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[tractrpl]

diggisaur wrote...

Liara has always wanted to have blue babies with Shepard. She comes onto Shepard quite strong in ME1 and explains her motives for that in the Shadow Broker DLC in ME2. I am not surprised she is coming on that strong again in ME3, seeing as she returns as part of the crew. Liara even suggests that Ash and Kaidan might have a thing to keep you away from Ash.

If you romanced Tali in ME2, Liara admits she knew Tali had a thing for Shepard in ME1 (Tali later admits it was pretty much love at first sight with her for Shepard). Shepard asks Liara why she never told him and Liara says she didn't want the competition.

Simply put Liara knows what she wants and is very competitive.

Blue babies!

Except that when you're in a relationship with her, she comes to your cabin and says "we're friends, right?" <_<

Modifié par tractrpl, 29 avril 2012 - 02:58 .

[RocShemp]

DWH1982 wrote...

It reminds me of Conrad Verner in ME2.

Shame the never fixed that.

Or Garrus' face in ME1 (on PC).

[Naughty Bear]

tractrpl wrote...

diggisaur wrote...

Liara has always wanted to have blue babies with Shepard. She comes onto Shepard quite strong in ME1 and explains her motives for that in the Shadow Broker DLC in ME2. I am not surprised she is coming on that strong again in ME3, seeing as she returns as part of the crew. Liara even suggests that Ash and Kaidan might have a thing to keep you away from Ash.

If you romanced Tali in ME2, Liara admits she knew Tali had a thing for Shepard in ME1 (Tali later admits it was pretty much love at first sight with her for Shepard). Shepard asks Liara why she never told him and Liara says she didn't want the competition.

Simply put Liara knows what she wants and is very competitive.

Blue babies!

Except that when you're in a relationship with her, she comes to your cabin and says "we're friends, right?" <_<

Ugh. If she wants to dump Shep then do it, don't string him or her along. Poor Commander, atleast Tali shows genuine interest, Liara only shows interest during the final sex scene.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 29 avril 2012 - 03:43 .

[BobZilla84]

I like Liara but she does seem a little forced on you in Mass Effect 3 and I think Bioware intended it to be that way as well I mean The Big 5 Romances of Mass Effect 3 are Liara T'Soni,Ashley Williams,Kaiden Alenko,Garrus Vakarian & Tali'Zorah vas Neema. Bioware intentionally made Both Ashley/Kaiden's Romance Arcs really undesireable because all the mistrust crap and don't even get me Started on the whole Shabby Zaeed Dialog Treatment

Also they decided to make other Romances happen like Garrus/Tali and the Rumored Ashley/James Pairings and I have no problems in regards to other Romances but how funny is it that Liara has no Pairing besides Shepard maybe Javik but doubtful my point is even within the Big 5 Romances the Cards are stacked for Shepard/Liara and no one else.

But don't get me wrong I can see it from their POV as well the problem is that they had to many Love Intrest's come Mass Effect 3 and they had to decide who got the most depth and growth the Big 5 got the best but even among them Liara was definitely the most fully fleshed out Romance in Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par BobZilla 2k10, 29 avril 2012 - 04:46 .

[tractrpl]

They're giving you hints, I think. We always assumed that while playing KOTOR that Revan really could be ANY kind of human character, but there was only one "true" Revan, a male, who turned towards the light, and married Bastila (play Jedi Knight for SWTOR). (Remember those Bastila hate threads? Welcome to Bastila hate thread 2.0, only Bastila is an Asari named Liara.) Also, the exile is female, also went light side.

[BobZilla84]

My complaint is that Bioware does this stupid Bull**** The whole your Choices matter has become a mute point now as I said if Shepard/Liara was designed as the Canon Romance don't add lots of additional options if no matter what they will fall flat compared to Shepard/Liara thats all I am saying.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

She never really talked to me that much. Threre was that one mission she had to go on....the meeting mission....she wanted to talk one time.....and I think that was it.

Other than that, I had to go to her and talk.

[tractrpl]

You're choices matter, but only for you. Playing BW games is kinda like running through various "what if" scenarios. In the end, there will be a canonical path for your character. It happened in KOTOR, it'll happen with ME

[Han Shot First]

Naughty Bear wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

diggisaur wrote...

Liara has always wanted to have blue babies with Shepard. She comes onto Shepard quite strong in ME1 and explains her motives for that in the Shadow Broker DLC in ME2. I am not surprised she is coming on that strong again in ME3, seeing as she returns as part of the crew. Liara even suggests that Ash and Kaidan might have a thing to keep you away from Ash.

If you romanced Tali in ME2, Liara admits she knew Tali had a thing for Shepard in ME1 (Tali later admits it was pretty much love at first sight with her for Shepard). Shepard asks Liara why she never told him and Liara says she didn't want the competition.

Simply put Liara knows what she wants and is very competitive.

Blue babies!

