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[Cantina]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Sex scenes don't have to be akin to porn. If the writers think that people specifically want that, you're mistaken.

You can show sex without showing nudity or ridiculously showing them doing it with underwear on. Look at Shepard's scene with Liara in ME3, they showed them doing it, full nude, but used angles that didn't reveal anything and didn't show the more tawdry parts like the thrusting, humping, and moaning.

You can have the characters under the sheets and just show parts that emphasize the emotional and physical connection between the two. It doesn't have to be softcore or hardcore.

You know this made me think of Sims 3. Funny how they can show two people doing the dirty deed and its rated for Teen....LMAO! Yet in Dragon Age we can cut off someone's head and have blood splatter all over, but showing a more passionate romance is considered "EVIL". Sorry, I cannot help but laugh at this logic, its just too damn funny.

[Cantina]

Avejajed wrote...

David Gaider just made me feel really...sinful for liking the sex scenes.

Wash behind the ears, evil usually gets suck there.

[nightscrawl]

Brockololly wrote...

Yet Anders goes Kamikaze terrorist no matter what, while Alistair can end up as 1.) King, 2.) Warden, 3.) Drunk/Exile, or 4.) Martyr and if you romanced him, the Warden's status can change accordingly too, whether thats as Queen or mistress or just staying as a fellow Warden or a widow of sorts. I think thats some reason people like it, is that its quite variable at the end. People like having choices/consequences like that. So while Anders might "change" based on friendship/rivalry, what does it matter if in the end he gets funneled down to the same plot point of terrorist no matter what? I think thats what people dislike most- having the illusion of some reactivity or choice only to have it smushed into a one size fits all ending that makes it obvious nothing you've had a hand in previously really mattered. Thats one of my major issues with DA2 overall, not just the romances.

-- minor SPOILER for Anders --

The contrast between Anders losing control in rivalry versus maintaining control in friendship is really the the whole point, regardless of romance status. The romance itself just adds a higher note of tragedy to what is already a tragic character. In the Questioning Beliefs after you visit the Chantry, on a rival path he eventually goes all Justice-glowy and tells you to leave. One of my favorite responses is the aggressive "This is Anders's decision, not yours," and Anders's response, because it shows how there is less and less of him as time goes on if you take a rivalry path. This is further shown in his rivalry dialogue after the Chantry explodes.

By contrast, the friendship path has Anders remaining in control. Sure, Justice is still there, but he's not the overpowering influence that is he on the rivalry path.

Whether you romance him or not, you have a great opportunity to strongly influence his character growth, moreso than any other character in the entire game, including your own PC (which is probably a discussion for another thread...)

syllogi wrote...

Especially lyrium tattooed elf males.

the_one_54321 wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...
Not all depictions of sex are meant to be titilating.

Exactly how much character development occurs while they are going at it? I mean, not the before, not the after, but the cloths are "off" and the act is in session.

Alright, let's move away from the whole rape discussion that developed from this and move back into DA2, since we can all have that as a point of reference.

People have sex for various reasons; physical reasons as well as emotional reasons. You can't tell me that Fenris didn't have any emotional development while they were having sex. Part of it was the memories yes, but we don't know when he had the flashes. Part of it also is his reaction to his own impulsive decision, which is negative.

It's really difficult to tell with him because he's so guarded, which is partly what makes him an interesting character to begin with. Because of this I felt that his romance (as well as Isabela's to a degree, although I've only romanced her once) was the most rewarding because he has to have his own growth in order to feel that he deserves loving someone and being loved.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 25 avril 2012 - 11:12 .

[TEWR]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Bahaha. I've been wondering lately whether that was a bluff, and what it might mean for a relationship with a kossith.

It is. Sten was just messing with Morrigan. Mary Kirby confirmed it somewhere long ago in a galaxy far, far away.

[wsandista]

Just thought there not only needs to be a Kossith romance but a Dwarf too.
Please just don't make any of the romances characters from previous DA games, do all new characters for the entire party too.

[WhiteKnyght]

Cantina wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Sex scenes don't have to be akin to porn. If the writers think that people specifically want that, you're mistaken.

