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[GodlessPaladin]

Killmoves37 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

They just buffed one of the best abilities in the game, which is used on two of the best classes in the game (Salarian and Geth Infiltrators), and they buffed it much more significantly than they buffed the Incisor.

What the heck is Bioware thinking?

I think most people, myself included, didn't use the power because the range on it was pitiful. Now that the range is better it will be useful.

3 meters is not pitiful, nevermind that it...
-Hit through light cover.
-Conveniently caused significantly collateral damage while whittling down bosses.
-Is excellent for setting off tech bursts by yourself as an infiltrator, especially a Salarian Infiltrator.
-Can "double-hit" enemies without actually exposing yourself to them at all.
-Debuffed enemies in an area nicely.
-Did significant damage.
-Synergized very well with cloak and high damage weapons.
-Was on two of the most powerful classes in the game and was definitely NOT a dump ability.
-Can be used as a mine.

Giving it an extra 1.5 meter range is fairly significant.  Definitely more significant than the piddly bonuses they give to horrible weapons.  Now it'll be getting me even more free kills and bursts than before.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 24 avril 2012 - 11:16 .

[Killmoves37]

Feneckus wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

They just buffed one of the best abilities in the game, which is used on two of the best classes in the game (Salarian and Geth Infiltrators), and they buffed it much more significantly than they buffed the Incisor.

What the heck is Bioware thinking?

I agree. No need to buff proxy mines. It was already one of the best powers in the game.

The Geth Infiltrator was already God-like in the right hands. Now it's gonna be ridiculous.

It's a slight increase in radius. You make it sound like they replaced it with a nuke. 

[Atheosis]

Killmoves37 wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

They just buffed one of the best abilities in the game, which is used on two of the best classes in the game (Salarian and Geth Infiltrators), and they buffed it much more significantly than they buffed the Incisor.

What the heck is Bioware thinking?

I agree. No need to buff proxy mines. It was already one of the best powers in the game.

The Geth Infiltrator was already God-like in the right hands. Now it's gonna be ridiculous.

It's a slight increase in radius. You make it sound like they replaced it with a nuke. 

A 50% buff is more than a "slight increase".

[haisho]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

They just buffed one of the best abilities in the game, which is used on two of the best classes in the game (Salarian and Geth Infiltrators), and they buffed it much more significantly than they buffed the Incisor.

What the heck is Bioware thinking?

To be fair, it had the radius of a Sticky. As far as explosion radius goes, Stickies are pretty bad.

It's not like it's suddenly Biotic Explosion huge. Besides, I thought everyone liked the idea of clearing waves faster?

Modifié par haisho, 24 avril 2012 - 11:17 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Atheosis wrote...
A 50% buff is more than a "slight increase".

A 50% buff to the BASE value, which means that the radius upgrade you already should have been taking gives you more, too.

Alternatively, you could now switch to the damage upgrade and have the same 3 meter radius as before.  Even if you don't want to measure the difference in effectiveness of 3m vs 4.5m, you could just as easily think of it in terms of it having the same radius as before yet being 30% more damaging.  They certainly weren't buffing the utterly awful weapons like the Incisor by that much.

But apparently they decided that the Geth and Salarian Infiltrators were the ones who really needed some more oomph. 

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 24 avril 2012 - 11:24 .

[Atheosis]

What I don't get is why they are buffing Proximity Mine while Lift Grenade needs it 1000 times more. The Proximity Mine buff isn't game breaking or anything, but come on, there are powers that need a lot of help and they are buffing powers that are perfectly good already...

[Cyonan]

ChickenHawk07 wrote...

Ummm, an extra meter is a pretty sizable buff for the PM. If I'm reading it right, it means an extra 3 feet around impact can receive an extra 20% damage for 8 seconds. 

The thing about +1 meter radius is that in Bioware games 1 meter doesn't really equal 1 meter.

At 3 meters, it should have a range of nearly the height of 2 average humans(Maybe a little bit shorter than average humans), but I wouldn't say it has that.

Modifié par Cyonan, 24 avril 2012 - 11:19 .

[Killmoves37]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Killmoves37 wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

They just buffed one of the best abilities in the game, which is used on two of the best classes in the game (Salarian and Geth Infiltrators), and they buffed it much more significantly than they buffed the Incisor.

What the heck is Bioware thinking?

I agree. No need to buff proxy mines. It was already one of the best powers in the game.

The Geth Infiltrator was already God-like in the right hands. Now it's gonna be ridiculous.

It's a slight increase in radius. You make it sound like they replaced it with a nuke. 

A 50% buff is more than a "slight increase".

A 50% buff to the BASE value, which means that the radius upgrade you already should have been taking gives you more, too.

It's still just radius, nothing else. Not much has changed. 

[squidney2k1]

Incisor....FINALLY. But only 10%. lol. Damnit!


Only thing left now is a Wraith buff, and a GPS/Carnifex nerf.

[lolpunch]

So yeah, the Hurricane is actually a controllable weapon at ranges beyond arm's reach on non-turians now.

And I really don't understand the Proximity Mine buff either.

[InstaShark]

Well.





I think I'll go and give my Hurricane a second chance.

[astheoceansblue]

squidney2k1 wrote...

Incisor....FINALLY. But only 10%. lol. Damnit!


