Irishfafnir wrote...
I think you are largely arguging against what you percieve as sterotypes rather then anything anyone is saying in particular.
tractrpl wrote...
Irishfafnir wrote...
I think you are largely arguging against what you percieve as sterotypes rather then anything anyone is saying in particular.
That is correct. I perceive that many Americans view China as being poor and backwards. Well, it's changing fast. Some parts of China are downright luxurious. Some parts of America are an outright pisshole. This is my point, essentially.
Irishfafnir wrote...
tractrpl wrote...
Irishfafnir wrote...
Noone is saying china will always be the same it is now.
But you are saying America will be where it is now, right? Look, even if America doesn't backslide, China could overtake the size of our economy in absolute terms easily. They may not be per capit the richest, but we aren't either, yet we still dominate. If they do become economically dominant, then they could eventually become technologically and culturally dominant if they keep that position long enough.
I am saying America will continue to remain an economic and military major power for the forseeable future.
No one is saying China won't overtake the US economy. There are 4-5 times as many of them as us, it would be virtually impossible to outperform them forever.
The Western World dominates because its forms of government and economic systems have been proven to be superior to those of the rest of the world.
Is it possible that economic domination by china eventually leads to them having a technoligcal and cultural dominant position in the world? Sure, although the evidence right now favors Western domination in technology along with Japan ( who is arguably a western country).
Cultural domination is harder to argue. Because the size of ones economy or country does not have to reflect its culture impact on the world. Greece would probably be the best example. Or the Soviet Union largest country in the world second largest economy but its culture was not attractive to the rest of the world.
Irishfafnir wrote...
I am saying America will continue to remain an economic and military major power for the forseeable future.
No one is saying China won't overtake the US economy. There are 4-5 times as many of them as us, it would be virtually impossible to outperform them forever.
The Western World dominates because its forms of government and economic systems have been proven to be superior to those of the rest of the world.
Is it possible that economic domination by china eventually leads to them having a technoligcal and cultural dominant position in the world? Sure, although the evidence right now favors Western domination in technology along with Japan ( who is arguably a western country).
Cultural domination is harder to argue. Because the size of ones economy or country does not have to reflect its culture impact on the world. Greece would probably be the best example. Or the Soviet Union largest country in the world second largest economy but its culture was not attractive to the rest of the world.
Modifié par tractrpl, 27 avril 2012 - 04:12 .
tractrpl wrote...
Irishfafnir wrote...
I am saying America will continue to remain an economic and military major power for the forseeable future.
No one is saying China won't overtake the US economy. There are 4-5 times as many of them as us, it would be virtually impossible to outperform them forever.
The Western World dominates because its forms of government and economic systems have been proven to be superior to those of the rest of the world.
Is it possible that economic domination by china eventually leads to them having a technoligcal and cultural dominant position in the world? Sure, although the evidence right now favors Western domination in technology along with Japan ( who is arguably a western country).
Cultural domination is harder to argue. Because the size of ones economy or country does not have to reflect its culture impact on the world. Greece would probably be the best example. Or the Soviet Union largest country in the world second largest economy but its culture was not attractive to the rest of the world.
Well, let's pivot back towards the topic and the premise of the ME world. I presume that if we had a worldwide government that's actually and truthfully cooperative, either we would all live under the rule of a brutal dictatorship, which is against canon, or the world is under some sort of global democratic system. This would imply that Asians would contribute to this system. I would surmise that, in the future, China would join the rest of its Asian neighbors as technological leaders. Their culture would assert a heavy influence on the global stage. Their culture's influence can be felt even now. Therefore, I think it's logical to assume that in such a theoretical setting, that Asian cultures would be much more represented than they were in this game.
Lamepro wrote...
As bad as hearing China's bootleging Xbox 360 calling it ISec they very much have talent to clone Ipad or SR-2 Normandy out thin air.
medcsu wrote...
Technically Shepard can be Asian if that is your desire with canon. In the end though I always slap myself later for involving myself in topics that make absolutely no difference. If every character in the ME series was Asian, I wouldn't care. Representation in games of different races so at the bottom of my list of "what I care about" and the discussion usually causes more dissention than anything. Did you know Dora the Explora was originally a white girl until some groups complained that Hispanics aren't represented enough in children cartoons? I mean....who gives a ****...I am actually seriously asking this question by the way. Why does it matter?
tractrpl wrote...
