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[Sparse]

Mad-Hamlet wrote...

Sparse wrote...

No.

The problem is the central plot arc and it would be a massive undertaking to fix that, so they will not be able to.

I do not know what your problems with the central arc are but I think the main problem is the introduction of major plot elements in the closing instanes of the story- this can easily and readily be fixed. Perhaps you are refferring to something other.

The headline problem with the story is that the player is given the mission, the authority to do this mission and the ability to do this mission within the first hour of the game and the rest of the game is the player carrying out that mission. That's not a good central plot arc for a story driven rpg (even for a story driven action game).

It could just about work if there was some sort of journey for Shepard, but the character does not develop (neither really does anybody else, even with the improved interaction between npcs). In ME1 you had the character develop from alliance marine to slightly rogue saviour of the universe, ME2 had the character develop through exploration of relationshops - that in part is why those games were good (particularly in the case of ME2). ME3 really has none of that. Without this character development ME3 basically ends up being Pac-Man - you move your character around collecting things being chased by baddies - it's also why it feels so short when it really isn't.

The reason the nightmares and the weird kid are in is for there to be a journey (Shepard folding under the pressure) but on their own they aren't enough because it isn't reflected in any other aspect of the game. Remove the nightmares and the Catalyst then you would be left with a fairly boring story that had a more coherent ending. Which would be better certainly, but it wouldn't be brilliant.

You are right that the introduction of major plot elements right at the end is a major issue - as is the fact that they leave what is going on entirely up to the interpretation of the player - but the central plot arc is too simplistic and not backed up by the rest of the sub-plots. That cannot be fixed. I think the fact that the ending is quite so bad is diverting attention away from the flaws with the core story.

Modifié par Sparse, 24 avril 2012 - 04:28 .

[pottman]

Don't know.

[Kalundume]

Not, if BW keeps to what it has written on its blog

[nitefyre410]

No - especially after what Bioware wrote on their blog

Modifié par nitefyre410, 24 avril 2012 - 04:25 .

[species.zero]

I will withhold judgement until I have a chance to play it for myself.

[OhDihBot]

If they adopt the Indoctrination Theory and come out with a "real" ending that is on par qualitatively and quantitatively with the rest of the series, then yes.  I am confident Bioware will do this, as the evidence in favor of the IDT is overwhelming.

If not, then no (unless of course, BW pulls a rabbit out of a hat and comes up with something even better than the IDT to explain the current ending, which I do not see happening.).

[Shinra Elite]

It's not a simple yes or no answer. We have no idea what they're doing. The constant speculation and people saying that things are and aren't in the EC without any knowledge toward the truth do not give credence one way or the other. The fact of the matter is, most of us can't give an answer until we see it. I hate the ending as much as everyone else, but if a miracle happens and they fix some of the problems, it's possible that I will be happy. I'm being cautiously optimistic here. I've stuck with Bioware since Baldur's Gate, so I'm willing to give them a second chance, but this is the last chance they get.

[Zardoc]

[AlexPorto111]

For me,yes.

[UnstableMongoose]

*pulls out Magic 8-Ball*

*shake shake, shake shake*

"Ask again later."

[ItsRed]

No.
Because, they're giving us more **** as opposed to something that isn't ****. We wanted diamonds =[ But NO thats way to expensive for BiowarEA to spend on their loyal fans

[archangelg99]

I'll give an answer after I've seen it.

[Kunari801]

I don't know yet.

We do know they aren't going to remove star-brat nor the 3-color endings, with that in mind:
1- Fix Star-Brats illogical arguments
2- Give each ending some differentiation and more explanation of what it does and aftermath. How is the galaxy going to rebuild.
3- Delete Joker's crash landing please
4- Closure with our crew & Shepard (live or die) We care about our crew & friends, show what happens to all of them left alive. Show us how they move on post-war.

[devSin]

No.

It can, but it won't.

Unless it does. In which case, I'll be satisfied.

[spirosz]

Gotta wait and see, highly doubt it.

[NovaM4]

the_geo_law wrote...

You may add some description but try to keep it short. So that any Bioware employee potentially going through this can get a sense of what the consensus is based on the information given.
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I say No.
The ending is too damaged for an Extended Cut to fix it. It needs to be retconned.

Make a poll of this.

[Deuterium_Dawn]

Allen Spellwaver wrote...

Unknown,for you can never tell what EC can do.
Besides,why do people show too much concern on the starkid?ME delivered clearly that there is so much unknown in the galaxy.Why you can't accept him in this way?

Because he's introduced almost literally at the last minute, reduces the primary antagonists of the series until that moment to puppets, and causes some serious problems with the whole keeper/Sovereign/collector thing if he is the damn Citadel.

That said, it's not impossible but it's not likely either. They've already said they're not removing Starchild, and even if they run with IT or something similar that undoes the basic damage to the plot, there's too much to be done to make the epic ending the series deserves. The game was rushed, now we, and eventually they, will pay the price.

[Tirranek]

the_geo_law wrote...

You may add some description but try to keep it short. So that any Bioware employee potentially going through this can get a sense of what the consensus is based on the information given.
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I say No.
The ending is too damaged for an Extended Cut to fix it. It needs to be retconned.

I don't know what's in it, so I can't say.

[Pottumuusi]

Can't really say for certain since IT ISN'T EVEN OUT YET.

[nrcrane]

Don't know enough for a yes or no.

So best I can say is "I'm skeptical"

[kal_reegar]

If they remove or drastically change ALL the star brat scene, yes, maybe.

[blackwaltz20]

I going to wait and see, however, I am quite doubtful that it will solve my problems. My main issues involve the logic behind the reapers and the Normandy and I do not see either of those two being clarified to my liking.

So I guess I will go with probably no.

Modifié par blackwaltz20, 24 avril 2012 - 04:49 .

[Ryuukishi]

I expect yes.

I can deal with narrative choices I don't agree with. That just is what it is.

The even larger problem to me was the abruptness of the ending, the way it just cuts out before explaining or revealing any pertinent information.

So if the Extended Cut just solves that problem, I'll be a lot happier.

[pjotroos]

I'd love to know it. From the information they released: No. My gripe is with the horrible plot device of Space Child, Creator Of All Reapers, his weak motivation, ridiculing the Reapers by putting him in charge, the solution being handed to us making the previous effort pointless, Shepard acting against their character, magically teleporting my ground team to Normandy, then abandoning it in the middle of nowhere, lack of upbeat notes, lack of victory, lack of closure and - effectively - complete lack of any kind of satisfaction from finishing the trilogy. Their "clarification and closure" can address maybe three of those. We need a rewrite.

[BDelacroix]

No way to know the answer since nobody can tell the future.