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[Legendary Chop Chop]

aryon69 wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

MrGuse wrote...

ME3's ending isn't even the worst Bioware ending. Anyone remember Jade Empire?  You know, the one where every decision made throughout the game is irrelevant as the "good" or "bad" ending is 100% dependent on the Blue Dragon choice near the end?

Yeah. That pissed me off way worse than this.

Yes and no, you weren't the Spirit Monk over 3 games, and told your choices would matter. I don't really remember the marketing for JE, but did it receive the same amount of hype and hyperbole from devs about how "reactive" the story was to your decisions?

JE wasn't even close to the same hype as ME3.  And I am not even sure what decisions MrGuse is complaining about cause I never remember hearing that choices throughout the game mattered to the ending.  Some did give you a different slide and how things turned out for your crew.  To me JE has one of the better endings BW has done.  Is it perfect? no but far from what we got in ME3.

If you let hype determine what you think of something, then you'll almost always be disappointed. Then, it's not necessarily the fault of the quality, but your expectations, which are always set higher than the product itself would actually end up being.

[Il Divo]

MrGuse wrote...

ME3's ending isn't even the worst Bioware ending. Anyone remember Jade Empire?  You know, the one where every decision made throughout the game is irrelevant as the "good" or "bad" ending is 100% dependent on the Blue Dragon choice near the end?

Yeah. That pissed me off way worse than this.

Wait, what? Did you not play KotOR, Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age: Origins, or Dragon Age 2? That's always been Bioware's modus operandi.

Edit: Hell, I think Throne of Bhaal's ending was also like this.

Modifié par Il Divo, 25 avril 2012 - 03:00 .

[Mojenator12345]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Seishoujyo wrote...

Bioware just wants our money, period, there is no more fan/dev relationship.

Yet, here we both are. Crazy.

I love that the biggest troll on this board is a supposed moderator who only emerges from hiding at random intervals to fire off snide one-liners at disgruntled fans then vanish again into the ether.

[Docmeff22]

Mojenator12345 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Seishoujyo wrote...

Bioware just wants our money, period, there is no more fan/dev relationship.

Yet, here we both are. Crazy.

I love that the biggest troll on this board is a supposed moderator who only emerges from hiding at random intervals to fire off snide one-liners at disgruntled fans then vanish again into the ether.

Agreed.  It is frustrating to be treated like this as customers.  I spent $80 on this game.  I learned two things.  NEVER buy a collector's edition anything and never pre-order a Bioware game.  I may not even buy a Bioware game after this.

Modifié par Docmeff22, 25 avril 2012 - 03:09 .

[DaJe]

Docmeff22 wrote...

Mojenator12345 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Seishoujyo wrote...

Bioware just wants our money, period, there is no more fan/dev relationship.

Yet, here we both are. Crazy.

I love that the biggest troll on this board is a supposed moderator who only emerges from hiding at random intervals to fire off snide one-liners at disgruntled fans then vanish again into the ether.

Agreed.  It is frustrating to be treated like this as customers.  I spent $80 on this game.  I learned two things.  NEVER buy a collector's edition anything and never pre-order a Bioware game.  I may not even buy a Bioware game after this.

The industry has run it self into a corner where pre-order marketing has more value than the game it self. What needs to happen is less pre-ordering and buying on day 1 and more sales through reputation while the game prices should not drop as fast.
Priorities and resource management would then be allocated into better games and more satisfied customers while profits remain high without shady marketing.

[sp0ck 06]

Where the F is HL3 than Gabe?

Valve is a great company but don't give me this garbage about them being so dedicated to their fans. Its been 5 YEARS since Episode 2 and episode 3/HL3 isn't even confirmed as being in development. I don't mind waiting another 5 years for it to be perfect but at least throw the fans a frickin bone here.

Instead Valve has made insane amounts of money off Steam and released some mindless (admittedly fun, but blatant cash cow) online shooters.

The only reason Valve is able to sit on their high horse and make grand proclamations is because of Steam. Blizzard has WoW, Valve has Steam....and BioWare was forced to turn to EA, leaded to a rushed ME3.

WHERE THE HELL IS HALF LIFE 3????

[Dr. Jacko]

Mojenator12345 wrote...
I love that the biggest troll on this board is a supposed moderator who only emerges from hiding at random intervals to fire off snide one-liners at disgruntled fans then vanish again into the ether. 

