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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ZIPO396 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

BrandonBRUNO51 wrote...

Not ashamed of the thread ashamed of this community

Are you okay with Bioware releasing a game without an ending (which is what will happen if IT is true)?

Cute.

Nah technically it stands as an ending. Just not a good one.

An ending? Bioware did not resolve the main plot of the game if IT is true, the plot just stopped.

[Deltakarma]

BrandonBRUNO51 wrote...

Not ashamed of the thread ashamed of this community

Its called the internet and pretty much stating everything that has been said before. So.....

Edit: And yes I listened.

Modifié par Deltakarma, 25 avril 2012 - 10:18 .

[ZIPO396]

Lizardviking wrote...

ZIPO396 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

BrandonBRUNO51 wrote...

Not ashamed of the thread ashamed of this community

Are you okay with Bioware releasing a game without an ending (which is what will happen if IT is true)?

Cute.

Nah technically it stands as an ending. Just not a good one.

An ending? Bioware did not resolve the main plot of the game if IT is true, the plot just stopped.

Never said it was a good one. People seem to be fine with the idea of the game ending right after Anderson and shep close their eyes before getting contacted by Hackett that final madness with the starchild begins. So it stops dead to in that people still prefer it thou.

[Suikoden]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

I'm listening to it. So far its nothing I haven't heard before though. As much as I want to believe indoc, as much as it actually works... Bioware sure haven't been making it sound likely in their public relations. So... *shrug* IF its true then Bioware need to completely fire their PR team and hire a new one cause holy **** they've handled this badly.

If the IT is true, than I don't think they've handled it badly at all.  It's not like people have stopped purchasing the game - and giving away their hand would only limit the experience for these later purchasers.  In fact, I'd say Bioware has handled the situation brilliantly.  If the game had a copy/paste traditional ending a la Dragon Age: Origins, nobody would be talking about it anymore.  Everyone would have moved on.

The fact that the forums are still so incredibly active, (and the game itself is still featured on countless websites/articles), is amazing.  NO other videogame in history has ever come close to causing the amount of discussion that's resulted from the endings of Mass Effect 3.  Whether you like the ending or not, Bioware's goal was for it to not become "forgettable" and for their to be "speculation."  They've succeeded wholeheartedly. 

That, and the majority of the fanbase itself is still indoctrinated by the ending just like their Shepards.

Modifié par beutelmarkus, 25 avril 2012 - 10:21 .

[Ad_Hoc]

BrandonBRUNO51 wrote...

I'm glad somebody finally listened to thats all I wanted.

Op, did you read the thread about the IT with like 2k replies on the bsn, is this podcast the same as this thread with the exeption of podcasters state that its a fact not a theory??? 

If so why bother about listening to it? Whole BSN probably allready heard aboutt IT

[ryuasiu]

WOW! 3 min in and and I am already ******* at them. They start off right off the bat insulting everyone and calling people stupid. This gives the IT community a bad rap. I have would never call anyone stupid for not believing in IT since IT is not fact it is a THEORY.

[ryuasiu]

Stopped listening, nothing new that has not been brought up. And it is funny how they start off saying everyone is stupid and IT is fact but then when they start talking about it there is alot of I believe and I thinks

[Suikoden]

ryuasiu wrote...

WOW! 3 min in and and I am already ******* at them. They start off right off the bat insulting everyone and calling people stupid. This gives the IT community a bad rap. I have would never call anyone stupid for not believing in IT since IT is not fact it is a THEORY.

They may be heavy-handed in their opinions on the ending, but they're no less offensive than the majority of posters that mock anyone that posts anything in favor of the IT or the ending in general - just like almost everyone in this thread responding to the OP.

He might not be a regular poster, probably didn't see the IT thread - not everyone out there has heard about the IT to begin with - and it's pretty exciting when you first discover it.  Cut him some slack.

Modifié par beutelmarkus, 25 avril 2012 - 11:20 .

[rowan93]

The guys in the podcast are just taking every ridiculous thing they think is in the game such as reusing the shadow broker base, using Fem and Male Sheps voice for the catalyst, and all the inconsistencies and just going 'duh it makes no sense because hes dreaming' And they are doing it in a very arrogant way, I hope the IT is false just so these guys can kick themselves in the butt.

(Not really I hope IT is true, but these podcast guys are irritating)

[liggy002]

Lizardviking wrote...

BrandonBRUNO51 wrote...

Not ashamed of the thread ashamed of this community

Are you okay with Bioware releasing a game without an ending (which is what will happen if IT is true)?

Cute.

   Yes, Diablo 2 did that a number of years back and don't tell me that it didn't.  This is nothing new.  As for the OP, I listened to this podcast in its entirety and here is what I think Bioware is doing.  They know that a lot of people had picked up on IT up until PAX.  When PAX hit, they behaved in a manner that discouraged many people from believing in it.  They are indoctrinating us again so as to maximize the shock factor when IT is released for the Extended Cut.

  This is, of course, my theory but I have faith in Bioware.  I believe that they are great story tellers.  That's what this theory illustrates.  It all just fits together so nicely.  Before you attack my argument, listen to the entire post cast.  Otherwise, don't bother posting a rebuttal.

[DJBare]

Lizardviking wrote...

Are you okay with Bioware releasing a game without an ending (which is what will happen if IT is true)?

No, but it's my firm belief that was their original plan, then it backfired due to the backlash recieved by the ending.

[The Angry One]

howieloader wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

howieloader wrote...

 I'm actually obligated to do this:

Indoctrinations you say?

[The Milky Waver]

Lizardviking wrote...