You can show sex without showing nudity or ridiculously showing them doing it with underwear on. Look at Shepard's scene with Liara in ME3, they showed them doing it, full nude, but used angles that didn't reveal anything and didn't show the more tawdry parts like the thrusting, humping, and moaning.

You can have the characters under the sheets and just show parts that emphasize the emotional and physical connection between the two. It doesn't have to be softcore or hardcore.

You know this made me think of Sims 3. Funny how they can show two people doing the dirty deed and its rated for Teen....LMAO! Yet in Dragon Age we can cut off someone's head and have blood splatter all over, but showing a more passionate romance is considered "EVIL". Sorry, I cannot help but laugh at this logic, its just too damn funny.

I wouldn't mind if they returned to the style used in Origins(minus the "smallclothes"), I don't like how we fade to black in DAII and suddenly everyone is back to normal, save for Merrill and Hawke's scene.

What I was suggesting is a middle ground. They can show the sex tastefully so everyone is happy.

Also the world's standard for like... ever, has been that nudity is worse than violence. Disembowl and gore someone in a game and it only gets a M rating. Show some nudity or sexual content, and its likely to get an AO rating or be banned outright.

[katiebour]

 I enjoy the sex scenes in both Dragon Age and Mass Effect.  That's not all there is to a romance, by a long shot, but physical and/or emotional intimacy is part of the evolution of a relationship.

Something that I actually really liked was the convo at the beginning of Act III with Anders.  He goes from berating Merrill to talking darkly about the mage plight, and if distracted by Hawke can have a moment where he focuses on the relationship rather than his geas.

And that's what romancing Anders is about- his conflict between what he has to do and what he wants to do, about retaining his humanity while merged with a spirit.  And the little "Merrill's gone now, is that all you can think of to do?" was great- that smirk and the slow advance on Hawke with a fade-to-black implies that the roguish "everybody was kissing everybody" mage is still in there.  The scene didn't even show a kiss but built his character and the relationship.

That plus his codex entry naming him an ardent and faithful lover, him saying that Hawke is the only reason he retains any sanity at all- these are the things that build a relationship in a game, and illustrate what it means to the characters involved..

I'd gladly stick with the tasteful fade-to-black if it meant my PC had more relationship-building codex entries/little cutscenes showing the development and importance of the relationship to the characters involved.

Some examples of scenes I'd liked to have seen in DA2 are the following:
Fenris- how does Hawke go from that one night to having him back in party?  Did they try to discuss it with him?  Did he shut them down?  I can't believe three years went by with absolutely no discussion of what passed between them.

Interactions between Hawke's household and their LI- a dinner with Leandra, or how they relate to Orana.

Objects in the house that are tagged as from or related to the different characters- show me Anders trying to play the lute.  Did they have musical instruction in the Circle?  Is Orana teaching him?  Show me Merrill planting that garden she wants.  Show me Fenris poring over Hawke's books, or Isabela carving naughty things into the stairwell.

And BW does a great job of selective editing- showing one character handing something to another, implied by the forward movement of their model and eyes as they gaze down at what they are "holding."  All of these scenes could be accomplished by similar means, but would add to the idea that PC + LI actually have a relationship outside of kisses and tent time.

That being said, I still enjoy the kiss and love scenes, and would love to see ME3-style animated scenes.  Also cuddling when and where appropriate between characters (Isabela probably wasn't much of a cuddler in Act II XD)

[Kidd]

Just to add my opinions to the pile of opinions in this thread already~~

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I've actually always preferred the fade to black. I don't know why but I always feel weird watching it play out haha.

Agreed.

Allan Schumacher wrote...

As an aside, I also like how Shepard is completely unphased by Steve mentioning that he lost his husband, indicating that in his time it's just not an issue. Which I also think is awesome. This coming from a heterosexual, so I can only hope that most of the LGBT community feel it's a good gesture too! (they seem to)

 
Well, this one certainly does.

David Gaider wrote...

I don't think we'd really be missing much by not having sex scenes at all (or the "afterglow" talk).

