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[whiteraider]

Eclipse merc wrote...

I've pretty much given up hope that the EC will make anything better.

If they go the way they have said, I agree...

Hopefully they are behaving like EA Marketing and misdirecting us! 

[Emzamination]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

HighFlyingDwarf wrote...

they're clarifying an unclarifiable ending.

 Why don't you go write a better one or get off your soap box

People have.

Yeah? and where are these supposed endings?

[RaggieRags]

Emzamination wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

HighFlyingDwarf wrote...

they're clarifying an unclarifiable ending.

 Why don't you go write a better one or get off your soap box

People have.

Yeah? and where are these supposed endings?

Fanfiction.net.

[Adanu]

Zolt51 wrote...

 I'd just cut and run.

Just look at the polls here. The EC will satisfy maybe 20% of the fans. According to the rest it will be more like twisting the knife. Why even bother? Every day that passes the tone on BSN turns ever more negative. After the ending, it's every little flaw, perceived inconsistency and decrease in quality in ME3 that's being passed under the microscope. The consensus is clear, the game isn't worth sh*t (Actually it's down to circa $30, the joy was unanimous over that).

Well, having the team keep working on patches, DLC and stuff for who knows how many more months simply isn't worth it. These guys cost moneys, and EA is still reporting losses. No sense in digging ourselves in deeper.

Forget the ME franchise. It's toxic.  OK, we heard you, saw the writing on the wall, learned the lesson, let's not do it again! 
Let's get as far away from there as possible in fact. 

Speaking of which... can anyone dig up those old D&D license papers? What was the expiry date on those? I hear there's been some interesting stuff going on in the Forgotten realms universe. 

The sooner we stop prolonging the agony over ME3, the sooner work on Baldur's Gate 3 can begin. What say ye?

Oh look, another troll thread with lots of stupid.

BG3 can blow me.

[abaris]

Emzamination wrote...

Yeah? and where are these supposed endings?

All over the place. The spoiler section is a good starting point for your quest.

[MDT1]

whiteraider wrote...

Eclipse merc wrote...

I've pretty much given up hope that the EC will make anything better.

If they go the way they have said, I agree...

Hopefully they are behaving like EA Marketing and misdirecting us! 

Yeah, we can at least hope untill we have EC in our hands and I'll definitly look at it.
Hope is a mighty tool, I even managed to do a second playthrough when I still could talk myselve into beliveing the IT and that BW will announce it any day.

I even tried a new ME3 playthrough some days back as I really enjoyed the game, but I lost all desire to complete it very fast.

[RaggieRags]

Adanu wrote...

Oh look, another troll thread with lots of stupid.

BG3 can blow me.

Thank you contibuting something worthwhile yourself, then.

[survivor_686]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Forget bout the EC. If I were Bioware...

Well.... good thing you're not us then.

Hear, Hear

[OlympusMons423]

I can see way the EC could work. I hope they hire voice actors and do some deeper scenes (some involving any surviving love interest) on the Garden Planet.

I am wait and see for now. I do not want to come off as I will hate you no matter what you do now. I don't hate BioWare...I just hated this ending as it is. If they show me they made a good effort and address many of the ending flaws...I will give them a chance

[Zolt51]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Forget bout the EC. If I were Bioware...

Well.... good thing you're not us then.

Well played, sir. Well played!

It's just beyond me to stay polite to a mob that screams abuse. I don't know how you guys do it.

Whatever you're working on, keep cool, and good luck. Just know that there are some of us yet who support you guys.

Cheers.

P.S: Sorry for not maintaining my own thread. I was in china for a while and for some reason they make it very difficult to access any site that starts with "social". Which is just weird.

Modifié par Zolt51, 26 avril 2012 - 03:25 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Zolt51 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

The EC will satisfy maybe 20% of the fans

Since you seem to have powers of foresight, could you maybe tell us what the EC will include?

I've no idea, but IF the EC is what Bioware said and no more as in extra clarification and cutscenes, without changing the current ending, the polls are clear. Same uproar all over again.

I'm actually inclined to agree with the OP. The EC was NOT what fans were asking for, and Bioware has made it clear the EC is more 'an explaination for the idiots who didn't understand our genius'.

I'm going to wait until the EC is out however, and see what Bioware has planned, but I'm not holding my breathe.

[Zolt51]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I'm going to wait until the EC is out however, and see what Bioware has planned, but I'm not holding my breathe.