Only thing left now is a Wraith buff, and a GPS/Carnifex nerf.

Nope.

Bring weapons up to speed, not drag the useful ones down.

[Eriseley]

Singularity, yay!

[BTCentral]

squidney2k1 wrote...

Only thing left now is a Wraith buff.

Let's just leave it at that, no need to nerf everything.

I agree the Wraith needs a buff however, it's really is appalling at the moment - especially considering the N7 rarity.

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Nice changes. I may have to respec my SI to use Proximity Mine now that it's even more useful.

Modifié par BTCentral, 24 avril 2012 - 11:24 .

[Atheosis]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Giving it an extra 1.5 meter range is fairly significant.  Definitely more significant than the piddly bonuses they give to horrible weapons.  Now it'll be getting me even more free kills and bursts than before.

This is an interesting point.  For whatever reason they buff weapons with roughly 10% intcrements but will give massive buffs to powers, even powers that don't really need it at all.   In my opinion, Concussive Shot didn't need a 25% damage buff either.  I already often own scoreboards with my CS spam Soldier as it is.

Modifié par Atheosis, 24 avril 2012 - 11:26 .

[We Tigers]

Yeah, I'll second (errr, actually looks like about "fifth") the comments on Wraith vs. Eviscerator. I'm surprised they didn't link those. The Wraith should have gotten the weight reduction buff, too. Improving weight on that gun would be one way to distinguish it and make it a higher usage shotgun.

The buffs to singularity are cool, but it's still just a better Pull.

[Bolo Xia]

singularity base hold duration is 3 secs.

update says:
Singularity Power
- Base duration that enemies are held in the air increased from 4 to 6 seconds

yes i restarted the game, the detonation evolution says 500 damage like it supposed to according to the update.

can someone else look and verify my claim too?
either that or explain slowly in small words so i understand why i am seeing it wrong.

[Lukeman1884]

Seems like the soldier buffs are continuing. Being able to spam Marksmen more is always nice. Has anyone tried the hurricane yet? How much of a recoil reduction did it get? Is it actually useful now?

[Aashish Sharma]

Yea, I'm curious as to how long 1 meter is in game terms also!

Cyonan wrote...

ChickenHawk07 wrote...

Ummm, an extra meter is a pretty sizable buff for the PM. If I'm reading it right, it means an extra 3 feet around impact can receive an extra 20% damage for 8 seconds. 

The thing about +1 meter radius is that in Bioware games 1 meter doesn't really equal 1 meter.

At 3 meters, it should have a range of nearly the height of 2 average humans(Maybe a little bit shorter than average humans), but I wouldn't say it has that.

[Atheosis]

BTCentral wrote...

squidney2k1 wrote...

Only thing left now is a Wraith buff.

Let's just leave it at that, no need to nerf everything.

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Nice changes. I may have to respec my SI to use Proximity Mine now that it's even more useful.

If they keep up the buff-only approach they are going to need to make a Platinum diificulty soon.  They are basically creating more and more builds that can own on Gold, and that's making Gold incrementally easier, especially with PuG's using random builds and weapons.

[MetalHeadDev]

Finally a motivation to play as a soldier!

[Feneckus]

marshalleck wrote...

Ridiculous because they added 1m radius to the explosion? Come on, stop overreacting. 

The Geth Infiltator was already ridiculous before the buff. I mean, I've outscored my entire team combined on multiple occasions on Gold with it. It's that good. 

Now they buffed one of the reasons the Geth Infiltrator is so awesome. I'm not overreacting when I say proxy mines is one of the best abilities in the game.

And they added 1m to the base impact radius. Which means that you get an even larger radius when you spec for it. 

[GodlessPaladin]

Lukeman1884 wrote...

Seems like the soldier buffs are continuing. Being able to spam Marksmen more is always nice. Has anyone tried the hurricane yet? How much of a recoil reduction did it get? Is it actually useful now?

I will test it, but I rather doubt it.  My problem with the Hurricane was never with the recoil... I could easily compensate for that (or just use a stability mod).  It was that even after using up that extra little bit of mental effort or consumable, I was still getting **** for damage compared to the alternatives.

Feneckus wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Ridiculous because they added 1m radius to the explosion? Come on, stop overreacting. 

The Geth Infiltator was already ridiculous before the buff. I mean, I've outscored my entire team combined on multiple occasions on Gold with it.  It's that good.

  Damn straight it's that good.  I've seen my Claymore/Melee/Proximity Mine GI get more than twice the score of the entire rest of the team combined repeatedly.  Sure they were terrible PuG players who had no business on Gold, but still, carrying such bad players for 20-odd minute runs (not on FBW/G) is not insignificant.  I've seen it solo in record time, too.  I almost feel guilty playing the damn thing, and that was before the first time they buffed it (by giving it Melee Amps).

And a keystone power for all that just got buffed more significantly than things which are outright horrible.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 24 avril 2012 - 11:37 .

[Axialbloom]

SIngularity is still useless. Rank 6 Detonation buffs AND a duration increase? Haha...you expect people to leave their Singularity there for 25 seconds just to get it to detonate?

[Grimy Bunyip]

yay PM buff.
I don't think it needed one at all but I'll take it.

can someone pull the new recoil number from coalesced?

Modifié par Grimy Bunyip, 24 avril 2012 - 11:28 .