Wah? But but... afterglow talks can bring a lot. Not that all romances need them I suppose, but I remember Merrill's afterglow scene in particular for instance being very nice and the lines wouldn't have fit as well in another situation.

Cantina wrote...

I would like to know why is it if I choose to side with the mages and save Anders life, then choose to run away with him my character does not get that last “I love you” and a kiss? I felt like I was being punished and I chose the wrong side.

 
I suppose that's just how the scene plays out. Not all romances should do the same things at the same time, that's a good thing. And well, "Ten years, a hundred years from now, someone like me will love someone like you, and there will be no templars to tear them apart" is definitely one of my favourite lines ever. Oh the tears the first time I heard that line... I'd never trade that for a simple "I love you," myself =) Though of course, they're by no means exclusive.

[brushyourteeth]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Bahaha. I've been wondering lately whether that was a bluff, and what it might mean for a relationship with a kossith.

It is. Sten was just messing with Morrigan. Mary Kirby confirmed it somewhere long ago in a galaxy far, far away.

Awesome, thanks!

I actually reall can't believe we're all talking about why DA should have more graphic sex in it. I don't want the devs to waste any time or resources on anything that isn't plot or character-driven. The way a particular LI likes to take it and what their face looks like during has absolutely nothing to do with their character. I don't have a problem with the fact that the characters do in fact have sex, but let's not make it graphic. Let porn be porn and video games be video games.

[Direwolf0294]

David Gaider wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
As for more skin showing in romance scenes, I'd rather not. It doesn't really bother me, but it isn't something I enjoy watching. I like scenes that are more focused on the emotional aspect of romance rather than the physical. It's enough for me to know that these characters I created got some action in the span of ten years. I don't need to see it happen.

Neither do I. I get that some people think we should show nudity in our sex scenes, or have multiple sex scenes... but the reason we shy away from that isn't because of ratings/censorship but because we're not keen on it. Often it just feels gratuitous (and someone can say whatever they like about the Witcher scenes, they were definitely gratuitous -- and that's not a reflection on the quality of the game itself, just the truth), particularly when used as the culmination of a romance... as if sex was the point of romance?

Some people might enjoy the "jackpot!" moment, I guess... but personally I'd rather get away from sex scenes completely instead of focusing on them even more heavily.

I can't speak for anyone else but for me the reason I'd like to see better sex scenes in the Dragon Age universe isn't because I want to see some hardcore porn or feel like my character 'got some', it's because of the emotional aspect that you guys yourself are keen on portraying. What I want from the sex scenes is a tender moment were the characters show their full love for each other. A scene that's heavy in emotion and not just characters humping each other for the sake of it. Once again I'll cite Mass Effect and say that I thought the sex scenes with Liara are a perfect example of this. They were the sort of scenes that helped advance the relationship on a deeper level just as much as having a long conversation about the state of the universe or going on a date did. They weren't just 'sex' as you seem to think these sort of scenes are.

You say you want to focus on the emotional aspect of the romances yet having the cut to black or the charcters dry humping each other in their underwear takes away from that emotional aspect. When you spend time building up a deep emotional connection between two characters and then show those two characters going at it like they're in a B grade porno trying to get a PG13 rating you do a diservice to the characters and to the relationship that was developed. It's like you're saying the whole thing was a joke and the sole goal of it was to 'get some' for your characer.

The cut to black scenes aren't as bad, though they still do detract a bit I think. The real problem with them though, or at least the ones in DA2, was the scenes that happened after. I liked seeing my Hawke and Mirrill laying in bed together and talking. What I didn't like has that they were fully clothed and that Mirrill was wearing, as someone earlier in the thread put it, Elf hooker outfit 6. It's not so much that showing nudity makes the game more sexy or erotic or something, it's that the lack of it detracts greatly from these deep relationships that have been building up and reduce the whole thing to feeling like a joke.

