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[Zolt51]

 I'd just cut and run.

Just look at the polls here. The EC will satisfy maybe 20% of the fans. According to the rest it will be more like twisting the knife. Why even bother? Every day that passes the tone on BSN turns ever more negative. After the ending, it's every little flaw, perceived inconsistency and decrease in quality in ME3 that's being passed under the microscope. The consensus is clear, the game isn't worth sh*t (Actually it's down to circa $30, the joy was unanimous over that).

Well, having the team keep working on patches, DLC and stuff for who knows how many more months simply isn't worth it. These guys cost moneys, and EA is still reporting losses. No sense in digging ourselves in deeper.

Forget the ME franchise. It's toxic.  OK, we heard you, saw the writing on the wall, learned the lesson, let's not do it again! 
Let's get as far away from there as possible in fact. 

Speaking of which... can anyone dig up those old D&D license papers? What was the expiry date on those? I hear there's been some interesting stuff going on in the Forgotten realms universe. 

The sooner we stop prolonging the agony over ME3, the sooner work on Baldur's Gate 3 can begin. What say ye?

Modifié par Zolt51, 24 avril 2012 - 05:13 .

[Dagoth14]

I guess I'm part of that 20% then.

[ShinAnubisXIII]

Atari owns the rights to the Baldur's Gate franchise now. Remakes of both games are already in the works. Beamdog also said that they'd love to make a BG3 as well but that depends on Atari / Wizards of the Coast.

Modifié par Shin-Anubis, 24 avril 2012 - 05:17 .

[Robhuzz]

The EC will satisfy maybe 20% of the fans

Since you seem to have powers of foresight, could you maybe tell us what the EC will include?


Maybe I'm hoping against hope here but BioWare said they were only adding a few cutscenes and an epilogue. If this is true then why the hell would they wait until summer to release it? I have a feeling the EC might include more than what they're saying. Should know better than to trust in BioWare though.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 24 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[Zolt51]

Dagoth14 wrote...

I guess I'm part of that 20% then.

You and me both buddy, but we sure ain't the majority.. at least on here.

[Zolt51]

Robhuzz wrote...

The EC will satisfy maybe 20% of the fans

Since you seem to have powers of foresight, could you maybe tell us what the EC will include?

I've no idea, but IF the EC is what Bioware said and no more as in extra clarification and cutscenes, without changing the current ending, the polls are clear. Same uproar all over again.

[IElitePredatorI]

That is exactly why you shouldn't be Bioware, at least they are trying to do something about this 'mistake' where as you just want to do the typical villian move where it all goes wrong and you try to escape.

[LeBurns]

I have to agree it seems pointless. Those most vocal will never be happy.

In the end I predict that they won't even finish the planned DLC's for it (like Dragon Age 2) and move on to something the CoD junkies can get into so the money starts flowing in again.

Just hurts to see how the DA and ME franchises went down.

[AlienSpaceBats]

Only 20%?

I'm looking forward to the EC - and I've played enough Forgotten Realms games.

[fchopin]

Dagoth14 wrote...

I guess I'm part of that 20% then.

[Madecologist]

Zolt51 wrote...

 *snip*

Speaking of which... can anyone dig up those old D&D license papers? What was the expiry date on those? I hear there's been some interesting stuff going on in the Forgotten realms universe. 

The sooner we stop prolonging the agony over ME3, the sooner work on Baldur's Gate 3 can begin. What say ye?

Problem is, as much as this would please some or many fans (will not try to estimate the numbers), it is not what Bioware wants.

Bioware has made it very clear for a long time they want their own IPs. Hence why they gave up on BG and NWN, and even SW (till recently... but then the lucritive MMO market looked too tempting and SW seemed like a good way to get into it). They first started with Jade Empire, and then we got Dragon Age and Mass Effect. Bioware wanted its own IP. You have quotes from Gaider and Hudson about the strengths of having your own IP.

If they were to cut and run as you say, they would need to come up with a new IP to replace Mass Effect. Also remember that Bioware has more than one team. Assuming they manage them right, the more fantasy-eque people work on Dragon Age while the more science-fictiony people work on Mass Effect.

Assuming the Dragon Age team is full, the former Mass Effect team will probably better suited to work within that field as well. You basically asking them to put the ME team on making a DnD liscence (which is a pretty much as fantasy as you can get). Aside from going back to someone else's IP it may very well not be what the team will want to work on.

So basically this IP would have to be more science-fictiony (unless I am wrong about the team's predisposition, some people love to work on both equally well), and probably be original (since that seems to be Bioware current MO). One way or another... they are worried they will loose a lot of fans and the new or even borrowed IP won't have the same level of fan confidence. Hence why I think they are trying to salvage/save ME as much as they can.

Edit - Or maybe they love the ME franchise as much as we do (or maybe even more, depending on dev and fan being compared). So they want to see ME succeed.

Modifié par Madecologist, 24 avril 2012 - 05:47 .

