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[Sacred_Fantasy]

LolaLei wrote...

I actually liked that Anders blew up the Chantry regardless, it was clear he had no control over justice and the Mages plight...

That's precisely why we lock up mentally unstable people in real life. And that's precisely why mages can't live freely as normal people. 

LolaLei wrote...

Sometimes love just isn't enough to save someone.

Love is not the issue when Al-Qaeda bombed WTC and US retaliate by killing millions Iraqi including women and children.  

LolaLei wrote...

Plus if he hadn't blown **** up then the whole Mage/Templar rebellion wouldn't have kicked off or been as poignant.

What about those mages who do want to live in the Circle? What about First Enchanter Irving and those who support existing Circle? Did Anders ever thought about them? One man action without regards of others is not heroic. It's selfish. He didn't do it for the mages. He did it for himself. I don't believe it's solely Justice's work. Anders was fully conscious when he plan the bomb. He knew what he up to from the beginning.

LolaLei wrote...


I would've liked to have more conversations with him about his past and interactions with him, just to get a deeper feeling of connection to his character. Same goes with all the companions, I just enjoy learning about interesting people.

As do I. I don't easily feel romantically interest with people with only 5 to 10 dialgue lines. But if the writer decides that it's not the focus of the game, then just  ignore the romance option and do combat all the way.I did that in DA 2.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 25 avril 2012 - 04:39 .

[Maria Caliban]

the_one_54321 wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...
Not all depictions of sex are meant to be titilating.

Exactly how much character development occurs while they are going at it? I mean, not the before, not the after, but the cloths are "off" and the act is in session.

You can be titillating and have character development.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

What about a rape scene? Did you get off while Noomi screamed in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo?

Are you talking about the book or the movie? The rape scene in the movie decided to include lingering shots of the actresses well formed behind. It was titillating, and a number of film critics complained about it.

[LiquidGrape]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

To me, DAII did need more interaction with the companions.

Personally, while I wouldn't say no to more interactions with the companions, I thought there was plenty to enjoy in DAII. There wasn't really less content than in DAO, it's just that DAII didn't repeat itself and the dialogue was distributed more evenly throughout the game.

[Uccio]

When even I hear people objecting nudity in games like DA I allways wonder why is that they do not have any problem with violence in the same game. I mean, sex and nudity are actually normal part of life whereas chopping someones head off and reveling in the rain of blood is not. I actually am a bit scared of such people and their state of mind.

[Maria Caliban]

Firewolf99 wrote...

If a sexual scene between DA2 characters was well done, out of interest, would people still be put off by the nudity? Do people even think it is possible to do one?

EDIT sorry, meant "Scene in DA3 between characters."

Some people will always be put off by nudity. Especially in a sexual context.

[Kail Ashton]

So nice uh...novel you wrote there about whatever you're going on about, thrilling as it isn't to read all that, i'll just go by the title and say uhm...yes there probably will be romances in DA3 so they'll be back? does that help?

[LiquidGrape]

Ukki wrote...

When even I hear people objecting nudity in games like DA I allways wonder why is that they do not have any problem with violence in the same game. I mean, sex and nudity are actually normal part of life whereas chopping someones head off and reveling in the rain of blood is not. I actually am a bit scared of such people and their state of mind.

While I don't disagree with the fundamental notion, you have to understand that sexuality can be incredibly problematic.

The Witcher, for example, seemed utterly oblivious to the notion of sexual politics with its creepy, achievement-like "Sex Cards".

I find the artifice of bloody giblets a lot less distressing than the idea that women are sex vending machines.

[LolaLei]

Sacred_Fantasy: I'm talking about a game, not real life. In reference to DA2 the Anders thing was bound to happen he gave us enough hints about screwing us over.

[Dutchess]

Ukki wrote...

When even I hear people objecting nudity in games like DA I allways wonder why is that they do not have any problem with violence in the same game. I mean, sex and nudity are actually normal part of life whereas chopping someones head off and reveling in the rain of blood is not. I actually am a bit scared of such people and their state of mind.