It's called having a sense of humor. You guys take yourselves way too seriously.

[J RoD824]

Dr. Jacko wrote...

Mojenator12345 wrote...
I love that the biggest troll on this board is a supposed moderator who only emerges from hiding at random intervals to fire off snide one-liners at disgruntled fans then vanish again into the ether. 

It's called having a sense of humor. You guys take yourselves way too seriously.

I didn't find it funny. 

[Dr. Jacko]

J RoD824 wrote...

Dr. Jacko wrote...

Mojenator12345 wrote...
I love that the biggest troll on this board is a supposed moderator who only emerges from hiding at random intervals to fire off snide one-liners at disgruntled fans then vanish again into the ether. 

It's called having a sense of humor. You guys take yourselves way too seriously.

I didn't find it funny. 

I did. I would assume Priestly did as well. I didn't say it was your sense of humour.

[Brony4LIFE]

There is a change of culture at Bioware. This change floods down all its operations and services, and I wouldn't blame EA much for this, because Bioware is ultimately responsible for how they treat their costumers and users in these forums. The BSN moderators and PR people have totally been unfair to everybody. They enforce their will with an iron finger pointed over their "LOCKDOWN" and ban buttons, eager to use. Harsh words, I know. And I know that some of us costumers and non-costumers can be silly trolls at times, but it's downright despicable when your threads get locked down just because you say something the moderators think is negative towards their culture. For instance, I got my thread locked down just because I said that Watchmen and My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic season 2 had a better ending than Mass Effect 3.

The BSN moderators and Bioware Developers (basically all of Bioware) don't share the best interests of their costumers and BSN users. They've marginalized the popular RetakeME movement, the ME3 team did not deliver our expectations of a new ending with their recently announced Extended Cut, and Chris Priestly's Easter tweet was uncalled for and offensive. If Bioware keeps up with this behavior, I'm permanently signing off from these forums. Remember, the fault does not lie squarely on the fans and users of these forums, Bioware and their public operations have plenty to be accountable for.

Modifié par Brony4LIFE, 25 avril 2012 - 04:24 .

[J RoD824]

What was his Easter tweet?

[abaris]

Brony4LIFE wrote...

The BSN moderators and Bioware Developers (basically all of Bioware) don't share the best interests of their costumers and BSN users. They've marginalized the popular RetakeME movement, the ME3 team did not deliver our expectations of a new ending with their recently announced Extended Cut, and Chris Priestly's Easter tweet was uncalled for and offensive.

They never had the best interest of their customers in mind. They, like any other business, have their own interests in mind. Customers are merely the tool to achieve economical success - again with any business.

It's debatable if their reactions and lockdowns are in their best interest, but noone should be surprised that they're not your buddies sharing a beer and watching a game.

[Brony4LIFE]

abaris wrote...

Brony4LIFE wrote...

The BSN moderators and Bioware Developers (basically all of Bioware) don't share the best interests of their costumers and BSN users. They've marginalized the popular RetakeME movement, the ME3 team did not deliver our expectations of a new ending with their recently announced Extended Cut, and Chris Priestly's Easter tweet was uncalled for and offensive.

They never had the best interest of their customers in mind. They, like any other business, have their own interests in mind. Customers are merely the tool to achieve economical success - again with any business.

It's debatable if their reactions and lockdowns are in their best interest, but noone should be surprised that they're not your buddies sharing a beer and watching a game.

You'll be correct in a more general sense by saying that only businesses have their own interests in mind and only use their costumers to achieve an economic goal. The least that Bioware can do is make us feel like they share and care (you gotta share, you gotta care). Some businesses are very apt at doing this. Gabe Newell and Steam are in a positive feedback loop with their costumers, Hasbro has fulfilled every one of their Star Wars fans' dreams by releasing Mcquarrie concept figures, and Futurama and Family Guy came back from the cancellation grave after fans fiercely petitioned to bring the shows back to air. Businesses CAN cater to the best interests of their costumers.

Modifié par Brony4LIFE, 25 avril 2012 - 05:00 .

[Brony4LIFE]

Modifié par Brony4LIFE, 25 avril 2012 - 04:46 .

[Gogzilla]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Seishoujyo wrote...

Bioware just wants our money, period, there is no more fan/dev relationship.

