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[GodlessPaladin]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

@G.P. - This is a pretty well
rounded build (I respec'd) and probably more useful than a straight up
brawler if you lack those skills. Though I was doing just as well with
the melee spec. Guess it boils down to this character being a wrecking
machine that can fill many different roles. It's just how you like to
play it that matters.

...I'm a bit confused by your post here (or rather, I suspect that you're confused).  My build has 100% of the Geth Infiltrator's melee potential... none of it is sacrificed or traded off.  There is nothing extra you can add to it, no way you can shift points around, to get more melee damage than this build.  The point is that there's enough room on a GI's sheet to get full melee potential and still do other things extraordinarily well too.

cruc1al wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

You can do this WITHOUT the bonus power evolution because of the length of the uncloak window.  Bonus Power is redundant.

Well, no. Cloak damage bonus lasts only 2.25 seconds. With bonus power, you don't uncloak and draw fire to yourself the moment you fire a proximity mine. Thus you can leave a mine and chill out waiting for the enemy, pick a target, sprint to the enemy or away from the enemy, rez a team mate, or whatever. Or you can cloak + prox, wait for cooldown, and fire another prox and then attack with your 2.25 second cloak damage bonus window. That way, you get two cloaked prox mines on the enemy without being detected, useful if you're in a tricky spot and can't afford to uncloak.

  I do not often feel I need to take the time to "chill out waiting for the enemy."   And it takes a while for the bonus power to recharge, so you're not getting two proximity mines in rapid cloak cycles. 

It can offer a little extra safety, but I don't feel I need that any more than I feel I need extra shields.

And if you're a CQC infiltrator, what the hell do you need sniper damage for? Might as well pick bonus power, it'll save your ass more than once.

I don't take sniper damage.  I put the 6 points into 3 ranks in a passive.  It would be really great if people would read my posts before making silly assumptions.

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

eldrjth wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

, I've always thought it was good but I nevver realized how much better it is on host. 

every
weapon performs better when you host. when I host using my valiant its
hilarious how much headshots I can get out. but when I dont it doesnt
flow anywhere near as smooth. also when I used the BW I get the
occasional 'bounce' shot that seemingly hits but for no damage. dont
think too highly of your score imo if you host from some remote location
(like me I suppose) cause you got to understand how bad lag can get.

I
play on american hosts all the time and do just fine with normal guns
like the claymore, paladin, widow etc, guns that fire bullets. Lag is
only a problem with guns like the falcon, gps and graal for me really,
and I'm from Europe.

When I use guns that fire bullets lag is
never a problem unless the host is from japan or something. With the gps
and falcon it makes a huge difference though.

This is why I favor the Claymore even more when off-host.  Really though, it's depressing that in the modern day there are still some games that have sufficiently bad netcode that they can't even handle a projectile properly. Argh...

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 26 avril 2012 - 01:12 .

[JGDD]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

@G.P. - This is a pretty well
rounded build (I respec'd) and probably more useful than a straight up
brawler if you lack those skills. Though I was doing just as well with
the melee spec. Guess it boils down to this character being a wrecking
machine that can fill many different roles. It's just how you like to
play it that matters.

...I'm a bit confused by your post here (or rather, I suspect that you're confused).  My build has 100% of the Geth Infiltrator's melee potential... none of it is sacrificed or traded off.  There is nothing extra you can add to it, no way you can shift points around, to get more melee damage than this build.  The point is that there's enough room on a GI's sheet to get full melee potential and still do other things extraordinarily well too.

Just noting that the heavy melee build can also perform well. Although yours tends to perform better with the Claymore. Actually much better. I was putting the hurt on brutes with one proxy and a blast. Done. Even the screaming banshees were pretty easy to mow down.  < Gold

[GodlessPaladin]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

@G.P. - This is a pretty well
rounded build (I respec'd) and probably more useful than a straight up
brawler if you lack those skills. Though I was doing just as well with
the melee spec. Guess it boils down to this character being a wrecking
machine that can fill many different roles. It's just how you like to
play it that matters.

