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[Captain Cornhole]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

They really do. I mean, I stuck with Liara from ME1, but damn, even if I hadn't in my brother's play through where he romanced Miranda, Liara was RIGHT THERE all teh time. Crazy.

It did the same thing on my canon I've had since ME1 was still a new-ish game. I romanced Ash, and I always had that profile that was faithful to her. Liara was still always there with Shepard, but I never saw it as a problem. She's like his best friend. She's the only character who cares about Shepard no matter what he does. I think her being important to the game makes sense. Even though I was with Ash, I was happy to have Liara there the entire time.

I don't mean to be hateing on Liara. But she really isn't terribly important to the game in my opinion, I think Tali, Legion, Garrus or Wrex are more important in terms of war assets or helping Shepard. Plus there are times were I can't stand her character. After Thessia, and thoughout Mass Effect 2.

I guess I'm just bias. 

She's the Shadow Broker, which in itself is a HUGE deal. Tali, Legion, Garrus, and Wrex can all be replaced in ME3, so it's obvious that what they did wasn't something only they could do. Liara is kept alive throughtout the series because she's important.

And after Thessia? She's upset that her people are being wiped out. Anyone would be. Even on my Ashley romance profile I felt terrible after that mission. It was a loss. Defeat. Bitter defeat I might add. She's a scientist, not a soldier. Death doesn't come naturally. Especially not in large numbers like that.

During ME2 she's just a Broker. I can't see how she could annoy you there, because she has very little to say. Lair of the Shadow Broker actually brings her back towards her old character. Shepard even calls her out for asking him to do meaningless tasks, and she doesn't know how to respond.

Yeah I guess your right on the Shadow broker thing, plus the whole prothean vision thing. But I guess I just felt indifferent after Thessia towards her character. Like all of a sudden she (and everyone else) is upset cause thessia got boom boomed, obviously ignoreing the situation on Palavin, Sol3, Tuchanka and Sur' Kesh. That part of her I didn't so much like. Including the attempted renegade Liara in ME2, that was just kinda a turn off for me. I like the ME 1 and non thessia liara better.

I thought the 2001/pinkfloyd scene with her in london though was toughing though.

[AlanC9]

Logan Cloud wrote...
Earth, Palaven, etc, where all losses. Thessia was a defeat.

They had the info they needed to end the war. They could've been done right then and there. It was all going to be over. Everyone was going to be saved.

And Cerberus f*cked it up.

If you and your crew didn't take that situation hard, you wouldn't have a soul. Especially with stakes so high.

This.

And even if this wasn't true, Thessia's her home planet. She's not allowed to take that more personally than losing Palaven or Earth?

[lillitheris]

Had to open a separate one for this? And on the wrong forum? Character & Romance not good enough?

I really hate the way they force the Liara hate on everyone…

Modifié par lillitheris, 24 avril 2012 - 03:26 .

[nocbl2]

Um....

No, I'm pretty sure they didn't since the only way you can get with her is if you had her in ME 1...

[tractrpl]

nocbl2 wrote...

Um....

No, I'm pretty sure they didn't since the only way you can get with her is if you had her in ME 1...

I didn't know that. If true then this information totally invalidates the OP's point.

[DeinonSlayer]

tractrpl wrote...

nocbl2 wrote...

Um....

No, I'm pretty sure they didn't since the only way you can get with her is if you had her in ME 1...

I didn't know that. If true then this information totally invalidates the OP's point.

Um... no. You can initiate a romance with any of the ME1 options in ME3. The ME2 options, not so much.

[JBONE27]

mmm buddah23 wrote...

So i am doing the whole relationship thing with ashley at the moment, and I talk to that matriarch in the Presidum commons, and she calls me Liaras boyfriends, SERIOUSLY, i never had a romantic subplot with liara in Me 1 - 3, it was Ashley, Miranda, and now Ashley, and somehow, she thinks Im Liara's boyfriend, wtf ? The writers in this game are REALLY absent minded, I;m telling you.

That's weird.  My guess is it's Bioware being rushed and/or lazy.  Either that or it's supposed to be kind of funny in that context.  My money is on rushed and/or lazy.  Also, this is coming from someone who adores Liara, and chose to do a lesbian romance with her and remain faithful throughout three games.  In my oppinion it was worth it because she was the only one who seemed like she did actually love you in a self-sacrificing kind of way... plus her love scene is the only one that had nudity.  Seriously, who takes a shower in their underware?

[Dendio1]

I remember my shepard saying he enjoyed Liara's pressure back in lair of the shadow broker

[tractrpl]

 Bioware's special pet? Given that you can treat her pretty badly I rather doubt that.

This is all just a result of Bioware being lazy. I also true that you can't initiate a romance with her if you didn't initiate one with her prior to the events of ME3, at least, according to the evidence. I'm doing a non-Liara playthrough right now. It'll take me awhile, but I'll try to initiate a romance with her in ME3 just to check it out.

[spirosz]

tractrpl wrote...

Bioware's special pet? Given that you can treat her pretty badly I rather doubt that.