Irishfafnir wrote...
I am saying America will continue to remain an economic and military major power for the forseeable future.
No one is saying China won't overtake the US economy. There are 4-5 times as many of them as us, it would be virtually impossible to outperform them forever.
The Western World dominates because its forms of government and economic systems have been proven to be superior to those of the rest of the world.
Is it possible that economic domination by china eventually leads to them having a technoligcal and cultural dominant position in the world? Sure, although the evidence right now favors Western domination in technology along with Japan ( who is arguably a western country).
Cultural domination is harder to argue. Because the size of ones economy or country does not have to reflect its culture impact on the world. Greece would probably be the best example. Or the Soviet Union largest country in the world second largest economy but its culture was not attractive to the rest of the world.
Well, let's pivot back towards the topic and the premise of the ME world. I presume that if we had a worldwide government that's actually and truthfully cooperative, either we would all live under the rule of a brutal dictatorship, which is against canon, or the world is under some sort of global democratic system. This would imply that Asians would contribute to this system. I would surmise that, in the future, China would join the rest of its Asian neighbors as technological leaders. Their culture would assert a heavy influence on the global stage. Their culture's influence can be felt even now. Therefore, I think it's logical to assume that in such a theoretical setting, that Asian cultures would be much more represented than they were in this game.
Modifié par Irishfafnir, 27 avril 2012 - 04:30 .
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Irishfafnir wrote...
There are still nation states in the ME universe. The three mentioned are the EU, China and the United North American states. These nations still maintain their own national armies. From my understanding the alliance functions more like the EU.
As already stated a nation's econonmic status or power does not necessarily reflect its cultural influence.
I agree that in the ME universe there should probably be more black/asian/latino/arabic peoples. I don't really think its a game breaking issue though, and one that is common throughout games.
and like other people have stated you can make Shepard as any ethnicity that you want.
Modifié par tractrpl, 27 avril 2012 - 04:41 .
Modifié par Imperial Sentinel Arian, 27 avril 2012 - 04:52 .
They're all military or high diplomats, scientists etc.Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
In ME3 all are westerners. In general there is hardly Eastern, African or Latin Heroes in Western games.
WARMACHINE9 wrote...
av196vad wrote...
This is a WESTERN game therefore the main characters will be western.
I play Japanese games and I don't complain about the main characters being Japanese.
Took the words right out of my mouth Thaough it would be nice to see more ethnic diversity in video games. Also Kaiden is Canadian but isn't his ethnicity Thai?
tractrpl wrote...
Irishfafnir wrote...
There are still nation states in the ME universe. The three mentioned are the EU, China and the United North American states. These nations still maintain their own national armies. From my understanding the alliance functions more like the EU.
As already stated a nation's econonmic status or power does not necessarily reflect its cultural influence.
I agree that in the ME universe there should probably be more black/asian/latino/arabic peoples. I don't really think its a game breaking issue though, and one that is common throughout games.
and like other people have stated you can make Shepard as any ethnicity that you want.
I think it's supposed to function more like NATO.
I agree, it's not a game breaking issue. It's just an issue that breaks from what I think would be representative of the reality that the game is based on. So, in regards to the OP's post, yes. I think that the makeup of the game as it stands could have been improved in that regard, but what can you do? Bioware was focused on making more aliens.
Also, making Shepard however you want is besides the point. We're talking about the main characters of the game always seeming to come from America. I think in a united earth government's military this would be unusual. There's no indication that the units of the military were segregated in any way. At least, I didn't see any, did you?
Daennikus wrote...
They're all military or high diplomats, scientists etc.Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
In ME3 all are westerners. In general there is hardly Eastern, African or Latin Heroes in Western games.
The working environment will easily brush away nationalities and cultural belonging if you don't put much accent on social down time.
At my work (airport security), we have people coming from everywhere, but we all speak the same jargon and mimick the attitudes of Westerners because it's our way to identify eachother and gives us a sense of belonging. We get more respect that way, too. Your job shapes you a certain way. It's even more true when you're required to wear a uniform and deal with the public.
So yeah, I wasn't surprised that the different cultures in ME were sort of watered down.