...I'm a bit confused by your post here (or rather, I suspect that you're confused).  My build has 100% of the Geth Infiltrator's melee potential... none of it is sacrificed or traded off.  There is nothing extra you can add to it, no way you can shift points around, to get more melee damage than this build.  The point is that there's enough room on a GI's sheet to get full melee potential and still do other things extraordinarily well too.

Just noting that the heavy melee build can also perform well.

  My build has the most effective heavy melee possible for the geth infiltrator.  You seem to be confused about this point by suggesting that there is some other unreferenced build which "focuses on melee more." 

Although yours tends to perform better with the Claymore. Actually much better.

  Yep.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 26 avril 2012 - 01:48 .

[RamsenC]

The downside to the melee build is you lose Claymore damage, health (not a big deal), and one weapon mod. You didn't need the accuracy mod on that small map so it worked out and melee shines brightest on glacier, but on larger maps the accuracy mod is too useful which puts you at an even bigger damage (or pierce) disadvantage.

My Claymore specialist build is:

Cloak 4 (damage)
Prox 6 (radius - debuff - damage)
Hunter 6 (accuracy - power damage - damage)
AI 6 (all damage)
Fitness 4 (health)

I wouldn't say it's better than the melee build though, since Geth melee is so obviously broken.

[cruc1al]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

You can do this WITHOUT the bonus power evolution because of the length of the uncloak window.  Bonus Power is redundant.

Well, no. Cloak damage bonus lasts only 2.25 seconds. With bonus power, you don't uncloak and draw fire to yourself the moment you fire a proximity mine. Thus you can leave a mine and chill out waiting for the enemy, pick a target, sprint to the enemy or away from the enemy, rez a team mate, or whatever. Or you can cloak + prox, wait for cooldown, and fire another prox and then attack with your 2.25 second cloak damage bonus window. That way, you get two cloaked prox mines on the enemy without being detected, useful if you're in a tricky spot and can't afford to uncloak.

  I do not often feel I need to take the time to "chill out waiting for the enemy."   And it takes a while for the bonus power to recharge, so you're not getting two proximity mines in rapid cloak cycles. 

It can offer a little extra safety, but I don't feel I need that any more than I feel I need extra shields.

And if you're a CQC infiltrator, what the hell do you need sniper damage for? Might as well pick bonus power, it'll save your ass more than once.

I don't take sniper damage.  I put the 6 points into 3 ranks in a passive.  It would be really great if people would read my posts before making silly assumptions.

It's not all about YOU, man.

[Lucien Midnight]

 @GodlessPaladin Mind if I post this build on my site me3multiplayer.com? I'd like to link to potentially link to your videos as well.

[Drummernate]

I actually find that a Carnifex with Stunner works just as good as the Claymore.

Maybe actually better in some cases for long range headshots.

If the melee does not kill them just pop one shot off under cloak bonus and they die.

[Yriss]

I only watched the first video, but I think I got the jist of it. Thanks!

The biggest surprise for me in the video was spamming heavy melee instead of doing one long sustained one. I didn't spec my Geth Infiltrator for melee, but I'll try it out with my current build anyway.

In future videos, if you can, could you list the songs you used? Some of them were pretty interesting.

[GodlessPaladin]

Okay, I got a Dazzle, and so far I'm pretty disappointed.  I looked at a few tutorials and they're all saying that I need to buy like a dozen other things to get it to work at all, and I have to forego playing in good quality HD using my HDMI cable.  The poster who recommended it to me said it was "easy as can be" to set it up... what's the deal here?  On top of all that, an initial test (with the picture not showing up on my screen but being captured) makes the movie look laggy... despite having a very good gaming rig PC.   Am I missing something?

RamsenC wrote...