Yet, here we both are. Crazy.

LoL owned

But seriously though dialogue between fans and devs seems to be at a low,
I don't think such drama over the endings was necessary if there was better dialogue at the start.
Fans had to bang on  about it for nearly a month before Bioware seriously responded to it.

Could have been handled better. Taken control of the issue at the start.

[Mojenator12345]

Dr. Jacko wrote...

Mojenator12345 wrote...
I love that the biggest troll on this board is a supposed moderator who only emerges from hiding at random intervals to fire off snide one-liners at disgruntled fans then vanish again into the ether. 

It's called having a sense of humor. You guys take yourselves way too seriously.

It would have been a lot more funny if it had not so ironic.  OP's point was that they're not here.  BW isn't here to discuss the game, respond to questions or concerns, talk about what happened, talk about what they're doing, or, generally treat people like valued customers.  All we get is Priestly occasionally dropping by to take pot shots at people.  That one of his shots is based on "look at me, here I am, Bioware interacting with the fans" is just not funny at this point.  Really not funny. 

[Kushan101]

J RoD824 wrote...

What was his Easter tweet?

Go to: http://blog.wryterra.com/

Go to the second entry down, tells you all about it and tells you why it was a stupid statement.

[Gleym]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Seishoujyo wrote...

Bioware just wants our money, period, there is no more fan/dev relationship.

Yet, here we both are. Crazy.

Based on Priestly's logic if I walk past a homeless dude and steal his cup of change while ignoring his angry protests, turning ever so briefly to launch a thinly veiled insult while being a sarcastic prat, I'm forming a friendship that'll last forever. Note to self, make said hobo the best man at my wedding. We've got such a close relationship after all.

Ya know, sometimes I can only dream of how people like Priestly will react when they receive the same treatment that they dish out. You think he gets miffed when he gets served a half-cooked meal at a restaurant and upon complaining the chef comes to his table and mocks him while taking his money?

Modifié par Gleym, 25 avril 2012 - 05:01 .

[abaris]

Gogzilla wrote...

LoL owned

But seriously though dialogue between fans and devs seems to be at a low,
I don't think such drama over the endings was necessary if there was better dialogue at the start.
Fans had to bang on  about it for nearly a month before Bioware seriously responded to it.

Could have been handled better. Taken control of the issue at the start.

Snide comments by dvelopers are unnecessary - that's for sure.

But I can't blame them for not talking. That's simple business procedure. The matter was handed to the PR department, as is usual, and that department worked their dubious magic. Which is to say nothing sugarcoated by their usual phrases.

They couldn't speak their minds and probably still can't, since the chain of command doesn't allow for it. Again, game companies are just that: Companies - and they all follow the same procedure.

[julio77777]

Well the fact is, they sell millions copies of their AAA games everytime, their DLC sell as well even those with bad reviews, if people buy, why should they change ?

The comparison with CD Projekt isn't possible due to difference in size of said companies. Would they be perceived better if they performed commercial gesture ? Well they released a free MP DLC and will release a free Extended Cut and it doesn't seem to calm the fanrage going on.

Note that this is not an opinion...just facts.

Now for my opinion...Honestly I don't think there is an easy answer, or an easy model to follow, if there was every company would follow it. There are tons of things involved in a video game development of which we are not aware, and that are out of the dev's control. So yeah sure I'm more inclined to support a company like CD Projekt because they make me feel valued as a customer, but I think if Bioware could they would too (or at least I'd like to think so).

Modifié par julio77777, 25 avril 2012 - 05:17 .

[Brony4LIFE]

Mojenator12345 wrote...

Dr. Jacko wrote...

Mojenator12345 wrote...
I love that the biggest troll on this board is a supposed moderator who only emerges from hiding at random intervals to fire off snide one-liners at disgruntled fans then vanish again into the ether. 

It's called having a sense of humor. You guys take yourselves way too seriously.

It would have been a lot more funny if it had not so ironic.  OP's point was that they're not here.  BW isn't here to discuss the game, respond to questions or concerns, talk about what happened, talk about what they're doing, or, generally treat people like valued customers.  All we get is Priestly occasionally dropping by to take pot shots at people.  That one of his shots is based on "look at me, here I am, Bioware interacting with the fans" is just not funny at this point.  Really not funny. 