BrandonBRUNO51 wrote...

Not ashamed of the thread ashamed of this community

Are you okay with Bioware releasing a game without an ending (which is what will happen if IT is true)?

Cute.

I'm assuming that you're not a big fan of the current endings either, are you? What's the problem with Bioware not releasing a real ending with the game? EA was rushing Bioware and they probably didn't have any other good choice.

[Bad King]

If IT is real then why does Shepard need higher war assets to unlock synthesis (and possibly control if you destroyed the base in ME2) and thus be indoctrinated? And why doesn't he wake up at the end of every ending seeing as he was only indoctrinated by control/synthesis and not killed?

[Vigil_N7]

My main problem with anything relating to indoctrination or the ending, is that you DO NOT try to have any sort of twist or further speculation in the conclusion of a trilogy.

You do that in the second game, maybe in the first at a stretch, but you definitely do not do it at the end of a trilogy. I want a conclusion damn it, that is what I paid for. That is the very definition of a final installment.

Will I boycott future bioware games because of the current endings? No. Would I if it was planned for them to withhold the real ending to later date? Hell yeah.

[DJBare]

Bad King wrote...

If IT is real then why does Shepard need higher war assets to unlock synthesis (and possibly control if you destroyed the base in ME2) and thus be indoctrinated? And why doesn't he wake up at the end of every ending seeing as he was only indoctrinated by control/synthesis and not killed?

Are the options provided by the catalyst truly rewards?

[The Milky Waver]

Bad King wrote...

If IT is real then why does Shepard need higher war assets to unlock synthesis (and possibly control if you destroyed the base in ME2) and thus be indoctrinated? And why doesn't he wake up at the end of every ending seeing as he was only indoctrinated by control/synthesis and not killed?

If the IT proves to be true, then destroying the reapers represents breaking away from indoctrination.

[ZIPO396]

Bad King wrote...

If IT is real then why does Shepard need higher war assets to unlock synthesis (and possibly control if you destroyed the base in ME2) and thus be indoctrinated? And why doesn't he wake up at the end of every ending seeing as he was only indoctrinated by control/synthesis and not killed?

Starbrat get's more nervous when you have more firepower offeres a middle ground synthesis/control in the hopes to still net you. Becuase you've lost Shepard is now there puppet so him waking up is no longer important. That's the way the theory goes anyway.

[GLR-0053]

OMG what if Shepard never left  Earth and the one breath scene was him waking up in the Defense Committee building..

Modifié par GLR-0053, 25 avril 2012 - 01:19 .

[The Angry One]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

My main problem with anything relating to indoctrination or the ending, is that you DO NOT try to have any sort of twist or further speculation in the conclusion of a trilogy.

You do that in the second game, maybe in the first at a stretch, but you definitely do not do it at the end of a trilogy. I want a conclusion damn it, that is what I paid for. That is the very definition of a final installment.

Will I boycott future bioware games because of the current endings? No. Would I if it was planned for them to withhold the real ending to later date? Hell yeah.

That's right, you absolutely do not add any new twists to the conclusion of a trilogy.

[zarnk567]

Oh... look IT theory again.... once again it's just a Theory.... not fact... I will hold off on proclaiming Bioware's magnificent storytelling skills until the EC releases. If it is IT that still means they sold us an incomplete game which would be worse than just getting a crappy ending.

Modifié par zarnk567, 25 avril 2012 - 01:24 .

[DJBare]

GLR-0053 wrote...

OMG what if Shepard never left  Earth and the one breath scene was him waking up in the Defense Committee building..

Yeah, that scene always bugged me because it focuses directly on Shepard being knocked unconscious in the explosion but Anderson remains unscathed, just as he remains unscathed on the citadel.

Modifié par DJBare, 25 avril 2012 - 01:22 .

[liggy002]

Bad King wrote...

If IT is real then why does Shepard need higher war assets to unlock synthesis (and possibly control if you destroyed the base in ME2) and thus be indoctrinated? And why doesn't he wake up at the end of every ending seeing as he was only indoctrinated by control/synthesis and not killed?

Because if Shepard woke up at the end of the control and synthesis endings then we would know that he was indoctrinated.  By leaving the breath scene out for control and synthesis, Bioware is leaving IT open for debate.  Thus, the polarization effect that Casey Hudson spoke about.

Modifié par liggy002, 25 avril 2012 - 01:25 .

[liggy002]

zarnk567 wrote...

Oh... look IT theory again.... once again it's just a Theory.... not fact... I will hold off on proclaiming Bioware's magnificent storytelling skills until the EC releases. If it is IT that still means they sold us an incomplete game which would be worse than just getting a crappy ending.

  Yes , they sold us an incomplete game but also keep in mind that they are giving us the extended cut for FREE.  Also, bear in mind that other companies such as Blizzard, have released incomplete games (like Diablo 2) but yet their fanbase still goes on and they charged for an expansion to an already inconclusive ending.

Modifié par liggy002, 25 avril 2012 - 01:29 .

[The Angry One]

liggy002 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

If IT is real then why does Shepard need higher war assets to unlock synthesis (and possibly control if you destroyed the base in ME2) and thus be indoctrinated? And why doesn't he wake up at the end of every ending seeing as he was only indoctrinated by control/synthesis and not killed?

Because if Shepard woke up at the end of the control and synthesis endings then we would know that he was indoctrinated.  By leaving the breath scene out for control and synthesis, Bioware is leaving IT open for debate.  Thus, the polarization effect that Casey Hudson spoke about.

Please, tell me you're being sarcastic.