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[sammysoso]

If you alter someone's DNA, you are fundamentally changing them.

Also, synthetic life in the Mass Effect universe doesn't have DNA, so what would you be "combining?"

The whole notion of "final evolution" is pure idiocy. Evolution doesn't have some endpoint, not sure what science class the writers attended....

And why would Synthesis solve the problem of the created destroying the creator? We would still build things to make our lives easier after the ending, why wouldn't those things eventually rebel?

Synthesis is so stupid, it's appalling a professional writer would ever think that it works.

Modifié par sammysoso, 23 avril 2012 - 09:31 .

[lx_theo]

KingKhan03 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...


No I read it was a good topic but then you resorted to calling people whiners and bitter, how about debating people without insulting them? it's a new concept to you i'm sure.

Because that post was definitely part of my argument....  

Um no it wasn't your argument was that synthesis isn't what people are making it out to be correct?

Yeah... So apparently I was debating (against no one apparently), and insulting them for it.

[DJBare]

lx_theo wrote...

To play god is to choose the path o the universe forever and ever. Rewriting is just a method. You're still choosing how everything will be then from there on out.

Okay, it appears the other guy won't answer, maybe you will, I choose not to accept your synthesis gift, I choose to remain the individual that I am, your counter argument is?

[KingKhan03]

MisterJB wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...
Saren's cure was basically bypassing the breeding process entirely and creating Vat Krogan - Vat Krogan loyal to him only of course, He basically needed an army.

Then, you admit that curing the genophage was not what was wrong with Saren's actions. What was wrong was what he intended to do with the cure.

So, why do you fail to make a distinction between Saren's Synthesis and Shepard's?
Or do you simply believe that the idea of "The strenght of both, the weaknesses of neither" is wrong and abject in any possible situation?

But what information are we given that Shepard's synthesis is any different? the game ends with a green wave and that's it there is no information either way and that's why destroy seems like the best option.

Modifié par KingKhan03, 23 avril 2012 - 09:34 .

[crimzontearz]

you.....you do realize HOW DNA works right?

[Taboo]

Someone just pointed out to me that the Geth are programs. How do they have DNA if they can download to a consensus.

[M Hedonist]

MisterJB wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...
Saren's cure was basically bypassing the breeding process entirely and creating Vat Krogan - Vat Krogan loyal to him only of course, He basically needed an army.

Then, you admit that curing the genophage was not what was wrong with Saren's actions. What was wrong was what he intended to do with the cure.

So, why do you fail to make a distinction between Saren's Synthesis and Shepard's?
Or do you simply believe that the idea of "The strenght of both, the weaknesses of neither" is wrong and abject in any possible situation?

Again, how do you know that is what will happen? The point is that the only thing you get to know are some vague nonsensical statements from the Catalyst that can potentially mean anything. You cannot possibly know from that what will happen if you pick Synthesis. To blindly assume that Synthesis only does the best is completely foolish.

[ungodlike]

In one of the three endings the Reapers are gone, wasn't that the main goal? to rid the universe of genocidal synthetic/organic spaceships who destroy all other sentient life every 50 000 years? Synthesis doesn't solve that, control is debatable, destroy is the only way to be sure.

[lx_theo]

DJBare wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

To play god is to choose the path o the universe forever and ever. Rewriting is just a method. You're still choosing how everything will be then from there on out.

Okay, it appears the other guy won't answer, maybe you will, I choose not to accept your synthesis gift, I choose to remain the individual that I am, your counter argument is?

You are still the individual that you are.

A code is simply that. A code. If it says the same thing, than it makes no difference in who you are.

[KingKhan03]

lx_theo wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...


No I read it was a good topic but then you resorted to calling people whiners and bitter, how about debating people without insulting them? it's a new concept to you i'm sure.

Because that post was definitely part of my argument....  

Um no it wasn't your argument was that synthesis isn't what people are making it out to be correct?

Yeah... So apparently I was debating (against no one apparently), and insulting them for it.

What are you even talking about now? you made the thread to discuss with other people and then used insults to get your point across.

[translationninja]

...because the created won't rebell against the creator of the creator glows just as green as they do.

Whooooa that's deep brah!!!!

[Bfler]

MisterJB wrote...


If, in time, Synthesis leads to the improvement of all life in galaxy. Immortality, true peace and understanding, etc, why does it matter if Shepard is playing god? It would still be a better galaxy regardless.

Reminds me of a quote of Picard in Star Trek Generations:

"It's our mortality that defines us, Soran. It's the truth of our existence."

[MisterJB]

DJBare wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
No, the outcome is the only thing that matters. Not how it came to be.
If, in time, Synthesis leads to the improvement of all life in galaxy. Immortality, true peace and understanding, etc, why does it matter if Shepard is playing god? It would still be a better galaxy regardless.

I'll answer by saying I personally do not want or accept having my DNA re-written, now you counter my statement.

Why should your will or the will of any individual have any say in this matter?

[lx_theo]

crimzontearz wrote...

you.....you do realize HOW DNA works right?

Yes. 

Don't patronise me. This is under the assumption that synthesis works and does actually do as the starchild says... Make a single type of genetic coding that works for both syntheitics and organics.

[Oldbones2]

MisterJB wrote...

DJBare wrote...

*sighs* The fundamental is that you are playing god by choosing synthesis, it does not matter the outcome, you are choosing the destiny for an "entire" galaxy, humanoids, aliens, plants, you are playing god, So please, stop making the silly threads about the Synthesis option.