[katiebour]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I can't speak for anyone else but for me the reason I'd like to see better sex scenes in the Dragon Age universe isn't because I want to see some hardcore porn or feel like my character 'got some', it's because of the emotional aspect that you guys yourself are keen on portraying. What I want from the sex scenes is a tender moment were the characters show their full love for each other. A scene that's heavy in emotion and not just characters humping each other for the sake of it. Once again I'll cite Mass Effect and say that I thought the sex scenes with Liara are a perfect example of this. They were the sort of scenes that helped advance the relationship on a deeper level just as much as having a long conversation about the state of the universe or going on a date did. They weren't just 'sex' as you seem to think these sort of scenes are.

You say you want to focus on the emotional aspect of the romances yet having the cut to black or the charcters dry humping each other in their underwear takes away from that emotional aspect. When you spend time building up a deep emotional connection between two characters and then show those two characters going at it like they're in a B grade porno trying to get a PG13 rating you do a diservice to the characters and to the relationship that was developed. It's like you're saying the whole thing was a joke and the sole goal of it was to 'get some' for your characer.

The cut to black scenes aren't as bad, though they still do detract a bit I think. The real problem with them though, or at least the ones in DA2, was the scenes that happened after. I liked seeing my Hawke and Mirrill laying in bed together and talking. What I didn't like has that they were fully clothed and that Mirrill was wearing, as someone earlier in the thread put it, Elf hooker outfit 6. It's not so much that showing nudity makes the game more sexy or erotic or something, it's that the lack of it detracts greatly from these deep relationships that have been building up and reduce the whole thing to feeling like a joke.

^This.  I loved the conversation Anders has with Hawke post love-scene, because for a precious, tiny space of time he looks genuinely happy, professes his love, and shows incredible emotional vulnerability.  

 

Whether or not that convo took place fully clothed is more a matter of game resources (i.e. being unable to "undress" the characters) and less about artistic intent.

It was a little jarring how quickly they got dressed, yes, but what was more distressing was the fact that he simply disappeared from the house right after that.  Even a teensy little scene of him moving in a trunk with all of his worldly possessions, a conversation with Leandra about him moving in, something, anything.

I did like the lute, the acknowledgement of the relationship by Bodahn and Sandal, and the convo with Dog.  But seriously, don't just imply that he lives there then banish him to the clinic for the remainder of Act II.

And in Act 3 he stands in one place, saying the same line.  Let him wander around like the npcs at the Docks, give him a dozen lines to say if you click on him, Maker, give us the option to have our Hawkes give him a hug.  Obviously DA2 content is finished, but these are the kinds of things I'd like to see in DA3.

[OMTING52601]

While parts of the romances in DA 2 were compelling(I was really curious about Fenris' character, though the fact that bugs caused a lot of romance related dialogue not to play AND not being able to just talk to Fenris, aside from set times, did leave me feeling he was more 2D and thus less interesting), treating the culminations as if they weren't important put me off as a player. The scenes don't have to involve gameplay to get everyone la petit morte, but really, tastefully created sex scenes with full nudity shouldn't be too much to ask.

But it's more than the sex scenes, IMO. I felt like all the romances in DA 2 were shallow, mostly because there was so little character interaction. Having one set piece, maybe two, where Hawke interacted with their potential partner specifically per Act managed to leave me feeling unconnected and uninterested in the romance options. It just felt to me like the writers only stuck romance in because they felt they had to, not because they really cared about that aspect. I'm sure that wasn't the intention, just sharing my thoughts. And if romance arcs are worth so little time or attention, then I say just leave them out. FWIW, YMMV.

[nightscrawl]

katiebour wrote...

Fenris- how does Hawke go from that one night to having him back in party? Did they try to discuss it with him? Did he shut them down? I can't believe three years went by with absolutely no discussion of what passed between them.

This is honestly the single greatest issue I have with the Fenris romance. Not including a minor party banter in Legacy, the one and only reference to this is a line that Fenris says in his post-Alone Questioning Beliefs where he says "We've never talked about that night," and Hawke responds with "You didn't want to talk about it," giving me the impression that Hawke attempted at one time. But that's all. *sigh* Granted, it does go along with his character, but it's still frustrating XD.

katiebour wrote...

I loved the conversation Anders has with Hawke post love-scene, because for a precious, tiny space of time he looks genuinely happy, professes his love, and shows incredible emotional vulnerability.