If you're hoping for anything other than what EA has announced, then you are correct not to.

Holding your breath for 3 months would be a bit extreme in any case.

[sAxMoNkI]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Forget bout the EC. If I were Bioware...

Well.... good thing you're not us then.

priestlyLAD

[Cyne]

No, no, no. The mass effect series deserves a better conclusion, sure the extended cut won't offer us different endings, nor will it get rid of that stupid star kid, but it'll certainly improve on the ending we have now. They can't make it any worse. It's not even about bioware at this point, not really. It's about what has been created here, this fantastic story that still has so much potential, that has brought us together and given us something of real cultural value. To cut their losses and give up on it entirely would be an incredible loss.

Modifié par Cyne, 27 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[9erzo9]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Forget bout the EC. If I were Bioware...

Well.... good thing you're not us then. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]



[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Seriously, this attempted-sarcastic remark just proves OPs point and it's this kind of thing that really makes me start to dislike BioWare.

I'm not even going to bother with a long reply, but know this: Your leaders will beg to serve EA. Your company will fall.
Okay, ME2 quote here. But fact. No matter what you say now, no matter how sarcastic your attempted-trolling replies will be; idgaf: BioWare will undergo some retrofitting - I hope you keep your job when that day comes

Good day.

Modifié par 9erzo9, 26 avril 2012 - 06:30 .

[Julie the bogan]

9erzo9 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Forget bout the EC. If I were Bioware...

Well.... good thing you're not us then. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]



[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Seriously, this attempted-sarcastic remark just proves OPs point and it's this kind of thing that really makes me start to dislike BioWare.

I'm not even going to bother with a long reply, but know this: Your leaders will beg to serve EA. Your company will fall.
Okay, ME2 quote here. But fact. No matter what you say now, no matter how sarcastic your attempted-trolling replies will be; idgaf: BioWare will undergo some retrofitting - I hope you keep your job when that day comes

Good day.

They don't call him Evil Chris for nothing!

[Remus A]

Dagoth14 wrote...

I guess I'm part of that 20% then.

[Davescarface]

I will happily re-buy ME3 if Bioware make a genuine attempt to improve the ending and add a lot more closure. I don't think this DLC is a waste of time at all if its done well. I would've preferred a new ending myself, but lets give Bioware a chance and not write this off before its even out.

Modifié par Davescarface, 26 avril 2012 - 08:23 .

[gavccu]

Agree. Everyone should just give Bioware time. ME3 was well worth the money, i had a great time playing it (and the whole trilogy). Added closure with the EC can only make things better.
Don't get me wrong players deserve the right to feel disappointed about the ending, and thus give bioware the appropriate feedback, but i think sometimes there is way too much negativity in these forums lately.

[Mole267]

Stick a fork in BioWare. Unless Dragon Age III ends up being awesome.

[BrysonC]

Lol?

I don't want Mass Effect to end just because some people are principled consumers and make their voices heard. I may not agree with them, but it's only a good thing when fans can voice their dissent as well as their admiration.

And I have high hopes for this franchise's future.

[Mole267]

BrysonC wrote...

Lol?

I don't want Mass Effect to end just because some people are principled consumers and make their voices heard. I may not agree with them, but it's only a good thing when fans can voice their dissent as well as their admiration.

And I have high hopes for this franchise's future.

From the looks of it, multiplayer is what's next for Mass Effect.

[Sagar DKar]

Look I love ME games. Yes the ending did not sit well with me, but the game as a whole was great. I just wish Bioware would not get PMS (Peter Molyneux Syndrome) and promise us things that in the game that aren't going to happen. Such as no 3 endings (Hudson) or multiplayer won't effect ending (Game Informer). Just be honest with us. If things change let us know. You have a website, use it.

What also scares me is another game did a crappy ending and tried to fix it later, but took to long for it to come out. It was called Divinity 2...that franchise is gone.

[fainmaca]

Emzamination wrote...

Yeah? and where are these supposed endings?

Ahem.

Not to blow my own trumpet, but....
*Begins blowing own Trumpet*

fainmaca wrote...

This endings fiasco has had me thinking a lot about how I plan to end my story, particularly the wide variety I'm offering to you, my readers. Because of this, I have decided to post a little something here to allow you a glimpse at the inner mechanics of my story.

