]

The Synthesis ending clearly shows that the physical appearance of the characters have been altered. Joker visibly has green circuitry flowing through his entire body. Assuming that Joker is an example of the rule and not an exception, we can extrapolate that every organic being is changed in this way.

So what's postulate a second question: what happens when a person suddenly wakes up to find themselves and everyone that they know suddenly changed and their DNA suddenly eradicated and replaced? I highly doubt that entire species would just accept the physical change and just go about their business. Think about the Yahg, who has no knowledge of the Reaper War, suddenly wake up to find their DNA and themselves changed. Now extrapolate the Yahg to include all pre-space flight organic species, and you think those species will just accept the change. Synthesis basically says that the player is God and the Reaper were right all along.

[dreman9999]

Another thing to bring up it that synthesis solves nothing. What's stopping the organic/synthetic hybrids from making more pure synthetics?

[Taboo]

Katherine wrote...

"No glands, replaced by tech. No digestive system, replaced by tech. No soul, replaced by tech."

— Dr. Mordin Solus

THIS.

[KingKhan03]

lx_theo wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

I suspect many people will ignore this thread because it doesn't let them vent and whine about the ending.

Credibility Lost.

I also said this in the OP, so I'm so happy you actually read. Credibility lost. 

I think you're missing the point much like your theory on synthesis, Credibility lost because when no one answered your troll thread you immediately took to taunting people to get noticed.

[Manton-X2]

lx_theo wrote...
The Catalyst told of how synthesis would create a new DNA. He said nothing about how it would alter the physical forms of anyone.

Not sure what's perplexing to you.  The idea that syntehsis is changing every organic and synthetic thing in the galaxy is pretty clearly shown in the game itself, in the final cinematic.  I'm kind of perplexed how you missed Jokers glowing eyes as well as the same glowing circuitry patterns not only on his arms but EDI's and on every tree and plant in the jungle.  That choice fundamentally changes every single organic and synthetic thing in the galaxy.  And since plants aren't self aware, it isn't even just sapient species ... it's every single organic or synthetic thing in the galaxy.

What a horrific and sickening thought that the "best" outcome is to wipe out billions of years of natural evolution and diversity for this, at the whim of one single human being.  How insulting.

[sth88]

DJBare wrote...

*sighs* The fundamental is that you are playing god by choosing synthesis, it does not matter the outcome, you are choosing the destiny for an "entire" galaxy, humanoids, aliens, plants, you are playing god, So please, stop making the silly threads about the Synthesis option.

Yep.

Also keep in mind that since it cannot be proven that synthetics and organics will always be at war, synthesis is a "solution" to a problem that doesn't exist.

[lx_theo]

Nobrandminda wrote...

If your interpretation is true, then Synthesis accomplished nothing.  If the diversity has been preserved, then none of the underlying problems have actually been addressed.  All of the same problems exist, it's just that now everybody glows in the dark.

So sythesis is either horrifying or useless.  I'm inclined to say useless anyway since the new hybrid life forms could still create purely synthetic beings.  All we've done is turned the inevitable organic/synthetic conflict into the inevitable hybrid/synthetic conflict.

Uh.... No. It makes it better because it becomes like having a new alien around instead of a very different AI. The diversity becomes what it was before with creatures like the Asari, Turian, Humans, etc... Just now tih Synthetics joining that group.

[FatalX7.0]

dreman9999 wrote...

Another thing to bring up it that synthesis solves nothing. What's stopping the organic/synthetic hybrids from making more pure synthetics?

Because they lose their personality and get bored of life.

I mean look, they don't even cheer when the Reapers stop attacking like in the other two endings.

[Daedalus1773]

Zuka999 wrote...

Synthetics don't have DNA

"Shields out."

[Nuchy]

OP it still doesnt fix the problem. 

How does everyone having the same DNA fix the "problem" of synthetics rising up and destroying organics?

[essarr71]

Synthesis only works as it's intended if it creates one new race. If species retain their individuality then you've changed nothing to end conflict.

At best it's the destruction of all culture. At worst it's evolution rape with no conflict resolution.

Modifié par essarr71, 23 avril 2012 - 09:20 .

[lx_theo]

KingKhan03 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

I suspect many people will ignore this thread because it doesn't let them vent and whine about the ending.

Credibility Lost.

I also said this in the OP, so I'm so happy you actually read. Credibility lost. 

I think you're missing the point much like your theory on synthesis, Credibility lost because when no one answered your troll thread you immediately took to taunting people to get noticed.

Right... "Troll" thread. Maybe you should actually read?