The downside to the melee build is you lose Claymore damage

  You don't lose much, though.  I mean, I still kill Atlasses in a few shots and one-shot everything else  What I care about are benchmarks.  What is that 17.5% extra really DOING for me?  I can do a lot more with +30% power damage (don't forget that Fitness gives that too) and +75%/30%/30% melee damage.  The range of my tactical options really changes.  What can I really do with a 17.5% extra claymore damage?  I'm already one-shotting phantoms with the thing and levelling heavies.

and one weapon mod. You didn't need the accuracy mod on that small map so it worked out and melee shines brightest on glacier, but on larger maps the accuracy mod is too useful which puts you at an even bigger damage (or pierce) disadvantage.

  You don't actually need to use the bayonet mod.  As I mentioned, I forego it on larger maps and melee is still deadly.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 26 avril 2012 - 02:59 .

[RamsenC]

  You don't actually need to use the bayonet mod.  As I mentioned, I forego it on larger maps and melee is still deadly.

That is good to hear because the claymore has way too much mod competition. I just promoted to turn all my infiltrators into claymore infiltrators so I will be able to try this out. Black Widow is boring in comparison. Hopefully I don't regret it because I have no respec cards

[GodlessPaladin]

Lucien Midnight wrote...

@GodlessPaladin Mind if I post this build on my site me3multiplayer.com? I'd like to link to potentially link to your videos as well.

I think your site would be a lot more useful if it actually had some practical means of vetting.  You might want to take a look at PvXWiki for an idea of what I'm talking about.

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/PW:VETTING

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 26 avril 2012 - 03:12 .

[A Wild Snorlax]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Okay, I got a Dazzle, and so far I'm pretty disappointed.  I looked at a few tutorials and they're all saying that I need to buy like a dozen other things to get it to work at all, and I have to forego playing in good quality HD using my HDMI cable.  The poster who recommended it to me said it was "easy as can be" to set it up... what's the deal here?  On top of all that, an initial test (with the picture not showing up on my screen but being captured) makes the movie look laggy... despite having a very good gaming rig PC.   Am I missing something?

You might need to render the video in an editing program.

Personally I have a hauppauge hd pvr, when recording from xbox I have to render and convert it to a different format in sony vegas for it to look good, otherwise it looks very laggy and framey.

IDK anything about dazzle though but it might be the same thing. I recon you should look for some tutorials on youtube.

[MizterBizkits]

Here's a guide for Geth Infiltrator, revive your team when you have an opening that won't get you killed, eliminate the targets when you have an opening that won't get you killed, disable the devices when you have an opening that won't get you killed, and kill all the enemies threatening your team so they go the whole game without knowing that Geth Rocket Trooper was looking at them.

[Drummernate]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Okay, I got a Dazzle, and so far I'm pretty disappointed.  I looked at a few tutorials and they're all saying that I need to buy like a dozen other things to get it to work at all, and I have to forego playing in good quality HD using my HDMI cable.  The poster who recommended it to me said it was "easy as can be" to set it up... what's the deal here?  On top of all that, an initial test (with the picture not showing up on my screen but being captured) makes the movie look laggy... despite having a very good gaming rig PC.   Am I missing something?

What did I tell you about the internet....

Sarcasm.

[Widowlover]

i only shoot if i have to, the gi or speed bump as me and my buddys called it is way to fun to just run in and melt everything. it was funny to watch the noobs with there GI widows hiding while i was out roaming around melting hunters and phantoms,who shoots things with the GI? new kids LOL.

[Yosuke]

Widowlover wrote...

i only shoot if i have to, the gi or speed bump as me and my buddys called it is way to fun to just run in and melt everything. it was funny to watch the noobs with there GI widows hiding while i was out roaming around melting hunters and phantoms,who shoots things with the GI? new kids LOL.

This is ironic coming from someone named widowlover, lol.

[II GoaLaSSo II]

Would the original build still be good with a much lower level shotgun? I am newer to multiplayer and don't have the claymore yet

I believe the best shotgun I could use for this build would be a level 2 gps. I'm gonna try it out regardless, but do you think that would still work?

