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[N7 Banshee Bait]

 If you choose the "destroy" ending synthetic life like the Geth will rise up again in the future & destroy all organic life. The Reaprs were created to prevent that from happening. If you choose "destroy" you're not just destroying the Reapers, you're destroying all organic life in the future.  You're killing your grandchildren & great grandchildren. Erasing their future.  The Catalyst even tells you this right out.  It's amazing how many players just don't get it.

If you choose "control" Shepard can bring the Reapers in to keep the synthetics under "control'. When they rise up agsint their creators Shepard can stop them.

If you choose "synthesis" there won't be any conflict between organics & synthetics anymore. The Reapers & the whole Mass Effect series is about the conflict between organcs & synthetics. If you combine the 2 you remove the conflict. No need for the Reapers or the cycle anymore. You achieve universal peace. 

Modifié par Steelgrave, 24 avril 2012 - 03:16 .

[FJVP]

No. You can't possibly know what happens afterwards, for what we know we also destroy the geth and even if they survive all that it's because you made peace with them first, so I don't see where you're getting this idea.

Modifié par FJVP, 24 avril 2012 - 03:15 .

[Slappy Ya Face]

"Not getting" something that makes little sense and has been proven factually wrong, is called thinking.

Modifié par Slappy Ya Face, 24 avril 2012 - 03:14 .

[Unschuld]

Well, yeah, if you take everything that's said at face value. I'm partially synthetic, yet I woke up in a pile of rubble... hmmm...

Regardless, I think people in the future would be a little bit more prepared and take better precautions in the future. Of course, there's always a chance. But that's the point of self determination. The other two choices take that away.

[KDD-0063]

Modifié par KDD-0063, 24 avril 2012 - 03:15 .

[Ricehawk]

Exactly. There is absolutely no way anyone can determine what would have happened in the future. Look at Sheperd's cycle he got synthetic life to make peace with organics.

[MattFini]

Steelgrave wrote...

 If you choose the "destroy" ending synthetic life like the Geth will rise up again in the future & destroy all organic life. The Reaprs were created to prevent that from happening. If you choose "destroy" you're not just destroying the Reapers, you're destroying all organic life in the future.  You're killing your grandchildren & great grandchildren. Erasing their future.  The Catalyst even tells you this right out.  It's amazing how many players just don't get it.

And what's to prevent the Krogans and the Turians from going back to hating each other?

Or the Salarians?

Oh, wait, that conflict was suddenly marginalized at the end of ME3 so the sole theme could suddenly be "organics vs. synthetics"

But really, if you choose Synthesis, are we guaranteed that there will suddenly be galacitc peace?  How?

All three endings suck.  It's just that Destory lets you do what you set out to do:  destory the damn Reapers.  

[SerraAdvocate]

Only if you believe that conflict between Organics and Synthetics is inevitable. And the only reason you have to believe that is the Catalyst told you it was.

[N7 Banshee Bait]

Unschuld wrote...

Regardless, I think people in the future would be a little bit more prepared and take better precautions in the future.

You gotta be kidding!  They didn't listen to Shepard's warning now, they won't in the future either.  People never learn, they just keep repeating the same mistakes century after century.

[N7 Banshee Bait]

Helm505 wrote...

Only if you believe that conflict between Organics and Synthetics is inevitable. And the only reason you have to believe that is the Catalyst told you it was.

And the fact that it happens over & over again in every cycle throughout time.  Javik's cycle had the same problem. And the one before that, and the onebefore that..  You have to be completely out of touch with reality to believe it won't happen again. An optimistic daydreamer that believes in fairytales & happy endings. In other words, a complete IDIOT!

Modifié par Steelgrave, 24 avril 2012 - 03:24 .

[Colancio]

I don't care, I want the reapers dead now. Not control them or mix with them. In the future we will see what will happen to synthetics.

Modifié par Colancio, 24 avril 2012 - 03:24 .

[FJVP]

You do know why the geth attacked the quarians in the first place, right? And also going by that logic if the reapers are synthetic too then it's only logical to assume that they will rebel in the future.

Modifié par FJVP, 24 avril 2012 - 03:25 .

[N7 Banshee Bait]

FJVP wrote...

You do know why the geth attacked the quarians in the first place, right? And also going by that logic if the reapers are synthetic too then it's only logical to assume that they will rebel in the future.

 

Self defense.  Like I said, the conflict WILL NEVER go away.  Things won't change in the future.  If you choose "destroy" you screw all organic life in the future.


And the Reapers are part synthetic, part organic. See what I mean about mass Effect fans NOT PAYING ATTENTION?
Did you even play Mass Effect 2?  it explains in deatail how organic life is processed in the creation of a new Reaper.

Modifié par Steelgrave, 24 avril 2012 - 03:28 .

[The Angry One]

Steelgrave wrote...

Helm505 wrote...

Only if you believe that conflict between Organics and Synthetics is inevitable. And the only reason you have to believe that is the Catalyst told you it was.

And the fact that it happens over & over again in every cycle throughout time.  Javik's cycle had the same problem. And the one before that, and the onebefore that..  You have to be completely out of touch with reality to believe it won't happen again. An optimistic daydreamer that believes in fairytales & happy endings. In other words, a complete IDIOT!