--- SPOILER for The Last Straw ---

This is one of the reasons I don't mind killing Anders most of the time, because of the look on his face when he dies. He actually has this sort of "now I can be at peace" expression that makes the death bittersweet, even when my Hawke is furious with him for blowing up the Chantry.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 26 avril 2012 - 02:10 .

[Sylvianus]

David Gaider wrote...

Neither do I. I get that some people think we should show nudity in our sex scenes, or have multiple sex scenes... but the reason we shy away from that isn't because of ratings/censorship but because we're not keen on it. Often it just feels gratuitous (and someone can say whatever they like about the Witcher scenes, they were definitely gratuitous -- and that's not a reflection on the quality of the game itself, just the truth), particularly when used as the culmination of a romance... as if sex was the point of romance?

Some people might enjoy the "jackpot!" moment, I guess... but personally I'd rather get away from sex scenes completely instead of focusing on them even more heavily.

We do not need to take example on TW2. Just look at M3. There are some videos on youtube. I advise you to try Liara's romance in M3. Maybe you'll change a bit your mind. I'd be happy to have your opinion after that. What you'd find wrong with the final scene compared to the romance.

Sex with Liara wasn't gratuitous in M3 to me, there were true feelings  between shep and her, and they decided to express their love for each other before the end. She was naked, okay, but because actually when people are making love, they are naked. It felt just real and it should be like that if we have this situation in any game. She wasn't naked because sex was the point of the romance. We saw skin, but they didn't show * everything * That was just an intimate night at the end of the game. I didn't feel, omg, sex, yeaah.  I just thought, that was something beautiful and I moved on. 

I really don't understand. Just try to avoid all parts of naked bodies in the scene that bother you so much and that's it. Is there something I'm missing ? Because I don't think it's so difficult to do with cinematics. But, I do not work at Boware, so I don't know.  I expect to see people naked if they make love.

Really, I don't care, if we don't have anymore sex scene in DA.  I'd be fine with that. I just want something good, if we have them. Or then, black screen like Fable 3 with people screaming in bed,  and that's it.  Not really ambitious and the easy solution, but it would be already better than people with their underwear.

This is the worst thing.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 26 avril 2012 - 03:13 .

[seraphymon]

David Gaider wrote...
Neither do I. I get that some people think we should show nudity in our sex scenes, or have multiple sex scenes... but the reason we shy away from that isn't because of ratings/censorship but because we're not keen on it. Often it just feels gratuitous (and someone can say whatever they like about the Witcher scenes, they were definitely gratuitous -- and that's not a reflection on the quality of the game itself, just the truth), particularly when used as the culmination of a romance... as if sex was the point of romance?

Some people might enjoy the "jackpot!" moment, I guess... but personally I'd rather get away from sex scenes completely instead of focusing on them even more heavily.

its all about how you present it when it comes to nudity, thats the whole point we are trying to make. In DAO, it looked silly in the granny panties, especially when characters for example like Morrigan, in her braless dress, can go from that to wearing a granny bra during the romance. When you censor something like that, then it just looks silly. However I will take that over what you did in DA2. Like anything else, if your not gonna do things right and put forth enough effort, its a waste to do it at all. Its like with anything else, the hands on females, the weird way of stting on a chair with a staff on your back, the fading to black. What happened to your show, dont tell philosphy?
Doing fade to black on that can make the possibly of doing fade to black on other aspects, or other scenarios, like in battle, or visiting a shop, or in mid conversation.
Part of a romance, especially one that is supposed to last 7 years, invovles things like intimacy, you cant just shy away from it because you feel akward about it. Things like this and other even smaller stuff does indeed matter.

Modifié par seraphymon, 26 avril 2012 - 08:14 .

[Rorschachinstein]

seraphymon wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
Neither do I. I get that some people think we should show nudity in our sex scenes, or have multiple sex scenes... but the reason we shy away from that isn't because of ratings/censorship but because we're not keen on it. Often it just feels gratuitous (and someone can say whatever they like about the Witcher scenes, they were definitely gratuitous -- and that's not a reflection on the quality of the game itself, just the truth), particularly when used as the culmination of a romance... as if sex was the point of romance?