I don't live in America so it's a private company in Europe.Irishfafnir wrote...
Daennikus wrote...
They're all military or high diplomats, scientists etc.Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
In ME3 all are westerners. In general there is hardly Eastern, African or Latin Heroes in Western games.
The working environment will easily brush away nationalities and cultural belonging if you don't put much accent on social down time.
At my work (airport security), we have people coming from everywhere, but we all speak the same jargon and mimick the attitudes of Westerners because it's our way to identify eachother and gives us a sense of belonging. We get more respect that way, too. Your job shapes you a certain way. It's even more true when you're required to wear a uniform and deal with the public.
So yeah, I wasn't surprised that the different cultures in ME were sort of watered down.
Props to you for telling people you work for the TSA
Irishfafnir wrote...
tractrpl wrote...
Irishfafnir wrote...
There are still nation states in the ME universe. The three mentioned are the EU, China and the United North American states. These nations still maintain their own national armies. From my understanding the alliance functions more like the EU.
As already stated a nation's econonmic status or power does not necessarily reflect its cultural influence.
I agree that in the ME universe there should probably be more black/asian/latino/arabic peoples. I don't really think its a game breaking issue though, and one that is common throughout games.
and like other people have stated you can make Shepard as any ethnicity that you want.
I think it's supposed to function more like NATO.
I agree, it's not a game breaking issue. It's just an issue that breaks from what I think would be representative of the reality that the game is based on. So, in regards to the OP's post, yes. I think that the makeup of the game as it stands could have been improved in that regard, but what can you do? Bioware was focused on making more aliens.
Also, making Shepard however you want is besides the point. We're talking about the main characters of the game always seeming to come from America. I think in a united earth government's military this would be unusual. There's no indication that the units of the military were segregated in any way. At least, I didn't see any, did you?
The alliance navy is mulinational or allegedly multi-national. The Earth nation states retain their own armies. http://masseffect.wi...ystems_Alliance mentions that the System alliance was founded by 18 of the most powerful countries. Which would support the notion that there would still be a very large amount of westerners among the alliance. But no I don't see any indication of the alliance navy being divided by nationality, although who knows maybe the alliance assigns people based on similiar cultural background in order to faciliate easier cooperation on ships.
Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
Jacob: As Cliche he want to die in the vents in Suicide Missions
Vega's character is done poorly. Btw he looks like me if I do body-building and work on a farm!
In ME3 all are westerners (Vega is a simple soldier). In general there is hardly Eastern, African or Latin Heroes in Western games.
Actually I found most Japanese game characters are all too western, they look more european than asian.av196vad wrote...
WARMACHINE9 wrote...
av196vad wrote...
This is a WESTERN game therefore the main characters will be western.
I play Japanese games and I don't complain about the main characters being Japanese.
Took the words right out of my mouth Thaough it would be nice to see more ethnic diversity in video games. Also Kaiden is Canadian but isn't his ethnicity Thai?
I agree, more diversity would be a welcome change.
tractrpl wrote...
Irishfafnir wrote...
There are still nation states in the ME universe. The three mentioned are the EU, China and the United North American states. These nations still maintain their own national armies. From my understanding the alliance functions more like the EU.
As already stated a nation's econonmic status or power does not necessarily reflect its cultural influence.
I agree that in the ME universe there should probably be more black/asian/latino/arabic peoples. I don't really think its a game breaking issue though, and one that is common throughout games.
and like other people have stated you can make Shepard as any ethnicity that you want.
I think it's supposed to function more like NATO.
I agree, it's not a game breaking issue. It's just an issue that breaks from what I think would be representative of the reality that the game is based on. So, in regards to the OP's post, yes. I think that the makeup of the game as it stands could have been improved in that regard, but what can you do? Bioware was focused on making more aliens.
Also, making Shepard however you want is besides the point. We're talking about the main characters of the game always seeming to come from America. I think in a united earth government's military this would be unusual. There's no indication that the units of the military were segregated in any way. At least, I didn't see any, did you?
JerradH wrote...
Western games will generally always have a large western flavor to them. It's not any big surprise. The same can be said for games made in Japan.
As Western games go, it's actually got a lot more diversity in it than other games do, especially compared to the glut of "Americans vs generic Russian/Arab terrorists" games out there.
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