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N7 Eagle.... Seriously Bioware what were you thinking??


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Edit4: Got too much comments about "Eagle is not bad, I love it".
First, if you can beat gold with it it wont prove anything. Second, I know it has uses, it shoots bullets and that is good. But If you really want to write how much you love Eagle write WHY is it better then the other pistols/smgs, because nobody did that yet....

First.... I just simply dont understand the logic behind the description of the weapon. Its a heavy pistol, and it is named after the Desert Eagle ---> (brainstorming in Bioware) conclusion: Full auto low dmg pistol.... 

(1.5: just to make things clear, if I write N7 weapon it means the Valiant, Crusader,Valkyrie, Hurricane, Eagle. NOT the ultra rare weapons)

Second, main problem... its an N7 weapon. I understand it can't be THE best pistol in the game, because it would be just nonsense, when an n7 ultra rare weapon kicks ass out of every other one. /sarcasm

But... why does it have to be THE WORST pistol in the game. I just cant think any reason for it to be a viable weapon:

Dmg,  It has really low dps, lowest of the pistols. If we count armor, its even lower due to the low base dmg. 
ROF. If you need a full auto weapon, you choose an smg. Even the shuriken has better dps. And, some of you wont believe, but Predator has higher ROF, you just need to click very fast, and its gonna shoot faster.
Accuracy. Lower, then the rest of the pistols, lower then some smgs. Recoil same.
Clip/capacity.  Only advantage with pistols, but the smg-s still has higher, or close clip/capacity with greater dps/accuracy
Weigth. Predator, and Shuriken has much lower. and both are better with the above statistics.

In dmg/Rof/Acc/Weight  Predator is not JUST better it is MUCH better, and its a basic, common, starter, lowbie (I could continue) weapon.
If you want to shoot full auto then SMG.

So summed. it really, really sucks. Even If I accepted the ridiculous fact that n7 weapons are NOT the best ones (Except for valiant, it is a competitor for BW), AT LEAST you they should be not the worst. I would really like to see an explanation for this from Bioware, that again WHAT WERE YOU THINKING???

Edit: Got a lot of comments about "I can win it Eagle." It doesnt mean anything. I dont say Eagle is useless, its just the worst pistol, and noone could show me proof why should I choose it rather than the predator.  So stop growing e-peen by commenting you can beat gold with it. As a commenter wrote: you can win gold with a melee built asari adept, it wont mean it is good.

Edit2: I FINNALY FOUND THE ANSWER!!!!!

Now I understand the logic of Bioware, understand the usefullnes, the cr@ppy dps, EVERYTHING.

You know that in SP you get the N7 weapons by buying the collectors edition. So N7 weapons are "collector weapons". If the Eagle is so damn bad as it is now, you wont use, so why dont you just decorate your cabin with it? AND BANG Thats why it is a "Collectors Edition" weapon. This pistol was made to HANG ON A WALL not to shoot with it, why in the seven hells did we think it was made for shooting??!!?... And this explains everything, I think.

Edit3: Its not based on the Desert Eagle only named after it, but I still dont get the difference. Why should somebody name.... never mind....

Modifié par Moonwish, 25 avril 2012 - 08:26 .


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Maybe the N7 Eagle X is the best.

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Its like the hurricane at max level a effin awesome sidearm that allows to quickly put a load of owch towards the enemys

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Moonwish wrote...

N7 Eagle.... Seriously Bioware what were you thinking??

I think the answer is pretty simple actually.

*Random player opens a Commendation Pack thinking of getting a good weapon... *

*gets N7 Eagle*

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It gets worse when you consider they're supposed to have done a balance pass on the N7 weapons before porting them over to multiplayer.

I suspect Bioware's trying to make the N7 weapons as being not...so much better, but different from the usual functionality of their weapon type. Like the N7 Crusader being a 'shotgun' that fires one accurate shot rather than a cone of damage - there's nothing else like that. It serves a purpose.

The N7 Eagle is different from other pistols too, but not in a good way. It's different...and far, far worse. Yes, I have it. No, I'm not very amused.

As others have noted, there's little point making a pistol that functions more like an SMG - you might as well use the SMG. I mean, using the Crusader example again - that shotgun's a wannabe sniper or AR. But it works, because it can go on a Krogan or something with shotgun racial cooldown reduction, and they get a useful accuracy weapon out of it.

But SMGs are so light anyway, and then there's ultralight materials (when it works)... I mean, I'm not gonna go 'WOW AN SMG THAT OCCUPIES A PISTOL SLOT I'M SO GONNA EQUIP THIS ON MY ASARI'.

My Asari don't even rank-6 justicar training to begin with.

Modifié par Acyl, 24 avril 2012 - 10:06 .


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N7 Adam wrote...

Maybe the N7 Eagle X is the best.


Nope, Compare Predator  I to Eagle I , or Eagle X to Predator X, still the same differences. But just to mention even predator I is better than Eagle X, at least in dps...


https://docs.google....bWc&output=html

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I really like the eagle. It's one of my favorite pistols. I use it as a sidearm on my human infiltrator. Works very well.

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Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

I really like the eagle. It's one of my favorite pistols. I use it as a sidearm on my human infiltrator. Works very well.



:blink:

I use mine as a paperweight...most useless pistol ever.

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ShadedPhoenix wrote...