Some people might enjoy the "jackpot!" moment, I guess... but personally I'd rather get away from sex scenes completely instead of focusing on them even more heavily.

its all about how you present it when it comes to nudity, thats the whole point we are trying to make. In DAO, it looked silly in the granny panties, especially when characters for example like Morrigan, in her braless dress, can go from that to wearing a granny bra during the romance. When you censor something like that, then it just looks silly. However I will take that over what you did in DA2. Like anything else, if your not gonna do things right and put forth enough effort, its a waste to do it at all. Its like with anything else, the hands on females, the weird way of stting on a chair with a staff on your back, the fading to black. What happened to your show, dont tell philosphy?
Doing fade to black on that can mea the possibly of doing fade to black on other aspects, or other scenarios, like in battle, or visiting a shop, or in mid conversation.
Part of a romance, especially one that is suppose to last 7 years, invovles things like intimacy, you cant just shy away from it because you feel akward about it. Things like this and other even smaller stuff does indeed matter.

kudos Amigo.


If they're done right. Then all right.


I guess I'll admit it that I found the DA:O scenes to be incredibley akward, and skipped them when I could. But the DA2 scenes were passionate, and worth a look. But then there was nothing there after the love scene.

I guess what you're looking for is fullfillment that goes beyond party banter and a few lines.

[brushyourteeth]

seraphymon wrote...

In DAO, it looked silly in the granny panties, especially when characters for example like Morrigan, in her braless dress, can go from that to wearing a granny bra during the romance.

If your granny wears underwear like that, she's definitely not your typical granny.

[esper]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Cantina wrote...

I would like to know why is it if I choose to side with the mages and save Anders life, then choose to run away with him my character does not get that last “I love you” and a kiss? I felt like I was being punished and I chose the wrong side.

 

I suppose that's just how the scene plays out. Not all romances should do the same things at the same time, that's a good thing. And well, "Ten years, a hundred years from now, someone like me will love someone like you, and there will be no templars to tear them apart" is definitely one of my favourite lines ever. Oh the tears the first time I heard that line... I'd never trade that for a simple "I love you," myself =) Though of course, they're by no means exclusive.

It is also important to point out that Anders say 'I love you' times before that. He says it after the sex in act 2 and on friendship path he says it on his final question belief 'pillow talk'. There is no need to say it on friendship path in the Gallows pre-final fight talk, because that is not the issue. And I too would not trade Anders' final speech for something as simple as a kiss.

On rivalry path he doesn't say I 'love you' in question believe, but he does say it pre-final fight. I think it is a nice contrast.

And is characther is individuel so they shouldn't follow the same pattern.

[dracuella]

katiebour wrote...

A tossed-off remark about the LOVE OF YOUR CHARACTER'S LIFE by YOUR CHARACTER'S MOTHER is woefully insufficient.  Seconded about companion responses too, although I felt there was a decent effort made to acknowledge the romance- but as with every comment by every fan on this board, "We want more and better."  XD  We're such demanding little brats, eh?

I am in complete agreement with this sentiment! I cannot count the number of times I went to my mother and poked her simply to see if she didn't have anything to comment about my acquainting not only an elf but a former slave? No, no, no. And this despite her obviously commenting on the elven slave girl and my strange elven friends earlier on. Why mother, oh why art Thou not more motherly nosey?

katiebour wrote... 

.. And if a player is upset that they can't have a "nice, normal" romance with the possessed mage, waving away his fears and crushing him to her loving bosom, well, methinks they might have missed the point.  That was the same with any Warden other than a Cousland romancing Alistair, too.  That was the point of King Alistair and his Warden wife never being able to have children- the romance survives, but the line of succession is in dire peril, and civil war imminent with the King and Queen's death.  Heck, the Word of God stated in an interview that the Warden might only live for fifteen years instead of the maximum of thirty due to Archdemon proximity and the Blight, and Al's in the same boat.  And how gut-wrenching that the only child he might ever have is a witch's son with the soul of an Old God, to be raised far away from him and never to inherit the throne.  I'm not even an Al-mancer and I LOVE how his romances have massive pluses and minuses.