Agreed. Killing people and seeing them explode in a bloody mess is apparently normal and no issue at all, but with love scenes you get a black screen. I don't need humping scenes à la Spartacus, but the idea that sex is somehow more gross or offending than exploding bodies is odd to say the least. 

[hoorayforicecream]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Ok, point on all that. But what about when it's not something that's taboo? 

Whether it is or isn't taboo doesn't matter. The purpose of any scene is to evoke a particular feeling/reaction in the viewer/player. A good scene will always do this, whether the feeling is disgust, empathy, happiness, sadness, fear, or any of a host of other emotions. Many times the intended feeling is titillation. This is not always the case.

I believe that a sex scene can be used in a way to delve deeper and build on characters much more than simply titillate. Isabela's sex scene in DA2 is a prime example of this. The majority of the scene and character building comes *after* the sex is done, but it's important for the characters and presents a turning point in the relationship - like Lenimph said, it's not so much the end of the romance, but the beginning. It's also similar to Zevran's romance in DAO, which I thought was cruelly undercut by the achievement system. The player gets the achievement for "completing" Zevran's romance when it's barely half done, because it was set to give the romance once the sex happened. The sex in the Zevran relationship is important, but it's nowhere near the entirety or goal of the romance.

I don't think this is necessarily easy to acomplish this goal - I actually think that showing two people growing to love each other in any medium is actually really, really hard. But that doesn't mean that it isn't possible, or that producers shouldn't try. It just means that when we finally see it, it resonates with the viewer/player as it should.

I fully believe that there are emotions and feelings that require the proper depiction of sex to properly evoke in an audience. The important thing is that it's built properly, and the act is actually meaningful. The game of thrones example shows that this is possible for at least one emotion (disgust). I extrapolate from that to believe that it is possible to apply to other emotions as well (joy, love, happiness, jealousy, anger, frustration, etc.)

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 25 avril 2012 - 05:00 .

[Maria Caliban]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

Did not play ME3 but saw the Liara love scene on YouTube. Very tastfull I might say.

Yes, 'tasteful.'

I guess that's the gold standard for BioWare games.

RinjiRenee wrote...

I've never thought GRRM's depictions were sexy, but that could be me just being weirded out by GRRM's obsessions.  Many people are very disturbed by it, and I'm sure he'll never confirm one way or the other what the true intents are.

But I was disgusted.  I'm not sure if I've met anyone who was exactly thrilled by his vivid descriptions.  Gratuitous?  Hell yes.  Sexy and/or titillating?  I'm not convinced.

I was thrilled by his vivid description of Cersi having random sex with a woman because... something.

[TEWR]

LiquidGrape wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

To me, DAII did need more interaction with the companions.

Personally, while I wouldn't say no to more interactions with the companions, I thought there was plenty to enjoy in DAII. 

I thought that it just barely had enough that I could feel an interest in them and it did have enough for me to enjoy Merrill, but ultimately more was needed. 

I love Merrill -- in a safe way that is -- and I enjoy her story, but there did need to be more interaction with her as well as everyone else IMO.

Like... more philosophical Merrill. And some poetic Merrill should've been seen.

Merrill's cuteness was endearing to me. Still is actually. And I see what she does in Acts 2 and 3 as her messing with people for kicks.

But I also wanted to see her having serious discussions about serious issues beyond the arcane, which she's well versed in. I really wanted the DLCs to do this.

But then they kept doing more cute Merrill. While I loved it still, it began to push the boundaries of who she was and IMO she was inching ever closer to the range of one-dimensional.

She never made it there for me thankfully since Bioware halted all DLC for DAII, but that's where it seemed like they were taking her.

I see her as an intellectually capable person unaccustomed to the outside world. I see her as well versed in the arcane.

But I never got to really see the side of Merrill that was smart in matters beyond the arcane, when I really wanted to. And other people wanted to as well.

So this is another reason why more interaction's needed. To flesh out their personas more.

There wasn't really less content than in DAO, it's just that DAII didn't repeat itself and the dialogue was distributed more evenly throughout the game.

