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[legion999]

Manton-X2 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...
The Catalyst told of how synthesis would create a new DNA. He said nothing about how it would alter the physical forms of anyone.

Not sure what's perplexing to you.  The idea that syntehsis is changing every organic and synthetic thing in the galaxy is pretty clearly shown in the game itself, in the final cinematic.  I'm kind of perplexed how you missed Jokers glowing eyes as well as the same glowing circuitry patterns not only on his arms but EDI's and on every tree and plant in the jungle.  That choice fundamentally changes every single organic and synthetic thing in the galaxy.  And since plants aren't self aware, it isn't even just sapient species ... it's every single organic or synthetic thing in the galaxy.

What a horrific and sickening thought that the "best" outcome is to wipe out billions of years of natural evolution and diversity for this, at the whim of one single human being.  How insulting.

I'm worried that plants have these upgrades. Will they become sentient? What about micro-organisms? Oh wait I forgot speculations.

[DJBare]

lx_theo wrote...

Uh.... No. It makes it better because it becomes like having a new alien around instead of a very different AI. The diversity becomes what it was before with creatures like the Asari, Turian, Humans, etc... Just now tih Synthetics joining that group.

Oh I hate to rain on your parade, but if you are expecting future stuff relating to the outcomes, then I sadly have to inform you that only the destroy option is flagged in the game script.

[Vox Draco]

Nah...Synthesis again...

Please...at first it just made me sick thinking to "rewrite" the entire Galaxy's DNA and stuff...but by now, it only makes me laugh...

I mean even if I somehow believe that Asari and Humans and so on get some weird kind of synthetic DNA (whatever that is supposed to happen anyway)...how do you do that for...the Geth? The Geth are considered synthetics, but they are basically only sentient program...how do you add organic DNA to that?

No, I stop thinking about this...all you need to know is that you'll get half-synthetic fish, ants, cats, varren, trees and mushrooms in the end...ahem...*giggles* no, Spacekid is just making fun of us with that option, all it wants is that Shepard jumps into that laser to get rid of her...

[lx_theo]

DJBare wrote...

lx_theo wrote...
Are you saying destroy and control don't do this, too? Choosing to wipe out an entire section of life? Choosing to enslave one of the most powerful forces in the galaxy?

The ending itself is choosing a fate for the galaxy, no matter what you choose. Its not like you're leaving it up for a vote. 

No, you do not rewrite the entire galaxy with destroy, you may lose synthetics if the catalyst is to be believed, and personally I see control as being a dictator, neither one of these rewrites the "entire" galaxy.

Rewriting the galaxy isn't the only method of playing god... 

[MisterJB]

DJBare wrote...

*sighs* The fundamental is that you are playing god by choosing synthesis, it does not matter the outcome, you are choosing the destiny for an "entire" galaxy, humanoids, aliens, plants, you are playing god, So please, stop making the silly threads about the Synthesis option.

No, the outcome is the only thing that matters. Not how it came to be.
If, in time, Synthesis leads to the improvement of all life in galaxy. Immortality, true peace and understanding, etc, why does it matter if Shepard is playing god? It would still be a better galaxy regardless.

[KingKhan03]

Also let's do what Saren wanted to all along!!

[Ishiken]

lx_theo wrote...
Are you saying destroy and control don't do this, too? Choosing to wipe out an entire section of life? Choosing to enslave one of the most powerful forces in the galaxy?

The ending itself is choosing a fate for the galaxy, no matter what you choose. Its not like you're leaving it up for a vote. 

You do not play God with any of the other choices. You are destroying the Reapers or controlling the Reapers, because they are threatening to eradicate every space flight organic species. You are targetting the enemy. The geth dying as a result of destroy is the same choice if you choose to save the Rachni Queen at the cost of Aralakh Company's life or when you choose to side with either the Quarians or the Geth.

[KingKhan03]

lx_theo wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

I suspect many people will ignore this thread because it doesn't let them vent and whine about the ending.

Credibility Lost.

I also said this in the OP, so I'm so happy you actually read. Credibility lost. 

I think you're missing the point much like your theory on synthesis, Credibility lost because when no one answered your troll thread you immediately took to taunting people to get noticed.

Right... "Troll" thread. Maybe you should actually read?

No I read it was a good topic but then you resorted to calling people whiners and bitter, how about debating people without insulting them? it's a new concept to you i'm sure.

Modifié par KingKhan03, 23 avril 2012 - 09:24 .