*First of all, this will contain MODERATE TO HEAVY SPOILERS for my fic. You have been warned.*

The first and foremost facet that I felt (and still, to a degree, feel) was central to the Mass Effect franchise was the idea of choice and consequence, cause and effect, morals and responsibility. To that end, my story needed to have a variety of endings that gave very clear indications of consequence. Not just a different feeling to the ending, a different message or a different set of choices, but an actual, huge variance between the endings an individual Shepard would get. To this end, I came up with a simple, although work-intensive, solution: 6 Different locations for the final confrontation, dependent on five important choices. Now, obviously I won't reveal the locations just yet, but I'll refer to them as locations 1 through 6.

Now, these endings, and which one you get is decided by five choices: Whether you Spare or Kill The Illusive Man in Chapter 35: The Heart Of Darkness, Whether you choose to Save or Destroy Omega in Chapter 23: The Cartels Gather, Whether you choose to Spare or Destroy Arcturus Station in Chapter 36: The Enemy Advances, Whether you choose to Preserve or Destroy the Collector Base (Mass Effect 2, obviously), and whether you choose to Save the Council or Not (Mass Effect 1).

These endings are sequentially worse for Shepard and the defending Galaxy, each representative of a lost advantage until you finally reach the last and most desperate situation. The endings flow like this:

Ending A: Location 1 (TIM Choice 1)

Ending B: Location 2 (TIM Choice 2, Omega Choice 1)

Ending C: Location 3 (TIM Choice 2, Omega Choice 2, Arcturus Choice 1)

Ending D: Location 4 (TIM Choice 2, Omega Choice 2, Arcturus Choice 2, Council Choice 1)

Ending E: Location 5 (TIM Choice 2, Omega Choice 2, Arcturus Choice 2, Council Choice 2, Collector Base Choice 1)

Ending F: Location 6 (TIM Choice 2, Omega Choice 2, Arcturus Choice 2, Council Choice 2, Collector Base Choice 2)

As you can see, it is possible to get the best possible advantage for the end battle through just one choice, but that choice may or may not be made depending on individual preferences. One thing I should point out about these choices is that choosing the best path does not mean all of the choices made are paragon/renegade. They are a mix of choices of varying morality, meaning you have to choose what feels right to you and then see where that takes you. This is the second point I feel is important to Mass Effect: Paragon does not equal the right choice. Morals don't necessarily mean assured victory.

Moving on, I'd now like to show you how I add further variance to these six distinct endings. I do this through the Mass Effect Organisations.

Throughout the narrative of the games, Shepard forms relationships with not only key individuals in the Galaxy, but also with the peoples, networks and organisations spread throughout galactic society. I've isolated a list of 19 of the key players in these organisations, incorporating them into the mechanics of the story. These organisations are:
1. The Systems Alliance
2. The Terminus Cartels
3. The Krogan Empire
4. The Turian Hierarchy
5. The Asari Republics
6. The Salarian Union
7. The Batarian Hegemony
8. The Quarian Migrant Fleet
9. The Geth Collective
10. The Rachni Swarm
11. The Vol Protectorate
12. The Hanar Illuminated Primacy
13. The Drell Remnant
14. The Elcor
15. ***SPOILERS***
16. Cerberus
17.The Shadow Broker Network
18. The Citadel Council
19. ***SPOILERS***

These organisations have a number of factors tied to them that decide net military strength as well as the future of the individual group. I track these factors by assigning points to them finally deciding the organisation's strength out of it's total potential. For example, The Krogan Empire is tracked like this:

The Krogan Empire

Clan Urdnot
Wrex
Alive: 2
Dead: 0
Grunt
Alive: 2
Dead: 0
Krogan Empire
Formed: 0
Not: -10

Genophage
Genophage Cure
Given to Krogan: 2
Kept away: 0
Mordin
Alive: 2
Dead: 0
Maelon’s research
Kept: 0
Destroyed: 2


Net strength: ten out of a possible ten. The Krogan Empire will donate its full potential to the War Effort. This means that, aside from the assets it gives to the War Effort, the Krogan Empire will also achieve the best possible ending available to it, depending on Shepard's level of success in the final battle.

In addition, the individual organisations add to the Galaxy's net War potential. To continue the Example above, the Krogan Empire presents 8% of the Galaxy's potential. Given the fact that 10 out of ten points were achieved, that means the full 8% is added to Shepard's War assets. If Shepard failed to secure the full potential of the Krogan, then the combat potential is reduced to scale (i.e. 5 points would net 4%). In addition, Technology upgrades represent 10% of the Galaxy's War potential, while also saving the lives of individual crew members in the ending sequence.