Except that when you're in a relationship with her, she comes to your cabin and says "we're friends, right?" <_<

Ugh. If she wants to dump Shep then do it, don't string him or her along. Poor Commander, atleast Tali shows genuine interest, Liara only shows interest during the final sex scene.

Not true.

Liara shows interest at multiple points during the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC, during the Citadel scene in ME3 that locks in the Liara romance (where she says she wants to spend her life with Shepard), and during the 'flatterer' conversation.
 
She also shows interest in Shepard during the 'Name in the Stars' scene or the scene where she checks up on Shepard right after he's had a nightmare. While Shepards that didn't romance Liara also get those two scenes, Liara's motivation in both is arguably different. If in a romance with Shepard she is devoted to him because she loves him, if not romanced she is devoted to him as one of her closest friends.

The only problem with the Liara romance is that since she was also made available as a romance option for new players who hadn't played ME1 or ME2, her dialogue can occasionally be a little too accomodating of new players. So in the 'Name in the Stars' scene for example, she'll say that Shepard has been a good friend to her, instead of something more intimate. Even so, it isn't necessarily unrealistic or jarring to also call someone who is your lover your friend.

[Doofe2012]

I think Liara was sort of meant to be like a co-protagonist of the series. After all, she can't die unless your EMS is too low during the run to the beam, she's a possible love interest through all 3 games for both gender Shepards, she had her own DLC, etc. In ME3, the meeting with the Council after Mars, the whole Thessia mission, and the time capsule scene show this intention more than anything else.

[Ghost-621]

tractrpl wrote...

diggisaur wrote...


Blue babies!

Except that when you're in a relationship with her, she comes to your cabin and says "we're friends, right?" <_<

Man, even Shepard gets friendzoned by the ones he holds dearest. I'm sensing a vicious pattern here....

[tractrpl]

Han Shot First wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

diggisaur wrote...

Liara has always wanted to have blue babies with Shepard. She comes onto Shepard quite strong in ME1 and explains her motives for that in the Shadow Broker DLC in ME2. I am not surprised she is coming on that strong again in ME3, seeing as she returns as part of the crew. Liara even suggests that Ash and Kaidan might have a thing to keep you away from Ash.

If you romanced Tali in ME2, Liara admits she knew Tali had a thing for Shepard in ME1 (Tali later admits it was pretty much love at first sight with her for Shepard). Shepard asks Liara why she never told him and Liara says she didn't want the competition.

Simply put Liara knows what she wants and is very competitive.

Blue babies!

Except that when you're in a relationship with her, she comes to your cabin and says "we're friends, right?" <_<

Ugh. If she wants to dump Shep then do it, don't string him or her along. Poor Commander, atleast Tali shows genuine interest, Liara only shows interest during the final sex scene.

Not true.

Liara shows interest at multiple points during the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC, during the Citadel scene in ME3 that locks in the Liara romance (where she says she wants to spend her life with Shepard), and during the 'flatterer' conversation.
 
She also shows interest in Shepard during the 'Name in the Stars' scene or the scene where she checks up on Shepard right after he's had a nightmare. While Shepards that didn't romance Liara also get those two scenes, Liara's motivation in both is arguably different. If in a romance with Shepard she is devoted to him because she loves him, if not romanced she is devoted to him as one of her closest friends.

The only problem with the Liara romance is that since she was also made available as a romance option for new players who hadn't played ME1 or ME2, her dialogue can occasionally be a little too accomodating of new players. So in the 'Name in the Stars' scene for example, she'll say that Shepard has been a good friend to her, instead of something more intimate. Even so, it isn't necessarily unrealistic or jarring to also call someone who is your lover your friend.

Actually, from what I saw, if you didn't do the paragon interrupt at the right time, you won't be able to romance her in LotSB. Also, is that where the discrepency lies? According to the wiki, if you don't romance her in ME1, you can't romance her in ME3, but apparently people that never played ME1 can romance her? Interesting.

[Tom Lehrer]

tractrpl wrote...

Actually, from what I saw, if you didn't do the paragon interrupt at the right time, you won't be able to romance her in LotSB. Also, is that where the discrepency lies? According to the wiki, if you don't romance her in ME1, you can't romance her in ME3, but apparently people that never played ME1 can romance her? Interesting.

The wiki is wrong then. I did not romance her in any of my ME1 saves but still have the option to get with her in 3.

[Bluko]

Eh it's more they just didn't bother to include dialogue they should have. Garrus I guess mentions going places with you in ME1... even if you didn't recruit him in ME1. Some outstanding variable consideration going on there! Wait what's ME1? Oh yeah that game where I keep Wrex and or Ashley/Kaidan alive. Seriously those are like the only two things that matter from ME1. And maybe the Conrad subplot. Though that seems to be one of the few cases where ME3 is actually the game it should be.

Anywho I'll sum up all the romances:

Liara
Shepard:"Your blue and can have sex with my mind. I like that because it's kinky."
Liara:"I've waited my whole life  to bang a Proth- I mean you Commander! Oh and thanks for killing my Mom. She was such a beach sometimes I swear."