Do you know who caused the problem in Javik's cycle?
THE REAPERS.

Before then, the Zha'till were actually full hybrids, organics and synthetics co-existing in one body.
The Protheans were at war with them, yes. But knowing the Protheans it was probably them who started it.
Point is, the Zha'till didn't overthrow their organic hosts until the Reapers forced them to. Oops.

The Catalyst's ridiculous assertions are wrong. Even if synthetics and organics fight, nothing says synthetics will exterminate all organics. NOTHING. The Zha'till didn't. The Geth didn't. The only ones who do are the Reapers.

To put it another way, if you believe the Catalyst, congratulations! You bought a sack of crap from the world's glowiest fertilizer salesman.

Modifié par The Angry One, 24 avril 2012 - 03:28 .

[Kunari801]

Steelgrave wrote...

If you choose "destroy" you're not just destroying the Reapers, you're destroying all organic life in the future.  You're killing your grandchildren & great grandchildren. Erasing their future.

No Stargazer tells us it's fine no matter which color we picked. 

[The Angry One]

Steelgrave wrote...

FJVP wrote...

You do know why the geth attacked the quarians in the first place, right?

Self defense.  Like I said, the conflict WILL NEVER go away.  Things won't change in the future.  If you choose "destroy" you screw all organic life in the future.

Prove it.

[AlienSpaceBats]

The Catalyst was crammed with so much faulty logic that I ignored him, also most of us demonstrated the synthetics can live in peace with organics on Rannoch and with EDI.

[richard_rider]

Don't care, I set out to destroy the reapers, I destroy the reapers...I'm a man of my word.

[StarcloudSWG]

Thats the propaganda that the Catalyst/Reaper AI uses to justify its genocide of advanced races, sure.

The thing is, the Catalyst/Reaper AI is an AI that *hasn't* wiped out all organic life. Its mere existance is proof counter to the argument.

And let's look at the outcome of the other two endings; In Control, Shepard suicides, the Reapers back off, the Mass Relays explode. In Synthesis, Shepard suicides, the Reapers back off, the Mass Relays explode.

Then there's Destroy: Reapers DIE, Shepard survives, the Mass Relays explode.

Which endings keep the Reapers intact for the Catalyst/Reaper AI to use in future genocidal invasions? Which one prevents any possibility of future genocidal invasions?

It's pretty clear the Catalyst/Reaper AI doesn't want its toys/tools/slaves broken.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 24 avril 2012 - 03:36 .

[Kalundume]

Nonsense OP, the whole organics vs synthetics thing is so absurd as any other similar claim...

Different people were described in the history as unable to live together peacefully and the history has always proven that claims wrong, the capacity to maintain a peace is as important as a capacity to commence the war between two, seemingly peaceful countries - it depends on a lot of variables, the unique claim about organics vs synthetics is empty like a fired bullet shell

[wright1978]

Should i believe a word that comes out of the mouth of an insane genocidal maniac? No thanks, listening to crazy people is silly. That's why we lock lunatics up rather than making them head of state.

[Obeded the 2nd]

MattFini wrote...

Steelgrave wrote...

 If you choose the "destroy" ending synthetic life like the Geth will rise up again in the future & destroy all organic life. The Reaprs were created to prevent that from happening. If you choose "destroy" you're not just destroying the Reapers, you're destroying all organic life in the future.  You're killing your grandchildren & great grandchildren. Erasing their future.  The Catalyst even tells you this right out.  It's amazing how many players just don't get it.

And what's to prevent the Krogans and the Turians from going back to hating each other?

Or the Salarians?

Oh, wait, that conflict was suddenly marginalized at the end of ME3 so the sole theme could suddenly be "organics vs. synthetics"

But really, if you choose Synthesis, are we guaranteed that there will suddenly be galacitc peace?  How?

All three endings suck.  It's just that Destory lets you do what you set out to do:  destory the damn Reapers.  

There won't be galatic peace, there will always be war however organics won't be wiped out by synthetics because of synthesis.

[OdanUrr]

Incomplete information problem.

[The Angry One]

I hereby present a challenge, OP.
Present one single example of an synthetic life form in Mass Effect even attempting to exterminate all organic life, 100% of it as per the Catalyst's claim.

As counter examples I provide:
- The Geth
- The Zha'til
- EDI
- The Reapers themselves

You only have to provide one. Go.

Modifié par The Angry One, 24 avril 2012 - 03:32 .

[FJVP]

Steelgrave wrote...

FJVP wrote...

You do know why the geth attacked the quarians in the first place, right? And also going by that logic if the reapers are synthetic too then it's only logical to assume that they will rebel in the future.

 

Self defense.  Like I said, the conflict WILL NEVER go away.  Things won't change in the future.  If you choose "destroy" you screw all organic life in the future.


And the Reapers are part synthetic, part organic. See what I mean about mass Effect fans NOT PAYING ATTENTION?
Did you even play Mass Effect 2?  it explains in deatail how organic life is processed in the creation of a new Reaper.

Funny I think that by choosing synthesis you screw up the whole galaxy by playing with the genetics of every spient being, and you can't prove me wrong either, you have no evidence to support your claims. And the reapers are still synthetic to some extent, the fact that they have an organic part changes nothing.