[Sacrificial Bias]

Da fuq? I can never get those mines to explode unless the enemy walks RIGHT ON TOP OF THEM. Kind of wondering how I might be able to work Prox mines into a sniper build. I'm not crazy about walking around with 325 shields and a ****** poor shield recharge time.

[JGDD]

II GoaLaSSo II wrote...

Would the original build still be good with a much lower level shotgun? I am newer to multiplayer and don't have the claymore yet

I believe the best shotgun I could use for this build would be a level 2 gps. I'm gonna try it out regardless, but do you think that would still work?

Yep. Choose Accuracy instead of Power Recharge for the Hunter mode option though. It helps any of the weapons but shotguns respond well to it.

[JGDD]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

@G.P. - This is a pretty well
rounded build (I respec'd) and probably more useful than a straight up
brawler if you lack those skills. Though I was doing just as well with
the melee spec. Guess it boils down to this character being a wrecking
machine that can fill many different roles. It's just how you like to
play it that matters.

...I'm a bit confused by your post here (or rather, I suspect that you're confused).  My build has 100% of the Geth Infiltrator's melee potential... none of it is sacrificed or traded off.  There is nothing extra you can add to it, no way you can shift points around, to get more melee damage than this build.  The point is that there's enough room on a GI's sheet to get full melee potential and still do other things extraordinarily well too.

Just noting that the heavy melee build can also perform well.

  My build has the most effective heavy melee possible for the geth infiltrator.  You seem to be confused about this point by suggesting that there is some other unreferenced build which "focuses on melee more." 

Although yours tends to perform better with the Claymore. Actually much better.

  Yep.

Not at all. Just didn't word it very friendly I guess. The only difference(s) are the cloak (bonus) and Networked AI which had zero points in my original loadout. Honestly, I wish I had done this to begin with because it would have saved me a respec card. Heh.

I did try this with just a Phalanx for a few melee games and that hasn't changed one iota. It hits like a freight train as it always has. Your specs make for a better all around GI and that's always a good thing.

[Scalabrine]

question...would you consider taking enhanced vision over damage on hunter mode??? Im doing this build and i just can't bring myself to choosing damge over vision.

[Rodia Driftwood]

I don't care for the quality.

But, no matter what scars you bear.
Whatever uniform you wear.

YOU CAN FIGHT LIKE A KROGAN, RUN LIKE A LEOPARD, BUT YOU'LL NEVER BE BETTER THAN COMMANDER SHEPARD.

[Curzyfish]

Yriss wrote...

I only watched the first video, but I think I got the jist of it. Thanks!

The biggest surprise for me in the video was spamming heavy melee instead of doing one long sustained one. I didn't spec my Geth Infiltrator for melee, but I'll try it out with my current build anyway.

In future videos, if you can, could you list the songs you used? Some of them were pretty interesting.

The thing to note about spamming the heavy melee vs letting it pulse is that is uses up more shields.  starting each heavy melee uses like 1/4 of your sheilds, while letting it pulse after the first uses like 1/8.  I usually just let it pulse if there is nothing else within sight that  can shoot at me to conserve shields more, and spam it (no more than twice usually) when it's more important to hit and run.

Modifié par Curzyfish, 26 avril 2012 - 05:16 .

[Wesus]

Really? Sorry but I got a HDMI cable with my Xbox that was compatible with the dazzle. Its lesser game quality but you dont have to record with à camera . Imo for the 40 bucks its worth it considering à HDMI-PVR is 250 bucks :/.

Out of my personal experiences the dazzle works with my crappy laptop from year 2004 so I dont know how to fix the lag as my laptop is old as hell ( it also works on my good computer but nvm).

Sorry if you dont like it but most people I know who bought it, are happy with it.

[kumquats]

Thanks for this build and the videos. I played yesterday a little bit on Silver and then on Gold.
It felt really good to play.