This is all just a result of Bioware being lazy. I also true that you can't initiate a romance with her if you didn't initiate one with her prior to the events of ME3, at least, according to the evidence. I'm doing a non-Liara playthrough right now. It'll take me awhile, but I'll try to initiate a romance with her in ME3 just to check it out.

You treat her badly, she hugs you regardless in ME2, you ignore her, same ****, etc. The thing the OP mentioned is a bug, but it's a rather funny one, considering all the development put into her romance arc and character, compared to the rest, but that's just nitpicking - she is a great character, but IMO - she is forced to a point, regardless of past decisions - that's the problem. It's great for people who love Liara, but for those who don't and don't consider her a friend, it's a kick in the balls - plus... her face in my Shepard's flashback instead of Jack... artistic integrity!

[tractrpl]

spiros9110 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Bioware's special pet? Given that you can treat her pretty badly I rather doubt that.

This is all just a result of Bioware being lazy. I also true that you can't initiate a romance with her if you didn't initiate one with her prior to the events of ME3, at least, according to the evidence. I'm doing a non-Liara playthrough right now. It'll take me awhile, but I'll try to initiate a romance with her in ME3 just to check it out.

You treat her badly, she hugs you regardless in ME2, you ignore her, same ****, etc. The thing the OP mentioned is a bug, but it's a rather funny one, considering all the development put into her romance arc and character, compared to the rest, but that's just nitpicking - she is a great character, but IMO - she is forced to a point, regardless of past decisions - that's the problem. It's great for people who love Liara, but for those who don't and don't consider her a friend, it's a kick in the balls - plus... her face in my Shepard's flashback instead of Jack... artistic integrity!

Well, I don't hate any squadmate in the series and the thought that someone hates Liara enough that her hugging them makes them angry amuses me. Go Liara! 

[Vormaerin]

The Ashley dialogues are pretty messed up. There are multiple bugs associated with them. For instance, not having good relationship with Ashley disables the ambient Engineering dialogues.

I got the Aethyta confusion on my playthrough with Ashley as my LI, but not in some of my other playthroughs. So I wouldn't be surprised if there is some variable screwed up. The Liara in the final flashback instead of the LI is a known bug, too.

[andrew252]

cant blame a father for wanting the best for her daughter,when it comes down to it sheperds can either be the best or worst boyfriend in the universe

[tractrpl]

Vormaerin wrote...

The Ashley dialogues are pretty messed up. There are multiple bugs associated with them. For instance, not having good relationship with Ashley disables the ambient Engineering dialogues.

I got the Aethyta confusion on my playthrough with Ashley as my LI, but not in some of my other playthroughs. So I wouldn't be surprised if there is some variable screwed up. The Liara in the final flashback instead of the LI is a known bug, too.

So that's a bug? That seems more plausible.

[Beeno4Life]

She just has no sense of personal space whatsoever. Every time she would come into Shep's quarters unannounced I would always yell GTFO at my TV...

[Unit-Alpha]

Yay, this thread again.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 24 avril 2012 - 05:09 .

[HellbirdIV]

Heaven forbid a character in a game franchise doesn't know the actual story of that game franchise perfectly as the player observed it.

[RyuujinZERO]

2 Words: Eyeball R.ape

(The only person forcing Liara on you at the end of the game is Liara )

[DukeOfNukes]

Sound's like you're nitpicking here, but I can understand. The issue isn't so much that she said it, as you have no way to tell her that it's not the case. There's a large number of times that the game has similar issues. After Thessia, they forced Shepard into being a jerk. I was forced to kill unarmed people in cold blood. Heck...with Matriarch (Aethyta?), Shepard came across as kind of a jerk not 2 seconds after I proclaimed to myself out loud "I really like Liara's dad!"

[Sharn01]

I dont know, I guess it depends on if you like Liara or not, I personally felt they didnt touch on the romance enough if you already had a preexisting one, Liara pretty much ignores your past romance the entire game while every single other romance option throws themselves at Shepard repeatedly, you must reaffirm your desire to romance Liara multiple times before it picks back up again at the very end of the game.

Liara's dad was probably being over protective.

The ending flashback is hopefully a bug for those that didnt romance Liara, I hope it is anyway. Her presence is at least less craptastic then Joker always being in it regardless of how you treated him, or how you are forced to care about the kid all through the game. Shep has seen colonies destroyed regularly, not only in other ME games but in some of the backgrounds, while Bioware may not have shown kids in those scenareos for rating purposes, it doesnt change the fact that Shep has seen many children die on a regular basis throughout her career, why is this one so much more important then all the others?

[DaJe]

mmm buddah23 wrote...

A bug is when a texture does not load, THIS is a complete and utter oversight...

It is probably just a bug. There are so many conditions for dialog and cutscenes that mistakes are bound to happen.

[Bfler]

Sharn01 wrote...

The ending flashback is hopefully a bug for those that didnt romance Liara, I hope it is anyway.

It is not a bug. There are only video files for Anderson, Ashley, Kaidan, Joker and Liara in the game folder.