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[count_4]

Air Quotes wrote...
2. Never is regarded as a biotic by any character (except 1 minor exception ME1)

And another one in ME3 (Liara's Project). But I agree, soldier class is pretty much forced anywhere outside of direct gameplay.
Understandable, though. Costs a lot of money and time to have Shep react according to the chosen class in a lot of cut scenes and dialog. A tad annoying but I can live with it.

Modifié par count_4, 25 avril 2012 - 09:12 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Yeah: it'd be too expensive (in terms of both production budget and disk space) to have reshot every cut scene with a biotic version. In a perfect world, though, it would have been nice to see Shepard hit the launch button to Joker's escape pod with a tiny Push, or Pull Dr Michel out of the goon's arms to set up Garrus's head shot.

[WaterWar]

A minor cornor they had to cut in order to save money and disc space. I'm fine with it, as I don't think it has that big of an impact.
I seem to remember more instances than the two already mentioned where people react to Shepard being a biotic. I just can't come up with a specific scene at the moment.

[ashwind]

Stasis dont work on Armored unit, Eva is a robot so she must have armor hence nooooo Stasis there =P

[numark]

lol, I agree it would be cool to have more class-specific powers in cutscenes. Not just for biotics but tech or even combat powers.

In Lair of the Shadow Broker when Vasir jumped out the Baria Frontiers building window my first reaction as an Engineer femshep was:

"Cryo Blast!"
<Shepard starts running>...
"CRYO BLAST!!11 NAO!"
<Shepard takes a running leap off the floor>
"ASKJDHSJDH!!!!@@!#@@" /facedesk

Modifié par numark, 25 avril 2012 - 10:17 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Incorrect

Not all robots have armour (e.g. geth troopers), and not all armour is robots (e.g.brute - whilst they have a lot of mechanical parts, they are not technically a robot)

But yeah, that's player choice for you.

[ParanoidDrone]

As everyone said, it wouldn't be worth it to remake every scene for the various classes that can put their powers to use. (Especially Vanguards and Charge.) Although Dr. Eva and Kai Leng are particularly egregious since they're immune to Stasis, etc. during gameplay. Cutscene Power to the Max is one thing, but Gameplay Power to the Max makes me go WTF.

[The Spamming Troll]

yeah no one ever said my first name too!

what a rip.

[Jestina]

Shepard is a soldier by default/canon.

[incinerator950]

Air Quotes wrote...

Jestina wrote...

Shepard is a soldier by default/canon.

Yeah, we all know that. But A LOT of people don't play soldier 

Yet it was still the most popular class in both ME 1 and ME 2.  ME 2 had the Vanguard either under by a small bit, or barely over to be noticable.  

Now more people are playing diversely, but its still the same.  Default Canon is still Sheploo Soldier.  

However, Kaidan hints at your Biotic capacity in the Ardat Yakshi Monestary at the boken door.  This is after Samara leaps after her daughter.

[Kronner]

Biotic Shepard makes the most sense to me. A regular Soldier with no extra skills would not be able to do what Shepard did.

Modifié par Kronner, 27 avril 2012 - 07:08 .

[MerchantGOL]

Gameplay and story segregation OP look it up

[esalor]

This goes hand in hand with the "why is this character/Shepard using this gun he/she wasn't equipped/can't use?" complaint.(e.g. Shepard whipping out the Predator on every occasion and Thane rocking an Avenger etc.)
They are both annoying and immersion breaking. Not the end of the world though.

[Quething]

You don't have to reshoot every scene four times to fix the goddamn Eva issue, though. Just write the story from biotic Shepard's perspective in the first place. There's absolutely nothing that would be successful against an adept or vanguard Shep in terms of escaping during a chase scene that wouldn't also work on soldier Shep. There are plenty of things that would work on soldier Shep that blatantly don't work on adept/vanguard/sentinel Shep. The solution here seems pretty obvious.

[SetecAstronomy]

Air Quotes wrote...

