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[Distilled Poison]

"Only advantage I can think about is growing e-peen by showing people that you can top score with a Zip gun."

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking. The proof that the Eagle sucks has already been shown. Your "I win with it" anecdotal evidence is not a contradictory "fact, bro." I can win gold with a melee build Asari adept, doesn't mean it's good.

Want a lightweight full auto sidearm? Go with an SMG. Want a pistol primary? Every one has better DPS.

[AcadiaPaul]

I used the N7 Eagle a few times after I found it in a commendation package. I didn't think it was too bad, and weapon DPS only matters if you use only the weapon. The Eagle works good enough to finish off enemies weakened by powers. Don't know that I would use it much because its very unsuited to my playstyle, and I would be more likely to toy around with it in Silver than Gold.

[peddroelm]

The predator seems better than the eagle in every possible way ...

[Lajkos]

Moonwish wrote...

Rwjfox wrote...

Just facts bro

Nope, facts are what I wrote in the first post. 

From what i understand you base your assumptions on the "stats" you see in the weapons menu. The same state basically say that the arc pistole is on par with the carnifex which it isn't. So you can't make assumptions from those stats alone. Adding to the fact is that a lot of ppl do well with the Eagle, you just can't use it in the same way as you use other heavy pistoles

[arc_gabriel_]

exactly. What where they thinking.

[Moonwish]

Lajkos wrote...

From what i understand you base your assumptions on the "stats" you see in the weapons menu. The same state basically say that the arc pistole is on par with the carnifex which it isn't. So you can't make assumptions from those stats alone. Adding to the fact is that a lot of ppl do well with the Eagle, you just can't use it in the same way as you use other heavy pistoles

not those "stats', these https://docs.google....bWc&output=html

[Rifneno]

AcadiaPaul wrote...

I used the N7 Eagle a few times after I found it in a commendation package. I didn't think it was too bad, and weapon DPS only matters if you use only the weapon. The Eagle works good enough to finish off enemies weakened by powers. Don't know that I would use it much because its very unsuited to my playstyle, and I would be more likely to toy around with it in Silver than Gold.

"DPS only matters if you use only the weapon"?  ...  What is this sick mutation of logic?

[AcadiaPaul]

Rifneno wrote...

AcadiaPaul wrote...

I used the N7 Eagle a few times after I found it in a commendation package. I didn't think it was too bad, and weapon DPS only matters if you use only the weapon. The Eagle works good enough to finish off enemies weakened by powers. Don't know that I would use it much because its very unsuited to my playstyle, and I would be more likely to toy around with it in Silver than Gold.

"DPS only matters if you use only the weapon"?  ...  What is this sick mutation of logic?

There are powers in this game, too.  They are usually far more effective and the weapon is just about killing time between cooldowns.

[crushcrushcrush]

The whole point is that you might as well take a Predator X instead.

[Cette]

To be fair compared with the Predator an Eagle doesn't force you to constantly click so fast that your finger falls off to do it's damage. That being said it has nothing on a vanilla Phalanx.

[Rifneno]

AcadiaPaul wrote...

There are powers in this game, too.  They are usually far more effective and the weapon is just about killing time between cooldowns.

Right, so if a power was grossly underpowered then it'd be fine because the power's power (sorry, English) only matters if you aren't using guns.

[crushcrushcrush]

I chose a Predator as an example for emphasis, since the Predator is the Common weapon out of the bunch. Multiple pistols outshining the Eagle is not great, but the most common of them all potentially being so? That's not good.

[l76016639]

N7 weapons is just promotion item for digital deluxe edition/collector's edition.
Quality, damage, DPS, ROF...It done't matter how good or suck.
They are just LURE for selling another package

what is evidence? how can y sure n7 weapons are just display item? how dare y say just like it?

Oh...just think one more time.
If you are BW programer or PM, did you really make some great and powerful weapons?
These stub will make more harder to maintaining balance.
Every reviewer will cry just like 'you need only n7 weapons, anything ales is just waste of data.
And what about player's rage?

So what? Just find some real weapon and put them to game.
Predator/Phalanx represent compact/standard 9mm pistol
Carnifex/Paladin looks like heavy pistol..such as desert eagle or big revolver.
Scorpion/Talon...ME3 is space opera, and who can say 'there is no pistol such like them'
Arc is just electronic stun gun with SF modify.

