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[Yajuu Omoi]

Lycidas wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Elyrun wrote...

As you seem to be the only person experiencing this, I think you're the one who has to try and prove something.

No way to prove something to someone who refuses to look at the stats.

Dude honestly you're wrong here. TC's cooldown is based on how long you stay cloaked. If you cancel cloak right away it's 3 sec.

I know i'm wrong. read before you bost a-hole.
the disscussion is over. ReflectedRed already ended it.

[Sacrificial Bias]

Atheosis wrote...

Just went and tested the Incisor on a Turian and it's marginally usable now, on that one race. Wish they would realize the problem with that gun is as much recoil as it is damage.

The damage is actually fine on an Infiltrator.  It's pathetic on a Turian Soldier, but then again, most weapons are.  One headshot burst will take out a trash trooper on Bronze.  2 headshot bursts on a Geth Pyro seems to damn near kill it.  Took down a Geth Prime from full armor to zero with the full clip into its head.

Would've liked less recoil over more damage with that one.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Elyrun wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

But THAT is NOT evidence, that is a sped up vid. 
Nice try.

So?

Even if it's sped up in a couple spots for a few second at a time, every cloak -> shoot without a reload interrupt has the reload and cooldown done at the same time, or very very close, while the longer cloak times have longer recharge than reload times.

And so does every time the cloak ends on its own. so that vid supports what i was saying earlier, i'm no longer saying i'm right.
Simply saying your "proof" doesn't help you...at all...actually helped the other side.

[GroverA125]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Thats what i mean...the Widow should have a larger advantage when it comes to armor and piercing when vs the mantis, the mantis can cut down infantry, but still dole out aganst a brute the same as the widow...thats the unbalanced bit i'm refering to.

I'd say that it's pretty balanced actually, the widow has 25% more damage at the price of 2 spare ammo, it's built for the bigger difficulties where armored enemies are plentiful, while the mantis is better for picking off the smaller rabble.

[Atheosis]

Sacrificial Bias wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Just went and tested the Incisor on a Turian and it's marginally usable now, on that one race. Wish they would realize the problem with that gun is as much recoil as it is damage.

The damage is actually fine on an Infiltrator.  It's pathetic on a Turian Soldier, but then again, most weapons are.  One headshot burst will take out a trash trooper on Bronze.  2 headshot bursts on a Geth Pyro seems to damn near kill it.  Took down a Geth Prime from full armor to zero with the full clip into its head.

Would've liked less recoil over more damage with that one.

If you use it on a non-Turian the recoil flat out ruins it.  I would never use it on an Infiltrator with all the other SR options available.  That's just crazy to me.  

[ReflectedRed]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Elyrun wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

I do it constantly in-game.
Look at the stats, a game mechanic won't behave different;y just because you say it will. a cooldown is set by your growth in the power and the overall weight of your weapons.

www.youtube.com/watch

Here you go. Now, goodbye.

But THAT is NOT evidence, that is a sped up vid. 
Nice try.

 
What else do you need, how suspicious can you be?

[Elyrun]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

And so does every time the cloak ends on its own. so that vid supports what i was saying earlier, i'm no longer saying i'm right.
Simply saying your "proof" doesn't help you...at all...actually helped the other side.

Well, personally, I'm seeing much longer recharge times when comparing cloak running out vs breaking cloak.

Buuut, we both seem too stubborn to give up here, so I'm not going to bother continuing.

Modifié par Elyrun, 25 avril 2012 - 07:30 .

[Cyonan]

GroverA125 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Thats what i mean...the Widow should have a larger advantage when it comes to armor and piercing when vs the mantis, the mantis can cut down infantry, but still dole out aganst a brute the same as the widow...thats the unbalanced bit i'm refering to.

I'd say that it's pretty balanced actually, the widow has 25% more damage at the price of 2 spare ammo, it's built for the bigger difficulties where armored enemies are plentiful, while the mantis is better for picking off the smaller rabble.