[TheOptimist]

I dislike it because it's the ultimate eugenics program. 'The chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework, a new DNA,' is what he said. No matter what people would have wanted, what choices THEY have made, you are altering them at a molecular level to 'improve' them, whether they wanted it or not. It's completely antithetical to free choice, and my Shep would never inflict that on the galaxy.

[DJBare]

MisterJB wrote...
No, the outcome is the only thing that matters. Not how it came to be.
If, in time, Synthesis leads to the improvement of all life in galaxy. Immortality, true peace and understanding, etc, why does it matter if Shepard is playing god? It would still be a better galaxy regardless.

I'll answer by saying I personally do not want or accept having my DNA re-written, now you counter my statement.

[MisterJB]

KingKhan03 wrote...

Also let's do what Saren wanted to all along!!

It didn't take long for someone to bring up fallacy by association.
Saren also cured the genophage.

[Ishiken]

MisterJB wrote...

DJBare wrote...

*sighs* The fundamental is that you are playing god by choosing synthesis, it does not matter the outcome, you are choosing the destiny for an "entire" galaxy, humanoids, aliens, plants, you are playing god, So please, stop making the silly threads about the Synthesis option.

No, the outcome is the only thing that matters. Not how it came to be.
If, in time, Synthesis leads to the improvement of all life in galaxy. Immortality, true peace and understanding, etc, why does it matter if Shepard is playing god? It would still be a better galaxy regardless.

This is the same logic that the Star Child used to defend the Reaper's actions when they harvest all life. That organic civilizations ascend into Reaper form and it curbs the chaos and leads to order and a better galaxy.

The implication of synthesis is also staggering. What happens if every being becomes immortal? Will they still need sustainence? What happens to reproduction? What happens if every being is immortal, can reproduce and still requires resources? The galaxy would be plunged into a galactic war over planets and resources if all three is true.

Modifié par Ishiken, 23 avril 2012 - 09:28 .

[Jeb231]

Nuchy wrote...

OP it still doesnt fix the problem. 

How does everyone having the same DNA fix the "problem" of synthetics rising up and destroying organics?

Well since organics evolve to the super max top level of evolution both hybrids and synthetics can kill each others indefinitely neither winning nor losing until the universe expands and they all die.

That's the positive way to look at synthesis.

[MattFini]

DJBare wrote...

*sighs* The fundamental is that you are playing god by choosing synthesis, it does not matter the outcome, you are choosing the destiny for an "entire" galaxy, humanoids, aliens, plants, you are playing god, So please, stop making the silly threads about the Synthesis option.

Agreed.  Even Shepard finds this kinda ridiculous.

"I...don't know."

Modifié par MattFini, 23 avril 2012 - 09:26 .

[KingKhan03]

MisterJB wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

Also let's do what Saren wanted to all along!!

It didn't take long for someone to bring up fallacy by association.
Saren also cured the genophage.

Saren's cure was basically bypassing the breeding process entirely and creating Vat Krogan - Vat Krogan loyal to him only of course, He basically needed an army.

Modifié par KingKhan03, 23 avril 2012 - 09:27 .

[lx_theo]

KingKhan03 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

I suspect many people will ignore this thread because it doesn't let them vent and whine about the ending.

Credibility Lost.

I also said this in the OP, so I'm so happy you actually read. Credibility lost. 

I think you're missing the point much like your theory on synthesis, Credibility lost because when no one answered your troll thread you immediately took to taunting people to get noticed.

Right... "Troll" thread. Maybe you should actually read?

No I read it was a good topic but then you resorted to calling people whiners and bitter, how about debating people without insulting them? it's a new concept to you i'm sure.

Because that post was definitely part of my argument....  

[daecath]

My problem with synthesis isn't that you're playing god. You play god if you take over an entire race and enslave them (control) or commit mass genocide (destroy), so you're screwed no matter what you do.

My problem is that it's ****ing stupid. Yes, I'm going to jump into this space magic beam which is going to then shoot out a wave of energy that will magically convert to matter when it hits any life form.

WTF?

There's nothing that indicates that any society ever, including the ones that built the reapers, have ever had matter to energy transformation capabilities. So then how does this wave of energy suddenly create not only matter, but complex circuitry of the kind that we see on Joker? How would it create presumably organic components within the geth? Just... how? Of all the violations within the ending, this is by far the worst, and the most ridiculous, and the most useless. With out synthesis, you could easily get rid of the synthetics vs. organics premise. Without that premise, you could make the starbrat at least viable, if not palatable. Just dropping that one option, and all the assorted BS that is needed to justify its presence, would go a long way to fixing the ending.

[M Hedonist]

MisterJB wrote...

DJBare wrote...

