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[Makrys]

Baa Baa wrote...

If IT isn't true it's a ridiculous coincidence that they would accidentally place all the foreshadowing in there

Yes. There are plenty of coincidences. No, there is no PROOF. But plenty of things that make sense with the IT. I just made a list of some! If for some reason those were all for naught, or were explained as simply 'coincidences' I would have lost a lot of faith in Bioware's writing team. Even more than I have now, without the IT implemented. The IT seems to be the best way to explain the things that have happened over the course of ME3 that didn't make sense.

You can hate the IT all you want (speaking in general), but without it you're still left with so many plotholes you can't walk straight without staring at your feet. So you'll have to figure out another way to explain the endings. The IT is just the one explanation that seems to make the most sense inside the lore of the trilogy. Hence why there are so many discussions about it. It is the most popular explanation and for good reason too. The IT simply attempts to explain some of these plotholes, and with some very convincing arguments. And if people have a problem with the notion of providing explanations for non sensicle happenings, then they can sit back and enjoy being confused. But most people want to look for the sense in things, look for something that connects the dots, that makes a story relevant to its ending. That's all the IT is about. You can disagree with it, but I see no reason to bash the people who agree with it just because it is not the same view you share. You know what thats called? Immaturity.

Modifié par Makrys, 03 mai 2012 - 02:47 .

[Edorian27]

A question came up yesterday, I wonder if there are theories about it: In IT it is stated the eye-pattern of TIM and Saren (and Shep in the Control/Synth Endings) are a hint for Indoctrination.

But doesn't the pattern allready show at TIM at the beginning of ME2? Afaik he wasn't indoctrinated back then...?

Does this make sense to any of u?

[Makrys]

Edorian27 wrote...

A question came up yesterday, I wonder if there are theories about it: In IT it is stated the eye-pattern of TIM and Saren (and Shep in the Control/Synth Endings) are a hint for Indoctrination.

But doesn't the pattern allready show at TIM at the beginning of ME2? Afaik he wasn't indoctrinated back then...?

Does this make sense to any of u?

No, that's a good question. TIM was exposed to Reaper tech before the events of ME. It is assumed that his indoctrination was very slow and subtle, and that his eyes were just possibly a result of this slow but sure indoctrination. That's only one view though, there are many that try to explain that subject. And I will admit, its one thing I'm not sure of.

[DiebytheSword]

Makrys wrote...

Edorian27 wrote...

A question came up yesterday, I wonder if there are theories about it: In IT it is stated the eye-pattern of TIM and Saren (and Shep in the Control/Synth Endings) are a hint for Indoctrination.

But doesn't the pattern allready show at TIM at the beginning of ME2? Afaik he wasn't indoctrinated back then...?

Does this make sense to any of u?

No, that's a good question. TIM was exposed to Reaper tech before the events of ME. It is assumed that his indoctrination was very slow and subtle, and that his eyes were just possibly a result of this slow but sure indoctrination. That's only one view though, there are many that try to explain that subject. And I will admit, its one thing I'm not sure of.

I'm of the opinion that his eyes were modified on contact with the Temple Palaven object.  Because they now contained Reaper tech, TIM was always on a slow boat to slavery to the Reapers.

[Makrys]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Edorian27 wrote...

A question came up yesterday, I wonder if there are theories about it: In IT it is stated the eye-pattern of TIM and Saren (and Shep in the Control/Synth Endings) are a hint for Indoctrination.

But doesn't the pattern allready show at TIM at the beginning of ME2? Afaik he wasn't indoctrinated back then...?

Does this make sense to any of u?

No, that's a good question. TIM was exposed to Reaper tech before the events of ME. It is assumed that his indoctrination was very slow and subtle, and that his eyes were just possibly a result of this slow but sure indoctrination. That's only one view though, there are many that try to explain that subject. And I will admit, its one thing I'm not sure of.

I'm of the opinion that his eyes were modified on contact with the Temple Palaven object.  Because they now contained Reaper tech, TIM was always on a slow boat to slavery to the Reapers.

That may be what I'm thinking of but couldn't remember exactly all the details and/or the name of the indoctrination device. And yeah, I think his indoc has been very slow but sure.

[Makrys]

D.Sharrah wrote...

OP...excellent read, very well done indeed.

I have mentioned it a couple of times on other IT discussion threads (but it seems to get lost in the wash), another point to consider is the comparisons that can be made between Shepard and Saren. In the first game you spend your entire time fighting every single little thing that Saren is trying to do...but by the second game (depending on your choices) you start to travel the same path (recruiting the Krogans/Geth)...and in the third it would be a fitting end to this mirror to face the same evil that ultimately was Saren's down fall, indoctrination.

Thanks!

And yeah, but Shepard still keeps his resolve and determination to destroy the Reapers. Which is a big reason why the end made no sense. Shepard doesn't challenge the StarBrat at all. That is not like Shepard. And it implies that he is not himself, and possibly being influenced in the dream.