And here com n7 eagle.
simple. full-automatic 9mm pistol. something like glock18.

There is no need to crying 'weapon is so sxxx~, plz buff!'
This is not FPS. ME3 is space opera.

[Cette]

crushcrushcrush wrote...

I chose a Predator as an example for emphasis, since the Predator is the Common weapon out of the bunch. Multiple pistols outshining the Eagle is not great, but the most common of them all potentially being so? That's not good.

Fair enough but it's still a better SMG than most of the SMG's especially with being able to throw an AP mod on it. 

I mean it's not a great gun and it sure as hell doesn't deserve to be an N7 weapon but it's really middle of the pack  when you start comparing it to weapon categories that are weaker than heavy pistols.

I'd take it over about half of the AR's as well and some of the nicer ones in that category are just plain too heavy for a power user.

[crushcrushcrush]

N7 weapons is just promotion item for digital deluxe edition/collector's edition.
Quality, damage, DPS, ROF...It done't matter how good or suck.

What kind of an argument is this? We make new weapons for shiny and collectibles so people will drool over them so it doesn't matter how good or bad they are as weapons!

When they made DLC weapons for ME2 all of them were pretty much ridiculously good weapon choices. Geth Plasma Shotgun, Mattock, Phalanx, Locust. All fantastic weapons, accurate and deadly at most ranges.

However, this time when they made these preorder bonuses, and translated them into MP, they've made the Eagle uncompetitive? Well, that sucks.

Modifié par crushcrushcrush, 24 avril 2012 - 01:47 .

[AcadiaPaul]

Rifneno wrote...

AcadiaPaul wrote...

There are powers in this game, too.  They are usually far more effective and the weapon is just about killing time between cooldowns.

Right, so if a power was grossly underpowered then it'd be fine because the power's power (sorry, English) only matters if you aren't using guns.

If a power is grossly underpowered, its your fault for not setting it up powerfully.

[Rifneno]

AcadiaPaul wrote...

If a power is grossly underpowered, its your fault for not setting it up powerfully.

That's the dumbest thing I've heard since the media stopped paying attention to Jack Thompson.

[AcadiaPaul]

Rifneno wrote...

AcadiaPaul wrote...

If a power is grossly underpowered, its your fault for not setting it up powerfully.

That's the dumbest thing I've heard since the media stopped paying attention to Jack Thompson.

Maybe.  This game is still a balancing act between weapons and powers, so one should choose one to complement the other. 

[cruc1al]

Moonwish wrote...

Rwjfox, Mckilagorilla are you console users? that would explain much. Maybe console users cant spam fire button like we do with the clicks on pc. That should explain why its a viable choice...

Except they might as well use an SMG

[AdmLancel]

I do get confused at how the N7 Eagle even remotely resembles a Desert Eagle. The Carnifex and Paladin really have more in common with a Desert Eagle from a design perspective.

[Prism]

I'm perfectly fine with it. Automatic, nice long range precision, big clip - good side-arm, if treated as such.

[MetalHeadDev]

CarparkC wrote...

Moonwish wrote...

N7 Eagle.... Seriously Bioware what were you thinking??

I think the answer is pretty simple actually.

*Random player opens a Commendation Pack thinking of getting a good weapon... *

*gets N7 Eagle*

Bioware:

THIS. LOL

[l76016639]

I think all of ME3's weapons are based on real weapons.
Of course, all of based real weapons are good.

BW put them to game system, and game system can't same matching as real. it is impossible.
Some weapon can be buffed and another can be debuffed.

Just satisfying use some favorite style weapon.

People who like big and huge slug, he/she will choose Claymore, or prefer fast and loud...they will choose Revenant.

And N7 eagle.
It's just not good at ME3's system.

[Drummernate]

Shhhh


I might get it instead of a Valiant/Crusader!

I have the Hurricane II atm and it is not bad at all. But the Eagle.... yuck.

[AcadiaPaul]

Prismvg wrote...

I'm perfectly fine with it. Automatic, nice long range precision, big clip - good side-arm, if treated as such.

This is why I don't like it, or why I said it doesn't suit my playstyle.  I think its weak on the long range game.   I prefer not having to compensate so much for medium/long range.

Its my opinion that its a better short range, w/ occassional medium range, weapon.