Some romances hurt so good, and that's what makes them memorable, heart-wrenching and cathartic.  How amazing to be filled with emotion over a video game!

Again, in complete agreement. Although my path was different, I was a Mage Elf in DA:O and I cannot begin to express the shock, sheer rage, anger, hurt, sadness and feeling of betrayal when King Alister informs me we cannot be. I have no count of the number of reloads I did to get different dialogue outcomes and all the same. So hurt was I that I both hexedited the save file to get him to ignore my race AND then reloaded and eloped with him as Grey Wardens and left rule and kingdom to Anora (who, let's be honest, will do a smashing job of it). 

It was a grand romance indeed, and like any truly great romance it was a bitter-sweet experience. The depth of it, however, took me completely by surprise. I had not expected a game to involve me so completely and have me come back so many times. And it had me explore Zevran as well simply because I -needed- to see what I was missing out on storywise. 

This feeling, this mix of knowing your LI (and very importantly, the rest of your companions) to a point where it is almost painful to put the game away and start another is what made me rush to DA2. So if we take that from DA:O and add the lenghty romance with the brilliant cutscenes and intrigues from DA2, I'm sure we have a hit in DA3

[Weskerr]

David Gaider wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
As for more skin showing in romance scenes, I'd rather not. It doesn't really bother me, but it isn't something I enjoy watching. I like scenes that are more focused on the emotional aspect of romance rather than the physical. It's enough for me to know that these characters I created got some action in the span of ten years. I don't need to see it happen.

Neither do I. I get that some people think we should show nudity in our sex scenes, or have multiple sex scenes... but the reason we shy away from that isn't because of ratings/censorship but because we're not keen on it. Often it just feels gratuitous (and someone can say whatever they like about the Witcher scenes, they were definitely gratuitous -- and that's not a reflection on the quality of the game itself, just the truth), particularly when used as the culmination of a romance... as if sex was the point of romance?

Some people might enjoy the "jackpot!" moment, I guess... but personally I'd rather get away from sex scenes completely instead of focusing on them even more heavily.

The earliest scene that you can pick chronologically when speaking with Roche in the La Valette dungeon is of Geralt waking up in bed with the nude Triss Merigold lying beside him. You can hardly call that the culmination of their romance since it's the very first time - in the chronology of the story - that you see Triss Merigold. You can call it a continuation of their romance from the Witcher 1 or, if you haven't played the first game, recognize it has a moment of intimacy for Geralt with a woman he is close to in some way.  In act 2, Geralt can tell Triss he loves her and again have sex with her. In act 3, he can show Triss he loves her by rescuing her from the Nilfgaardian dungeon. Sex, and explicity showing it, is apart of the romantic development between these two characters. In no way are the sex scenes between Geralt and Triss gratuitous. Sex and love go hand in hand in romantic relationships.

Modifié par Weskerr, 26 avril 2012 - 09:08 .

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But do you actually have to show the sex and skin to get the idea they're making love? A film cliché for instance is to show two characters in bed, covered with blankets, and clothes strewn around the room to show they were hastily taken off. If this shot comes up in the beginning, you know there's been sex but you don't really know the tone of the sex and that will have to be shown later through other means. But if the shot comes after, say, some sweet words, a kiss and a fade to black... then yeah I don't see what you've been missing aside from some graphic display of sex.

Of course, I'm the person who loves old adventure anime over the newer ones because I find the still images they use to portray combat instead of the fluid and detailed animation of today better convey the feelings of the scene instead of focusing on the details of sword swinging, so what do I know? =)

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 26 avril 2012 - 10:03 .

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brushyourteeth wrote...

seraphymon wrote...

In DAO, it looked silly in the granny panties, especially when characters for example like Morrigan, in her braless dress, can go from that to wearing a granny bra during the romance.

If your granny wears underwear like that, she's definitely not your typical granny.

Perhaps those were modeled after Andraste's granny panties - from the 'Bride of Maker' lingerie line.