These little packets of War potential are added together to give me the total figure for Shepard's chances in the endgame. In total, there is 120% War potential available, although its impossible to get all of it as some choices will negate certain assets in favour of others, meaning the total attainable points are just over 100%. Once all of the points are decided, I add them together to decide Shepard's net readiness. This affects the outcome of the end battle, affected by the location (or desperation) of the endgame. The end potential gives you one of four possible endings, scaling with location as follows:

Ending A:
30 or less: Total failure. Reaper victory. Cycle continues.
30- 50: Victory with crippling losses. Shepard and Normandy lost in final battle
50- 70: Victory with acceptable losses. Normandy survives, Shepard dies.
70+: Total victory. Shepard + Co survive final battle.

Ending B:
35 or less: Total failure. Reaper victory. Cycle continues.
35- 55: Victory with crippling losses. Shepard and Normandy lost in final battle
55- 75: Victory with acceptable losses. Normandy survives, Shepard dies.
75+: Total victory. Shepard + Co survive final battle.

Ending C:
40 or less: Total failure. Reaper victory. Cycle continues.
40- 60: Victory with crippling losses. Shepard and Normandy lost in final battle
60- 80: Victory with acceptable losses. Normandy survives, Shepard dies.
80+: Total victory. Shepard + Co survive final battle.


Ending D:
45 or less: Total failure. Reaper victory. Cycle continues.
45- 65: Victory with crippling losses. Shepard and Normandy lost in final battle
65- 85: Victory with acceptable losses. Normandy survives, Shepard dies.
85+: Total victory. Shepard + Co survive final battle.


Ending E:
50 or less: Total failure. Reaper victory. Cycle continues.
50- 70: Victory with crippling losses. Shepard and Normandy lost in final battle.
70- 90: Victory with acceptable losses. Normandy survives, Shepard dies.
90+: Total victory. Shepard + Co survive final battle.


Ending F:
55 or less: Total failure. Reaper victory. Cycle continues.
55- 75: Victory with crippling losses. Shepard and Normandy lost in final battle
75- 95: Victory with acceptable losses. Normandy survives, Shepard dies.
95+: Total victory. Shepard + Co survive final battle.

As you can see, once Shepard reaches the endgame, he already faces a situation where he needs to be absolutely ready. If he's made the wrong choices and finds himself at Location F, he faces the amost impossible task of convincing a nearly perfect army to fight at your back.

In relation to this, the organisations' futures are affected by the ending Shepard secures combined with their individual scores. For example, if Shepard gets the best result possible (Location 1, 70+% War potential), then the Krogan Empire, with full war assets earned, gets the absolute best outcome, whatever that may be, but if Shepard onlt secures a mediocre outcome (Say Location 1, 30-50%), then the Krogan get a mediocre future, possibly with the loss of key named characters. Of course, if the Total Reaper Victory ending is achieved, then all races are wiped out, no matter what.

So, in actual fact, there are 24 different endings that can be achieved in this fic (6 ending battles x 4 outcomes). However, due to the fact that any combination of the 23 squadmates could be lost, either due to technologies not gained or through poor specialist choices in the endgame, and the 19 organisations have 4 unique possible futures, you could actually claim (if you use Bioware's logic) that there are thousands of possible different endings to the fic. So far, the reader votes haven't even secured anything beyond Total Reaper Victory, so there's a lot of work to be done.

Anyway, that's a little insight into how my fic is planned and structured. I'd love to hear any thoughts/comments. as you can see, I have a fair amount of work ahead of me, so I'd better get to it.

Fainmaca Out.

Modifié par fainmaca, 26 avril 2012 - 10:35 .

[Shinobu]

MDT1 wrote...

whiteraider wrote...

Eclipse merc wrote...

I've pretty much given up hope that the EC will make anything better.

If they go the way they have said, I agree...

Hopefully they are behaving like EA Marketing and misdirecting us! 

Yeah, we can at least hope untill we have EC in our hands and I'll definitly look at it.
Hope is a mighty tool, I even managed to do a second playthrough when I still could talk myselve into beliveing the IT and that BW will announce it any day.

I even tried a new ME3 playthrough some days back as I really enjoyed the game, but I lost all desire to complete it very fast.

Hope for the best and hedge your bets.