Ashley
Shepard:"Well I don't want to bang Blue Boobs and I saved your butt on Eden. So..."
Ashley:"Aye aye Skipper!"

Kaidan
Shepard:"Well I don't want to bang Blue Boobs and I saved your butt on Eden. So..." 
Kaidan:"JOKER IS WAITING FOR YOU ON THE BRIDGE!"

Garrus
Shepard:"You know I'd like to see the reach of your rifle Garrus."
Garrus:"Oh well uh... erm can it wait? Calibrations you know."

Tali
Shepard:"I've never seen your face but you look pretty good in that suit."
Tali:"Oh kee'lah! I've wanted bang you so bad even if it meant I might get sick and die!"

Jack
Shepard:"Sex now!"/ "I'm going to help fix you cause I care."
Jack:"Whatever you say Commander ****."

Miranda
Shepard:"Dat ass..."
Miranda:"Oh you like it? Meet me in the engine room."

Jacob
Shepard:"You know I like dark chocolate... and Kaidan is kind of boring."
Jacob:"Heavy risk... but the priiizzze."

Thane
Shepard:"I know your dying and have a kid, but I'm going to take advantage of you."
Kermit the Assassin:"I'm just going to pretend your my dead wife."

Kelly
Shepard:"Yeoman report to my quarters!"
Kelly:"I'll grab my stripper oufit from college."

Traynor
Shepard:"Traynor I need someone to polish my chess pieces."
Traynor:"Of course Commander."

Diana
Shepard:"I totally want to do you Jessica Chobot."
Jessica:"Duh you're a hopeless nerd."

Cortez
Shepard:"I need you to be my beach Cortez."
Cortez:"*Sniff* Oh thank you incredibly open minded man!"

Bi-Kaidan
Shepard:"I saved you on Virmire instead of Ashley and I think we both know why..."
Kaidan:"You got it Commander."


Eh I'd say romance in general is kind of forced on you in these games. Rather then being something deliberate and challenging that the player goes out of their way to choose they sort of just happen as long as you always say the "nice" thing. Granted Liara seems the most forced, but she's always kind of obviously been the "canon" romance even back in ME1. Also I'm pretty sure the majority of players romanced Liara in ME1. Thus the whole Shadowbroker thingy and everything with ME3 being the way it is.

[Fro_McJoe]

Yeah, I accidentally got together with Liara when I was with Ashley cus I thought we were having the awkward "just friends talk". Then we had sex and Ashley's dialogue didn't acknowledge that anything happened.

BUG SWAG!

[Nanuzsh]

Yeah, that happenedn to me with Kaidan. I was doing his 'sanity check up'. And being the nice guy choose the upper right dialogue. Even though I romanced Liara in ME1, ME2-Lotsb and refirmed relationship in ME3. Shepard suddenly became a gay romance for Kaidan. I was like WAT!!!!! I am Xenosexual not Homosexual.

It was not pleasant.

[Ryzaki]

...there's a blatant "I misunderstood" dialogue choice in that scene. >_>

[spirosz]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I laugh whenever I see people complaining about Kaidan hitting on them. I picked all paragon options with him and nothing of the sort happened. I think I had another romance locked on by that point though, so that may have been why.

Anyway, they should handle all romance triggers like Thane's. Obvious and easy to avoid.

I think it's because of the two choice dialogue system, if there was a neutral option it would of been better. I remember picking the top one to be nice in that conversation and he ended up saying - "Are you flirting with me Shepard" and you know how the auto-dialogue is. I was like uhhh... oops? Haha.

[Karlone123]

mmm buddah23 wrote...

So i am doing the whole relationship thing with ashley at the moment, and I talk to that matriarch in the Presidum commons, and she calls me Liaras boyfriends, SERIOUSLY, i never had a romantic subplot with liara in Me 1 - 3, it was Ashley, Miranda, and now Ashley, and somehow, she thinks Im Liara's boyfriend, wtf ? The writers in this game are REALLY absent minded, I;m telling you.

The bit with Liara's father calling you Liara's boyfriend/girlfriend has been fixed and now refers to you as friend.

[RocShemp]

Karlone123 wrote...

mmm buddah23 wrote...

So i am doing the whole relationship thing with ashley at the moment, and I talk to that matriarch in the Presidum commons, and she calls me Liaras boyfriends, SERIOUSLY, i never had a romantic subplot with liara in Me 1 - 3, it was Ashley, Miranda, and now Ashley, and somehow, she thinks Im Liara's boyfriend, wtf ? The writers in this game are REALLY absent minded, I;m telling you.

The bit with Liara's father calling you Liara's boyfriend/girlfriend has been fixed and now refers to you as friend.

When did that get fixed?  Cos she still calls me Liara's boyfriend despite my never having romanced Liara.

Modifié par RocShemp, 06 mai 2012 - 11:19 .