1. Doesn't know about L2's or life as a biotic in general

My Biotic Shep never asks Chakwas about L2s, because she already knows.

[JaegerBane]

Air Quotes wrote...

1. Doesn't know about L2's or life as a biotic in general

Well, considering he's never been an L2 biotic or involved in biotic affairs up until ME1, not really sure why he'd know this.

2. Never is regarded as a biotic by any character (except 1 minor exception ME1)

Not sure what exactly qualifies as being 'regarded' as a biotic. Every single asari is a biotic and I don't recall everyone making a big thing about it in every scene. He's directly referred to as a biotic in a few relevant scenes, is the argument that he should have been referred to a biotic more times? Just because?

3. Never uses powers in cutscenes when it would make sense. 

That is a big can of worms. He never uses *any* powers in cutscenes, not just biotic ones. He doesn't even used the correct weapon (i know, an Atlas has landed, lets pull out the Predator, easily the best thing one could have). Hell, in ME1 he runs away from Saren's big entrance when he could have easily just activated Immunity and killed him there and then. The scenes are not supposed to be perfectly true to life.

4. Can use powers in gameplay and that makes no sense.

Again, see above.

[JaegerBane]

incinerator950 wrote...
Yet it was still the most popular class in both ME 1 and ME 2.  ME 2 had the Vanguard either under by a small bit, or barely over to be noticable.  

Not sure where that 'fact' has popped up from.

In ME1, judging by the videos on youtube and the forums, I would have guessed an Infiltrator or Vanguard.

In ME2, I would have assumed the same classes again, for the same reasons.

[skiadopsendow]

Is one of the few rpg features that are still there. If they throw it out of the window, it becames a 100% gears of war clone...

[Locutus_of_BORG]

JaegerBane wrote...
That is a big can of worms. He never uses *any* powers in cutscenes, not just biotic ones. He doesn't even used the correct weapon (i know, an Atlas has landed, lets pull out the Predator, easily the best thing one could have). Hell, in ME1 he runs away from Saren's big entrance when he could have easily just activated Immunity and killed him there and then. The scenes are not supposed to be perfectly true to life.

Ah, but you see, JaegerBane, if Saren also had Immunity, then if Shepard activated Immunity first, then his Immunity would wear out first and Saren would kill him. Also, since Saren uses a pistol so much in ME1, it's safe to assume he has Marksman too, which would likely give him the highest DPS in the game. Sometimes the safe approach is the best one.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 27 avril 2012 - 04:52 .

[JaegerBane]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...
That is a big can of worms. He never uses *any* powers in cutscenes, not just biotic ones. He doesn't even used the correct weapon (i know, an Atlas has landed, lets pull out the Predator, easily the best thing one could have). Hell, in ME1 he runs away from Saren's big entrance when he could have easily just activated Immunity and killed him there and then. The scenes are not supposed to be perfectly true to life.

Ah, but you see, JaegerBane, if Saren also had Immunity, then if Shepard activated Immunity first, then his Immunity would wear out first and Saren would kill him. Also, since Saren uses a pistol so much in ME1, it's safe to assume he has Marksman too, which would likely give him the highest DPS in the game. Sometimes the safe approach is the best one.

Nonsense. Shepard would have just used his Adrenaline Rush capability to refresh his Immunity/Marksman instantly. Dakka Dakka Dakka, Galaxy saved.

(Though, saying that, had he actually killed saren then and there, I'm not sure he's ever have been able to stop Sovereign in the end, given how much of an own goal ole' mecha-cthulu scores by directly controlling his puppet at the time he gets wtfpwned later on...)

[Quething]

JaegerBane wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...
Yet it was still the most popular class in both ME 1 and ME 2.  ME 2 had the Vanguard either under by a small bit, or barely over to be noticable.  

Not sure where that 'fact' has popped up from.

In ME1, judging by the videos on youtube and the forums, I would have guessed an Infiltrator or Vanguard.

In ME2, I would have assumed the same classes again, for the same reasons.

BioWare released some statistics from gameplay feedback. Soldier was more played than every other class put together.