Well both the Mantis and the Widow fire at the same rate, since they both have 1 bullet clips and 2.97 reload speeds before reload cancelling. The fact that the Widow also has base penetration means it can hit multiple enemies without needing a piercing mod, which mean you're free to use a spare ammo mod making the Widow carry more. I would say that the Widow is superior to the Mantis in every way except weight, which Infiltrators don't care a lot about.

[Lycidas]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Lycidas wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Elyrun wrote...

As you seem to be the only person experiencing this, I think you're the one who has to try and prove something.

No way to prove something to someone who refuses to look at the stats.

Dude honestly you're wrong here. TC's cooldown is based on how long you stay cloaked. If you cancel cloak right away it's 3 sec.

I know i'm wrong. read before you bost a-hole.
the disscussion is over. ReflectedRed already ended it.

Wow that's what I call a mature response.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Cyonan wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Thats what i mean...the Widow should have a larger advantage when it comes to armor and piercing when vs the mantis, the mantis can cut down infantry, but still dole out aganst a brute the same as the widow...thats the unbalanced bit i'm refering to.

I'd say that it's pretty balanced actually, the widow has 25% more damage at the price of 2 spare ammo, it's built for the bigger difficulties where armored enemies are plentiful, while the mantis is better for picking off the smaller rabble.

Well both the Mantis and the Widow fire at the same rate, since they both have 1 bullet clips and 2.97 reload speeds before reload cancelling. The fact that the Widow also has base penetration means it can hit multiple enemies without needing a piercing mod, which mean you're free to use a spare ammo mod making the Widow carry more. I would say that the Widow is superior to the Mantis in every way except weight, which Infiltrators don't care a lot about.

but the extra ammo...only gives you ONE more shot than the mantis... T.T
That and the mantis can be maxxed out in a few hours, but the widow is rare enough some give up on getting it maxxed, there should be some incentive to get it, like a higher percentage damage to armored targets or something...

[Asebstos]

Atheosis wrote...

Sacrificial Bias wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Just went and tested the Incisor on a Turian and it's marginally usable now, on that one race. Wish they would realize the problem with that gun is as much recoil as it is damage.

The damage is actually fine on an Infiltrator.  It's pathetic on a Turian Soldier, but then again, most weapons are.  One headshot burst will take out a trash trooper on Bronze.  2 headshot bursts on a Geth Pyro seems to damn near kill it.  Took down a Geth Prime from full armor to zero with the full clip into its head.

Would've liked less recoil over more damage with that one.

If you use it on a non-Turian the recoil flat out ruins it.  I would never use it on an Infiltrator with all the other SR options available.  That's just crazy to me.  

The answer is clear... we need a Turian Infiltrator.

[Cyonan]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

but the extra ammo...only gives you ONE more shot than the mantis... T.T
That and the mantis can be maxxed out in a few hours, but the widow is rare enough some give up on getting it maxxed, there should be some incentive to get it, like a higher percentage damage to armored targets or something...

Well the spare ammo mod is 90% more ammo, which means it ends up being 4-13 more shots since you have to use a Piercing Mod on your Mantis or else the Widow wins by default because it has built in penetration. The Widow also does not loose damage by piercing a solid object, while the Mantis will because the mod makes it, unless you're using AP ammo.

Other than that, the incentive is that a Widow X does around 41% more damage per shot than a Mantis X. On the light infantry you wont notice since they both overkill, but on a heavy you're going to notice the difference.

[D Wrecks]

The Hurricane still auto-aims at the sky.

[Poison_Berrie]

Cyonan wrote...

For most classes that are actually going to use a shotgun, they aren't going to care a ton about the weight except  for maybe the Vanguards. Any of the actual casters are just going to use their beloved Carnifex anyway. The weight is still something to be noted, but it's not something that suddenly makes the Eviscerator out classing the Wraith. I would say they're more comparable rather than either out classing one, which should not happen since one is an ultra-rare.

Though they're both still terrible shotguns.

The Eviscerator is somewhat better since it inherently ignores armor's DR, whereas the Wraith doesn't.

I don't think the Eviscerator is terrible. The accuracy of it means you can headshot enemies over distance pretty well.