As for this, I'm not saying it had less. I'm saying it had the same if not slightly more, but that wasn't enough for a game that spanned 10 years and was playable for 3-4 of those years.

It had the same amount as DAO interspersed here and there, but I feel that cheapened the interactions as a result because it became kinda scheduled as well as didn't really seem to mesh well with the timeline of the game.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 25 avril 2012 - 05:15 .

[AkiKishi]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

renjility wrote...

Ukki wrote...

When even I hear people objecting nudity in games like DA I allways wonder why is that they do not have any problem with violence in the same game. I mean, sex and nudity are actually normal part of life whereas chopping someones head off and reveling in the rain of blood is not. I actually am a bit scared of such people and their state of mind.

Agreed. Killing people and seeing them explode in a bloody mess is apparently normal and no issue at all, but with love scenes you get a black screen. I don't need humping scenes à la Spartacus, but the idea that sex is somehow more gross or offending than exploding bodies is odd to say the least. 

I feel the same way about exploding bodies. In my opinion this is not necessary also. It would be unrealistic to see no blood at all when you fight but it was over the top sometimes in DA2. As for the nudity part, for me alltough it's my MC that is present during a love scene it's still something private. Sounds weird I guess but that is how I see it. The romantic part is what appeals to me not the naked part.

It's a very American double standard.The way people went pop in DA2 was more comical than anything. Added to the cartoonishness of the game. Even worse if you turned the blood off and just saw the lego bodies, perhaps that was the reason for the blood? As a distraction.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Maria Caliban wrote...
I was thrilled by his vivid description of Cersi having random sex with a woman because... something.

And I was less excited because of the thoughts she was having in the middle of the act.   But I do see your point.

[Atakuma]

If you're going to do actual sex scenes then I'd prefer it if the characters were nude, you don't actually have to show any of the naughty bits, just enough to imply that there was more going on than some spooning and heavy petting.

[brushyourteeth]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
As for the nudity part, for me alltough it's my MC that is present during a love scene it's still something private. Sounds weird I guess but that is how I see it. The romantic part is what appeals to me not the naked part.

I feel the exact same way.  Others are allowed to want more vivid sex from a game but I've just never felt the desire to go there. I mean, we're adults - we know what happens. Unless something happens during the act that improves the story, knowing that it happened and that the relationship has gone there is good enough for me.

This is one of the reasons that I so loved the culmination of Shepard's relationship with Jack in ME2. You're not even sure if they actually did it, but you know that she has shed tears in front of Shepard and let him hold her. That vulnerability is a lot more intimate and character-revealing than a few booby shots ever could be.

I'd love to see some of that attention to intimacy and not just sex in DAIII.

[TEWR]

PurebredCorn wrote...

Esbatty wrote...

KOSSITH. LOVE. INTEREST.

A strapping male kossith love interest would be pretty cool. What magnificent stature! Plus, shirtless. I imagine the romance dialogue would be a delightfully funny bonus as well.

Either Maraas or a female horned Kossith. Preferably she should also be Tal-Vashoth.

In fact, it's my belief that Maraas will be the Kossith companion in DA3. I've long since belived this to be the case.

[LolaLei]

Oh man I loved Jack in ME2/ME3, she's definitely one of my favourites!

[AkiKishi]

LolaLei wrote...

Oh man I loved Jack in ME2/ME3, she's definitely one of my favourites!

Only human character I found remotely interesting.

[Jessihatt]

I found the sex scenes is DA:O cringey.. especially if someone was in the room when I was playing.
But even when I was on my own I couldn't watch it like the other cutscenes, my walls suddenly got quite interesting.
Like someone said, Alistair's creepy face afterwards 

DA2 was more like it I suppose but again, like someone else said, the 3 year wait seems weird - especially for Isabela.

As long as there are romance scenes, I'd be happy!
Sex scenes, or lack of, wouldn't bother me.

If people want to know how 'intimate' the PC is with the LI, party banter could tease them or something, implying stuff?

Modifié par CommanderJessica, 25 avril 2012 - 05:48 .