[Chris Priestly]

Forget bout the EC. If I were Bioware...

Well.... good thing you're not us then.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 24 avril 2012 - 05:42 .

[AkiKishi]

Depends how many of that 20% are safisfied. Casuals will have moved on long before EC is released. If the EC fails, then DLC will likely be curtailed DA2 style.

I'm not sure what you can clarify about the endings. The end result is like removing every method of transport from the planet over night. Ships are just not designed to function without gate travel.
Retcons aplenty is my guess for the EC.

[Applepie_Svk]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Forget bout the EC. If I were Bioware...

Well.... good thing you're not us then.

Good enough

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Forget bout the EC. If I were Bioware...

Well.... good thing you're not us then.

Joking aside, if you don't pull the EC out of the bag you seriously will lose alot of fans 

[-Spartan]

@OP – You seem to totally miss the point. We LOVE BW and its products. The issue is since the EA merger its products have taken a turn for the worse in terms of gameplay, depth, functionality, scope, and story, just like all the other developers that “married” EA and in short order where turned into husks. We don’t want BW to turn into a husk. THAT is the cycle we are trying to stop with all the outrage and protests.

[AlanC9]

BobSmith101 wrote...
Ships are just not designed to function without gate travel. 

Where do people get this bizarre idea?

[Robhuzz]

Zolt51 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

The EC will satisfy maybe 20% of the fans

Since you seem to have powers of foresight, could you maybe tell us what the EC will include?

I've no idea, but IF the EC is what Bioware said and no more as in extra clarification and cutscenes, without changing the current ending, the polls are clear. Same uproar all over again.

While it seems like BioWare has lost their connection to the fans completely with this fiasco, I'd still like to think they're not stupid. Sure the EC, no matter what it contains, will make BioWare look good in front of the media for 'listening' to the fans, but said fans will not be amused if all we're getting is some more 'clarification'.
No amount of clarification is going to fix the massive amount and size of those plot holes in the ending. BioWare gets their money from the fans, not the media. I'd like to think BioWare understands this and won't just ****** the fanbase off again by taking the easy way out with their EC.

Time will tell of course.

BobSmith101 wrote...
Ships are just not designed to function without gate travel. 

Where do people get this bizarre idea?

Nihlus: Without their [The Protheans'] mass relays, interstellar travel would be impossible.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 24 avril 2012 - 06:03 .

[AkiKishi]

AlanC9 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...
Ships are just not designed to function without gate travel. 

Where do people get this bizarre idea?

From playing the game. They just don't hold enough fuel and likely food. Nothing bizarre about it.
Unless you are talking about backyard travel ? Which is all together irrelevent.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 24 avril 2012 - 06:08 .

[Khayness]

Wow, a better fan banner guy talking about negative things, that's new.

[mupchu777]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Forget bout the EC. If I were Bioware...

Well.... good thing you're not us then.

Seriously guys BW has been working hard on the DLC...  I think we OWE them a chance at this point.  They read the boards, they know whats being said.  I understand the desire for BG3 but...  thats a pipe dream at this point.  Why on earth would BW abandon DA and ME considering it's IP they own and it's extremely popular!?!  Just the fact that there are so many people ****ing about the ME3 ending will tell you that people are invested in the game...  Look at this point let's be constructive about what we want because this other chatter isn't doing anything except pissing people off.  I mean really...  it's not like BW can tell us exactly whats in the DLC (cause that would just ruin it).  They are hard at work on stuff, when they have news to post they will.  I've seen several twitter posts by the writing team of ME on epic meetings (and believe me if you've ever sat in a 4 hour meeting you know how it is) over the last few weeks.  There is absolutely nothing they can do right now aside what they are doing...  They don't typically comment on EMS issues cause really they really only need to do that when they have a fix (several people have already said they are looking at it so why post more on it...  and even then whats the point of talking about it if you don't have a fix immenant..  spend more time fixing than running fire drills).  

All that said I lost a lot of respect for BW at the onset of this cause lets face it the ending sucked (no need to go on as to why as it's been covered multiple times).  I think they do deserve some credit for admiting there are issues and trying to fix them.  We all complain but look...  if this was ubisoft, or activision, or (insert game publisher/studio here) they would likely say just deal with it.  Heck Valve has had us on a cliff hanger for HL3 for how long???  Valve doesn't even get cupcakes for heavens sake.  While BW is no longer an instant purchase for me, I still respect them and I'm eagerly awaiting what they are gonna do.  

[AlanC9]

BobSmith101 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...
Ships are just not designed to function without gate travel. 

Where do people get this bizarre idea?

From playing the game. They just don't hold enough fuel and likely food. Nothing bizarre about it.
Unless you are talking about backyard travel ? Which is all together irrelevent.

Not sure what you mean by "backyard" there. Hundreds of light-years is "backyard"?