[ReflectedRed]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

For most classes that are actually going to use a shotgun, they aren't going to care a ton about the weight except  for maybe the Vanguards. Any of the actual casters are just going to use their beloved Carnifex anyway. The weight is still something to be noted, but it's not something that suddenly makes the Eviscerator out classing the Wraith. I would say they're more comparable rather than either out classing one, which should not happen since one is an ultra-rare.

Though they're both still terrible shotguns.

The Eviscerator is somewhat better since it inherently ignores armor's DR, whereas the Wraith doesn't.

I don't think the Eviscerator is terrible. The accuracy of it means you can headshot enemies over distance pretty well.

But both guns are broken, RoF is too slow. So slow that is better to reload between every shot to do more damage (using the reload trick). I think that is pretty serious.

[Cyonan]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

The Eviscerator is somewhat better since it inherently ignores armor's DR, whereas the Wraith doesn't.

I don't think the Eviscerator is terrible. The accuracy of it means you can headshot enemies over distance pretty well.

If the Eviscerator is ignoring armour while the Wraith isn't, then yeah it out classes the Wraith, even at Wraith X it would be doing more damage per shot vs armoured targets.

Neither of the weapons are very good compared to any gold level shotguns though, which is more of an issue for the Wraith since it's an ultra-rare. The gold shotguns are also pretty much just as good as the Eviscerator at scoring headshots from range, too. I personally find that the Claymore even has less pellet spread, but the Eviscerator is supposed to have higher accuracy.

[Atheosis]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

For most classes that are actually going to use a shotgun, they aren't going to care a ton about the weight except  for maybe the Vanguards. Any of the actual casters are just going to use their beloved Carnifex anyway. The weight is still something to be noted, but it's not something that suddenly makes the Eviscerator out classing the Wraith. I would say they're more comparable rather than either out classing one, which should not happen since one is an ultra-rare.

Though they're both still terrible shotguns.

The Eviscerator is somewhat better since it inherently ignores armor's DR, whereas the Wraith doesn't.

I don't think the Eviscerator is terrible. The accuracy of it means you can headshot enemies over distance pretty well.

Is that true?  Why would the Eviscerator ignore DR while the Wraith doesn't?  That just doesn't compute...

[peddroelm]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

The Eviscerator is somewhat better since it inherently ignores armor's DR, whereas the Wraith doesn't.

I don't think the Eviscerator is terrible. The accuracy of it means you can headshot enemies over distance pretty well.

NO

Modifié par peddroelmz, 25 avril 2012 - 08:32 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

Cyonan wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

but the extra ammo...only gives you ONE more shot than the mantis... T.T
That and the mantis can be maxxed out in a few hours, but the widow is rare enough some give up on getting it maxxed, there should be some incentive to get it, like a higher percentage damage to armored targets or something...

Well the spare ammo mod is 90% more ammo, which means it ends up being 4-13 more shots since you have to use a Piercing Mod on your Mantis or else the Widow wins by default because it has built in penetration. The Widow also does not loose damage by piercing a solid object, while the Mantis will because the mod makes it, unless you're using AP ammo.

Other than that, the incentive is that a Widow X does around 41% more damage per shot than a Mantis X. On the light infantry you wont notice since they both overkill, but on a heavy you're going to notice the difference.

Actually the widow DOES take a damage nerf through cover...just like the javelin or black widow, or any other weapon with the AP mod, those first three just have an AP mod built into them...
and i have both the mantix X and widow X, i use Mantis X with the barrel and AP mod, and the Widow X with the expanded clip and barrel...the widow only has one shot more TOTAL than the mantis when like that...and the mantis can deal the same amount of damage to a brute (pure armor, thats why i use it as an example) as the widow...MAYBE a half bar less...but its barely noticeable on gold...
I don't know if you're just looking at numbers or what...but if you compare them in-game...the only major difference, is the weight...

EDIT: But persoanlly i prefer the Black Widow over all of 'em...tho i only have the lvl I... 

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 25 avril 2012 - 08:50 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

peddroelmz wrote...

Poison_Berrie wrote...

The Eviscerator is somewhat better since it inherently ignores armor's DR, whereas the Wraith doesn't.