Couldn't agree with you more. The fact that they do this makes them look so self-appointed and entitled to their authoritative positions. I don't think that other well-renown gaming studios or their community boards do this to their costumers and users.

Honestly, I find it odd how the Bioware Social Network was structured in the first place. The forum is split into chat rooms, many closed off to users who didn't register their copy of a certain Bioware game. BSN is the only place I know of that does this. If there are other gaming social forums that does this, let me know now. But this structure in the BSN is kinda unsettling, and having it exist just to keep away trolls is not a good enough reason; what would Bioware be afraid of?

Modifié par Brony4LIFE, 25 avril 2012 - 05:17 .

[AlanC9]

Il Divo wrote...

MrGuse wrote...

ME3's ending isn't even the worst Bioware ending. Anyone remember Jade Empire?  You know, the one where every decision made throughout the game is irrelevant as the "good" or "bad" ending is 100% dependent on the Blue Dragon choice near the end?

Yeah. That pissed me off way worse than this.

Wait, what? Did you not play KotOR, Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age: Origins, or Dragon Age 2? That's always been Bioware's modus operandi.

Edit: Hell, I think Throne of Bhaal's ending was also like this.

It was, except that in addition to a big final choice there was some flavor stuff based on alignment. I believe HotU also follows the pattern.

Not to mention BG1, NWN, and SoU, with no different endings whatsoever.

The more I think about this, the more I think the real mystery of the ME series is how so many people managed to convince themselves -- with generous help from Bioware, of course -- that ME was going to be completely different from anything Bio's ever even attempted to do.

Edit: kind of related to reactions to ME1's exploration. When I played ME1 what I took away from the UNC missions was that Bio hadn't changed their minds about exploration not being worth doing, but had come up with a pretty good way to get it in without doing much work. Other players saw exploration as something Bio could build on for the future.  We all know how that one turned out.

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 avril 2012 - 05:24 .

[abaris]

julio77777 wrote...

The comparison with CD Projekt isn't possible due to difference in size of said companies. Would they be perceived better if they performed commercial gesture ? Well they released a free MP DLC and will release a free Extended Cut and it doesn't seem to calm the fanrage going on.

.

The fanrage is going on because of the "clarifying" instead of "changing" thingy.

And not to sound nitpicky, but there are people not caring about multiplayer. So, a free multiplayer DLC isn't exactly what these people, me included, were holding their breaths for.

[meatsack]

Brony4LIFE wrote...

Mojenator12345 wrote...

Dr. Jacko wrote...

Mojenator12345 wrote...
I love that the biggest troll on this board is a supposed moderator who only emerges from hiding at random intervals to fire off snide one-liners at disgruntled fans then vanish again into the ether. 

It's called having a sense of humor. You guys take yourselves way too seriously.

It would have been a lot more funny if it had not so ironic.  OP's point was that they're not here.  BW isn't here to discuss the game, respond to questions or concerns, talk about what happened, talk about what they're doing, or, generally treat people like valued customers.  All we get is Priestly occasionally dropping by to take pot shots at people.  That one of his shots is based on "look at me, here I am, Bioware interacting with the fans" is just not funny at this point.  Really not funny. 

Couldn't agree with you more. The fact that they do this makes them look so self-appointed and entitled to their authoritative positions. I don't think that other well-renown gaming studios or their community boards do this to their costumers and users.

Honestly, I find it odd how the Bioware Social Network was structured in the first place. The forum is split into chat rooms, many closed off to users who didn't register their copy of a certain Bioware game. BSN is the only place I know of that does this. If there are other gaming social forums that does this, let me know now. But this structure in the BSN is kinda unsettling, and having it exist just to keep away trolls is not a good enough reason; what would Bioware be afraid of?

I too would like to see more interaction with the Dev's . . . questions answered and their opinions on the communities ideas for future DLC.  Perhaps even some suttle hints and spoilers

However . . .

With all the outright venom being spit at them now and everyone ready to lynch them . . . I'd be gun shy too

[Zombiedude101]

Demon Velsper wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Seishoujyo wrote...

Bioware just wants our money, period, there is no more fan/dev relationship.

Yet, here we both are. Crazy.

When all you give is snarky comments and no actual discussion it's more like an abusive relationship, sure it's still a relationship but it's not a good one.

This guy has a point.