In ME2 and 3 interstellar travel without a relay expends little fuel. (Of course, there's no fuel ME1.) Difficult to tell how much because we don't know the distances between those systems. There's no evidence in the game to conclude anything much about fuel use for interstellar travel.

Edit: we may have radically different perspectives on what's going on when travelling between systems in ME2 and . My take -- especially in ME3 , is that we're seeing only the interesting systems in that cluster, rather than all the stars.

Also note that fuel capacity on existing ships is designed for existing conditions. A mission to Ilos was not considered impossible without a relay. Merely impractical.

Occasionally, a university will organize an expedition to chart a route to Ilos using conventional FTL drive. These never get beyond the planning stages due to the distance and danger. The journey could take years or decades, passing through the hostile Terminus Systems and dozens of unexplored systems. 

Codex entries are quite vague on range limits, which seem to be highly variable (except for Reapers which have no range limits). However, we do know that ships are built for journeys of many days, both from crew quarters info and since drive discharge itself can take days at a moon with a weak magnetic field. (Note that the Codex and ME2/3 gameplay are incoherent  -- this is a good thing since the codex is more convenient and more detailed )

And standard interstellar drives move at 12 light-years a day. This gets you from here to Arcturus in three days. A little more since you'll probably need to detour and discharge the core en route.

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 avril 2012 - 07:49 .

[Foxhound2121]

Psh, speak for yourself. I want my extended cut and I am satisfied with it as long as it is closure.

It needs to be lots of closure though and not just a really short scene.

Modifié par Foxhound2121, 24 avril 2012 - 06:37 .

[DoctorEss]

mupchu777 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Forget bout the EC. If I were Bioware...

Well.... good thing you're not us then.

Seriously guys BW has been working hard on the DLC...  I think we OWE them a chance at this point.  They read the boards, they know whats being said.  I understand the desire for BG3 but...  thats a pipe dream at this point.  Why on earth would BW abandon DA and ME considering it's IP they own and it's extremely popular!?!  Just the fact that there are so many people ****ing about the ME3 ending will tell you that people are invested in the game...  Look at this point let's be constructive about what we want because this other chatter isn't doing anything except pissing people off.  I mean really...  it's not like BW can tell us exactly whats in the DLC (cause that would just ruin it).  They are hard at work on stuff, when they have news to post they will.  I've seen several twitter posts by the writing team of ME on epic meetings (and believe me if you've ever sat in a 4 hour meeting you know how it is) over the last few weeks.  There is absolutely nothing they can do right now aside what they are doing...  They don't typically comment on EMS issues cause really they really only need to do that when they have a fix (several people have already said they are looking at it so why post more on it...  and even then whats the point of talking about it if you don't have a fix immenant..  spend more time fixing than running fire drills).  

All that said I lost a lot of respect for BW at the onset of this cause lets face it the ending sucked (no need to go on as to why as it's been covered multiple times).  I think they do deserve some credit for admiting there are issues and trying to fix them.  We all complain but look...  if this was ubisoft, or activision, or (insert game publisher/studio here) they would likely say just deal with it.  Heck Valve has had us on a cliff hanger for HL3 for how long???  Valve doesn't even get cupcakes for heavens sake.  While BW is no longer an instant purchase for me, I still respect them and I'm eagerly awaiting what they are gonna do.  

I owe them nothing.  I've already given them money for the game, what more do I "owe" them?  Money, mind you, that they held onto for six weeks while I waited on a face import patch so I could play my own Shepard(s).  A patch, mind you, that DID NOT WORK.  For a feature that should have worked from day 1.  I had to rely on a fan-fix to get my Shep into the game.  The one that Bioware claimed their patch accurately represented.

You say oh, they're working hard on the DLC!  Well, that's speculation.  A word this fourm just loves, but, really, that's all it is.  Speculation.  They could have 2 guys working on it in the afternoons before they head home, which is why it'll take so long, for all you know.

Extending something doesn't make it better.  If you have a fever, and you feel awful, will having a longer, higher fever be even better?  No.  No it won't.

Also, don't even compare Valve to Bioware.  They aren't even in the same league.  Valve would never have screwed something up this badly, nor left critical issues in the game broken for this long.  SO many bugs, story errors, import problems, faces still awful, laundry list of problems.

That said, Valve hasn't "had you" on a "cliffhanger" for HL3.  They've never even announced such a game is being made, and generally only even hint at the possibility of it.  If they say they're making something, they do, and they are not afraid of holding it back for months, or even years, to make sure it's exactly what they want it to be.  (Such as TF2).  They don't rush things out before they're done.

Even if the EC and every non-cashcow...I mean "multiplayer" DLC is a total love letter to fans (instead of a love letter to EA shareholders), Bioware is still going to be climbing up a very, very tall hill.

If you alienate your fanbase enough, you can make all the DLC you please, but it doesn't mean anyone's going to buy it.  Wouldn't doubt the DLC of ME3 will go the same route as the DLC from DA2.  Disappear.

Modifié par DoctorEss, 24 avril 2012 - 06:39 .