Its like the hurricane at max level a effin awesome sidearm that allows to quickly put a load of owch towards the enemys


Yeah Hurricane is really a scrapper, has low accuracy but who cares if the mob is close. That is a really good weapon. The Valiant too. Because if this, It just annoys me more, how can an Eagly Crusader or Valkyrie that crap. Ok I know Crusader has its uses, yes. And Valkyrie can kick ass, but, but there are uncommon, i mean UNCOMMON weapons which are much better ( imho mattock is the best ar, and there are lots of Shotguns better then crus)

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Moonwish wrote...
First.... I just simply dont understand the logic behind the description of the weapon. Its a heavy pistol, and it is based on the Desert Eagle ---> (brainstorming in Bioware) conclusion: Full auto low dmg pistol.... 

Based on a 9mm Baby Eagle maybe.

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Sundance31us wrote...

Moonwish wrote...
First.... I just simply dont understand the logic behind the description of the weapon. Its a heavy pistol, and it is based on the Desert Eagle ---> (brainstorming in Bioware) conclusion: Full auto low dmg pistol.... 

Based on a 9mm Baby Eagle maybe.


You ever saw the description? 
"The Eagle is named after the Desert Eagle, a classic handgun which gained a romantic reputation among gun collectors, thanks to its popularity in 20th and 21st-century Earth action movies."
http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/N7_Eagle
I know its stupid, complain to Bioware and they RIDICULOUS descriptions. (I could mention Phalanx here, which says it has less weight than Carnifex)

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Moonwish wrote...

You ever saw the description? 
"The Eagle is named after the Desert Eagle, a classic handgun which gained a romantic reputation among gun collectors, thanks to its popularity in 20th and 21st-century Earth action movies."
http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/N7_Eagle
I know its stupid, complain to Bioware and they RIDICULOUS descriptions. (I could mention Phalanx here, which says it has less weight than Carnifex)


I'm not sure what the problem is. It's only NAMED after the Desert Eagle. Nowhere does it say that the weapon is BASED off the Desert Eagle in design or concept. 

Also, the Phalanx codex entry makes no mention of the Carnifex. You might have meant the Paladin, and its description is as follows:

The Paladin is a reliable, durable weapon developed by law enforcement looking for a high-powered but easily concealed sidearm for undercover agents. Surprisingly small for its hitting power, the Paladin is a variant on the Carnifex pistol. While it has a smaller clip than the Carnifex, its shots are unquestionably more powerful.


Nowhere does it say that the Paladin is lighter than the Carnifex, only that it is a small weapon for its hitting power. There isn't even any mention of weight in the entry at all.

Modifié par LGear, 24 avril 2012 - 10:53 .


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I agree with a lot of these statements. I'm one of the 'lucky' few to have Eagle II, and I can't take it with me anywhere. My ultra-light, super fast Predator X gets way more love.

Every time I see a pack with the potential for an N7 weapon, I fear getting an Eagle III. I might come to the conclusion that this game hates me.

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N7 Pigeon maybe.

I was away during the brute killing contest, so I only got 1 N7 so far. Guess what it was. :( :( :( :( :(

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Moonwish wrote...
You ever saw the description? 

Yes, I read the description and reviewed the stats back in March; I also know the difference (real not the BS Hollywood hype) between a Desert Eagle and a Baby Eagle (in fact there is a Baby Eagle only a few feet away from where I am typing this).

By description the N7 Eagle should be able to take down a Brute quickly; as it stand the thing couldn't take out a pyjak.

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LGear wrote...

I'm not sure what the problem is. It's only NAMED after the Desert Eagle. Nowhere does it say that the weapon is BASED off the Desert Eagle in design or concept. 


Donno, If I name something ofter another thing, I do it because of similarities. Yeah both are pistols, but then Why dont we nickname Raptor as Barrett, or Bioware as City Interactive... both have many many similarities.....

Nowhere does it say that the Paladin is lighter than the Carnifex, only that it is a small weapon for its hitting power. There isn't even any mention of weight in the entry at all.

Yup it was my mistake. Doesnt the Spectre Requisiton Screen have different text in Sp when buying weps? Or I donno I clearly remember that there was a weapon which said it has lower weight than another one, but in fact was heavier...  gonno search for it...

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I win gold all the time with ONLY the N7 Eagle, you guys are making me lol
thanks for the laughs ^_^

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Rwjfox wrote...

I win gold all the time with ONLY the N7 Eagle, you guys are making me lol
thanks for the laughs ^_^


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Severyx wrote...

Rwjfox wrote...

I win gold all the time with ONLY the N7 Eagle, you guys are making me lol
thanks for the laughs ^_^


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Just facts bro

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eagle is the only n7 weapon i use on the regular. soo good on Quanrian eng. Only wish it had a stabilizer but it would kill the skill level of it. HandHELD AR. ftw

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Mckillagorilla wrote...

eagle is the only n7 weapon i use on the regular. soo good on Quanrian eng. Only wish it had a stabilizer but it would kill the skill level of it. HandHELD AR. ftw

Thank you

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Rwjfox wrote...

I win gold all the time with ONLY the N7 Eagle, you guys are making me lol
thanks for the laughs ^_^


I dont say Eagle is useless, I only say its the worst pistol. If Im a vanguard, or a biotic/tech spammer, or even an Infil with Widow, it wont matter what pistol I have really. If you are a good player you will even win with a sling. That wont make the Eagle good.

Show me proof that it is better then other pistols. Only advantage I can think about is growing e-peen by showing people that you can top score with a Zip gun.

Edit: I can simplify my state. If someone can perform better with the N7 than with the other pistols, it is not because the Eagle is good, it is because he cant use the other ones. 

Modifié par Moonwish, 24 avril 2012 - 12:44 .


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Rwjfox, Mckilagorilla are you console users? that would explain much. Maybe console users cant spam fire button like we do with the clicks on pc. That should explain why its a viable choice...

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Rwjfox wrote...

Just facts bro


Nope, facts are what I wrote in the first post.