*sighs* The fundamental is that you are playing god by choosing synthesis, it does not matter the outcome, you are choosing the destiny for an "entire" galaxy, humanoids, aliens, plants, you are playing god, So please, stop making the silly threads about the Synthesis option.

No, the outcome is the only thing that matters. Not how it came to be.
If, in time, Synthesis leads to the improvement of all life in galaxy. Immortality, true peace and understanding, etc, why does it matter if Shepard is playing god? It would still be a better galaxy regardless.

And what if it doesn't? You literally have no idea what effects Synthesis might have, the only thing the Catalyst tells you is some vague nonsense that you can't possibly base your decision on. This is literally playing god, doing something that could potentially destroy all life as we know it without knowing what consequences it might have.

[KingKhan03]

lx_theo wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

I suspect many people will ignore this thread because it doesn't let them vent and whine about the ending.

Credibility Lost.

I also said this in the OP, so I'm so happy you actually read. Credibility lost. 

I think you're missing the point much like your theory on synthesis, Credibility lost because when no one answered your troll thread you immediately took to taunting people to get noticed.

Right... "Troll" thread. Maybe you should actually read?

No I read it was a good topic but then you resorted to calling people whiners and bitter, how about debating people without insulting them? it's a new concept to you i'm sure.

Because that post was definitely part of my argument....  

Um no it wasn't your argument was that synthesis isn't what people are making it out to be correct?

[MattFini]

The dumb thing about the synthesis ending is that it can't prevent another Genophage, or other incident that causes disastrous in-fighting among organics.

Organics vs. Synthetics was never the only theme of MASS EFFECT, and to imply that all is suddenly well because of the green option is kinda short-sighted.

[TheOptimist]

lx_theo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

*sighs* The fundamental is that you are playing god by choosing synthesis, it does not matter the outcome, you are choosing the destiny for an "entire" galaxy, humanoids, aliens, plants, you are playing god, So please, stop making the silly threads about the Synthesis option.

Are you saying destroy and control don't do this, too? Choosing to wipe out an entire section of life? Choosing to enslave one of the most powerful forces in the galaxy?

Thus why all the endings suck, not just synthesis.  In my estimation destroy sucks the least, but I won't pretend I'm happy with it.

[legion999]

MisterJB wrote...

DJBare wrote...

*sighs* The fundamental is that you are playing god by choosing synthesis, it does not matter the outcome, you are choosing the destiny for an "entire" galaxy, humanoids, aliens, plants, you are playing god, So please, stop making the silly threads about the Synthesis option.

No, the outcome is the only thing that matters. Not how it came to be.
If, in time, Synthesis leads to the improvement of all life in galaxy. Immortality, true peace and understanding, etc, why does it matter if Shepard is playing god? It would still be a better galaxy regardless.

Understanding by removing our diversity? Peace when, unless the personalities of people are forcibly changed, individuals will want war or revenge? Immortality of every being in the galaxy so overcrowding will become a huge issue especially with a cured genophage? Sorry but no thank you.

[lx_theo]

Ishiken wrote...

lx_theo wrote...
Are you saying destroy and control don't do this, too? Choosing to wipe out an entire section of life? Choosing to enslave one of the most powerful forces in the galaxy?

The ending itself is choosing a fate for the galaxy, no matter what you choose. Its not like you're leaving it up for a vote. 

You do not play God with any of the other choices. You are destroying the Reapers or controlling the Reapers, because they are threatening to eradicate every space flight organic species. You are targetting the enemy. The geth dying as a result of destroy is the same choice if you choose to save the Rachni Queen at the cost of Aralakh Company's life or when you choose to side with either the Quarians or the Geth.

To play god is to choose the path o the universe forever and ever. Rewriting is just a method. You're still choosing how everything will be then from there on out.

[sirgippy]

I agree that it is not the Saren-style bastardization of synthesis in grotesque fashion. It is more of a cellular synthesis. That said, it is still insane and way too much space magic for an up until now relatively scientific setting, taking into account artistic liberties such as face masks, sounds in space, etc..

Modifié par sirgippy, 23 avril 2012 - 09:30 .

[MisterJB]

KingKhan03 wrote...
Saren's cure was basically bypassing the breeding process entirely and creating Vat Krogan - Vat Krogan loyal to him only of course, He basically needed an army.

Then, you admit that curing the genophage was not what was wrong with Saren's actions. What was wrong was what he intended to do with the cure.

So, why do you fail to make a distinction between Saren's Synthesis and Shepard's?
Or do you simply believe that the idea of "The strenght of both, the weaknesses of neither" is wrong and abject in any possible situation?