No, the outcome is the only thing that matters. Not how it came to be.
If, in time, Synthesis leads to the improvement of all life in galaxy. Immortality, true peace and understanding, etc, why does it matter if Shepard is playing god? It would still be a better galaxy regardless.

And thank god you and the Catalyst are there to decide for the rest of us just what merits improvement.

[T-Raks]

I forgot something important: choosing synthesis means that you give in to the reapers/the catalyst so they can rewrite all organic and synthetic life to their liking. You have no control of the outcome whatsoever. So clearly giving your fight against the reapers up and letting them decide what's best for the galaxy seems like the logical choice for Shepard. He/she should've chosen that road in ME1 then, just sitting at a beach drinking margaritas with Garrus while waiting for the reapers to chose what's best for the galaxy. That would've done the trick!

Modifié par T-Raks, 23 avril 2012 - 09:38 .

[Peranor]

Was it necessary to create a new thread about this? There is an ongoing thread about the unplesant implications of synthesis on the first page allready.


Oh and OP.
I see your speculations and raise you with 2 you just don't understand straw man arguments and 3 more much deeper speculations

Modifié par anorling, 23 avril 2012 - 09:37 .

[DJBare]

lx_theo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

To play god is to choose the path o the universe forever and ever. Rewriting is just a method. You're still choosing how everything will be then from there on out.

Okay, it appears the other guy won't answer, maybe you will, I choose not to accept your synthesis gift, I choose to remain the individual that I am, your counter argument is?

You are still the individual that you are.

A code is simply that. A code. If it says the same thing, than it makes no difference in who you are.

Not accepted, I want to remain precisely as I am, getting older and one day to die of  old age hopefully.

Modifié par DJBare, 23 avril 2012 - 09:36 .

[lx_theo]

KingKhan03 wrote...


What are you even talking about now? you made the thread to discuss with other people and then used insults to get your point across.

That post had nothing to do with my argument. It was an offshoot of me being annoying at the irrational ending hatred. Simply that. My point didn't have to do with why people thought it, only with how the popular interpreatation makes no sense.

Then you jumped in here and decided to try and attack me for 'debating people with insults'... or however you phrased it.

Modifié par lx_theo, 23 avril 2012 - 09:37 .

[M Hedonist]

lx_theo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

To play god is to choose the path o the universe forever and ever. Rewriting is just a method. You're still choosing how everything will be then from there on out.

Okay, it appears the other guy won't answer, maybe you will, I choose not to accept your synthesis gift, I choose to remain the individual that I am, your counter argument is?

You are still the individual that you are.

A code is simply that. A code. If it says the same thing, than it makes no difference in who you are.

How can you be certain of that? Synthesis is a complete wild card. From what the Catalyst tells us, it could potentially do anything. It may change us for the good, it may have some unpleasant drawbacks. No matter what you say, from the few lines we get from the Catalyst it is impossible to prove one or the other is unchallengeably right. Which is why you're playing gods. You're doing things you don't actually understand. The consequences are unpredictable. You cannot make a reasonable decision.

Modifié par Sauruz, 23 avril 2012 - 09:38 .

[M0keys]

MisterJB wrote...

DJBare wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
No, the outcome is the only thing that matters. Not how it came to be.
If, in time, Synthesis leads to the improvement of all life in galaxy. Immortality, true peace and understanding, etc, why does it matter if Shepard is playing god? It would still be a better galaxy regardless.

I'll answer by saying I personally do not want or accept having my DNA re-written, now you counter my statement.

Why should your will or the will of any individual have any say in this matter?

Because they're the ones you're changing in an attempt to save. if their opinions don't matter then you're no more moral than a computer program

[ShaggyWolf]

Yeah, I'm playing god in synthesis. But everyone in the galaxy benefits from my choice. Something is gained that could offset the loss of the relays and the citadel. Much better than committing genocide in destroy. I would wipe out the Geth, billions of sentient self aware life forms, and the Reapers, each of which represent a galactic civilization. Remember, the Reapers are victims of the cycle as well. I simply cannot understand how one could be willing to sacrifice so much, given alternatives. So, the way I see it, who cares if I play god?

[FJVP]

Just as you are assuming that everything will become better in time others have the right to assume that by picking synthesis everything will end up being messed up. Until some representative of the game states the consequences of such decision neither side is more correct than the other.

[DJBare]

Valadras21 wrote...

Yeah, I'm playing god in synthesis. But everyone in the galaxy benefits from my choice. Something is gained that could offset the loss of the relays and the citadel. Much better than committing genocide in destroy. I would wipe out the Geth, billions of sentient self aware life forms, and the Reapers, each of which represent a galactic civilization. Remember, the Reapers are victims of the cycle as well. I simply cannot understand how one could be willing to sacrifice so much, given alternatives. So, the way I see it, who cares if I play god?

Someone honest about their choice, very refreshing.

[Vox Draco]

Bfler wrote...

MisterJB wrote...


If, in time, Synthesis leads to the improvement of all life in galaxy. Immortality, true peace and understanding, etc, why does it matter if Shepard is playing god? It would still be a better galaxy regardless.

Reminds me of a quote of Picard in Star Trek Generations:

"It's our mortality that defines us, Soran. It's the truth of our existence."

And Picard...damn...how he would have ripped apart the little one's faulty logics and weird point of views...too bad noone is allowed to question the kiddy, not even the main protagonist of the series...