I don't think the Eviscerator is terrible. The accuracy of it means you can headshot enemies over distance pretty well.

NO

I'm wondering...no to what??

[Cyonan]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Actually the widow DOES take a damage nerf through cover...just like the javelin or black widow, or any other weapon with the AP mod, those first three just have an AP mod built into them...
and i have both the mantix X and widow X, i use Mantis X with the barrel and AP mod, and the widow with the expanded clip and barrel...the widow only has one shot more TOTAL than the mantis when like that...and the mantis can deal the same amount of damage to a brute (pure armor, thats why i use it as an example) as the widow...MAYBE a half bar less...but its barely noticeable on gold...
I don't know if you're just looking at numbers or what...but if you compare them in-game...the only major difference, is the weight...

Just did some testing on Cerberus gold.

A Widow X with Spare Ammo + Barrel left an Assault Trooper with 2 bars of health when piercing cover. With Piercing Mod + Barrel it left the Assault Trooper with 5 bars of health. The Widow also doesn't ignore armour, so it doesn't have an AP mod built into it. It just has 0.5 meters of penetration.

It should be noted that was without Tactical Cloak, as with it the damage boost was so much that it would just kill the target no matter what. The Mantis however, even with TC requires a headshot when piercing cover or it leaves the target with 1 bar left.

A Widow with ammo mod also has 32 spare shots, while a Mantis has 19 without the mod.

It's fine that people like the Mantis, but the Widow is superior in every way except weight =P

[Yajuu Omoi]

Cyonan wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Actually the widow DOES take a damage nerf through cover...just like the javelin or black widow, or any other weapon with the AP mod, those first three just have an AP mod built into them...
and i have both the mantix X and widow X, i use Mantis X with the barrel and AP mod, and the widow with the expanded clip and barrel...the widow only has one shot more TOTAL than the mantis when like that...and the mantis can deal the same amount of damage to a brute (pure armor, thats why i use it as an example) as the widow...MAYBE a half bar less...but its barely noticeable on gold...
I don't know if you're just looking at numbers or what...but if you compare them in-game...the only major difference, is the weight...

Just did some testing on Cerberus gold.

A Widow X with Spare Ammo + Barrel left an Assault Trooper with 2 bars of health when piercing cover. With Piercing Mod + Barrel it left the Assault Trooper with 5 bars of health. The Widow also doesn't ignore armour, so it doesn't have an AP mod built into it. It just has 0.5 meters of penetration.

It should be noted that was without Tactical Cloak, as with it the damage boost was so much that it would just kill the target no matter what. The Mantis however, even with TC requires a headshot when piercing cover or it leaves the target with 1 bar left.

A Widow with ammo mod also has 32 spare shots, while a Mantis has 19 without the mod.

It's fine that people like the Mantis, but the Widow is superior in every way except weight =P

um...the AP mod doesn't ignore armor...just 55% of the resistance, and all three of the piercing snipers act as if they have a AP mod 1 built in...thats the point.
ANd i'm not sure why you're getting different results than me...it seems to be happening a lot...i might wanna get my profile on XBL checked... T.T

[peddroelm]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

... and all three of the piercing snipers act as if they have a AP mod 1 built in...thats the point.
ANd i'm not sure why you're getting different results than me...it seems to be happening a lot...i might wanna get my profile on XBL checked... T.T

NO

[.458]

Just curious what people think about pistol weights? Many weigh as much as an assault rifle. I'm kind of thinking that every armed force everywhere has always had some standard sidearm, and that the lightest sidearm should be "free" so far as weight goes...other sidearms should be weight-additive based not on their current weight, but on weight above and beyond the lightest sidearm. It would give people a way to use things like the sniper rifles exclusively, except for some close fighting, without the penalty of what seems like carrying large and heavy weapons...even a heavy pistol can't possibly weigh more than a full sized assault rifle. But...I realize this would be a pretty big change, especially considering all the other changes that need to go through which are more important. But I am interested in what people think of that idea.

[ElementL09]

Anyone try the Hurricane on a turian sentinel, did that make using it overall, better then what it was?

I got it, but I never used.