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[Sir Adamus]

It might not have occured to you but people deal with loss in different ways.
Liara is one of the more empathetic members of the crew. She's simply not used to loss in the way the rest of the crew are. Yeah, she's been spending time with Shepard and all the loss involved therein, but that's only over a 2 and a half year period. It can take years for people to get over the loss of something or someone they cared deeply about, and watching your home planet burn right before your eyes, coupled with the stress of everything that has happened so far and is happening right now would warrant a breakdown, especially from someone as sensitive as Liara.

Modifié par Sir Adamus, 25 avril 2012 - 02:29 .

[nitefyre410]

Sir Adamus wrote...

Bare in mind that unlike most of the rest of the crew, Liara isn't a soldier and far more emotional than the rest of the crew.
Most of the toughness she exhibits in ME2, along with being the Shadow Broker, is mostly just an act so that she doesn't break down. She got emotional when Palaven was burning, seeing her home planet burn is bound to be worse.

 

Hell even trained soilders  where breaking down  and barely holding it together. What something like you homeworld burn the genocide of you speices will leave a scar on anyone. How the react and deal with  is the question..some deal with in more  healthy ways than others. 

[Humakt83]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

"Oh my planet just fell and my people are being turned into monsters! Woe is me!" Newsflash Liara: that just happened to all of us, and it was just as traumatic. Buck up, move on, and get revenge.

That is much more understandable than the collective incessant whining of Bioware "fans".

She lost her homeworld, possibly many of her friends and relatives. Compared to that, "fans" have lost nothing.

Modifié par Humakt83, 25 avril 2012 - 02:30 .

[VarrenSoldier]

*laughs*
These Liara haters amuse me.

[Storm258]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Liara is the only character who responds realistically to what's happening on her planet.

Agreed, pretty much what I said:

Storm258 wrote...
And no matter if she's young or if she's a soldier or not, just imagine YOU, in the REAL WORLD had to watch Earth get destroyed. You would stand there and know that your home gets burned down and most of your friends will most likely die in horrible pain. You would also cry, you would also "whine", you would also react like Liara, if not worse.
Do you really think you could handle such an experience without problems?
You are either lying, afraid to show feeling or have a hart of stone if you would not cry and "whine" about such thing.

So Liara's reaction actually is more realistic than most others. In such a situation you don't care that this has happened to others or that other people are in pain too. In a horrible pain like this, it is only natural to think of your own problems. Would you tell me not to cry if a friend of mine got murdered because "news flash", that happened to others too?!

VarrenSoldier wrote...

*laughs*
These Liara haters amuse me.

Yeah, I don't see their problem most of the time ...

Modifié par Storm258, 25 avril 2012 - 02:32 .

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Good Lord now it's whining about whining.
But then again I'm not surpised.
So what else is new?

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 25 avril 2012 - 02:32 .

[Unit-Alpha]

VarrenSoldier wrote...

*laughs*
These Liara haters amuse me.

Honestly, the only reason we have these threads isn't because they have valid arguments, it's because they are pissed that their LI didn't get in the spotlight more.

Though I'm convinced this is just trolling.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 25 avril 2012 - 02:33 .

[Wulfram]

(copy pasting something I posted on Liara's fan thread about this)

Liara sounds pretty distraught about Palaven too. Just a bit better at blocking it out. To an extent, I think her reaction after Thessia was coming anyway - she's not someone who can easily deal with the sort of losses that are going on.

I also think a sense of personal responsibility is part of it.

Firstly, she was the one who stopped the Asari unit from retreating, on the promise that this would save Thessia. But they all died and the mission failed. So she feels responsible for their deaths

Secondly, she's Asari and she feels she hasn't done enough for them. Shepard, Garrus, Tali, Legion - they all went home to their people, she didn't. During the war, she's spent her time helping rally support for Palaven and Earth, and using her network to help with the crucible, and assumed her people would be OK.

Which leads me to another issue - there's a trace of Asari arrogance or complacency in there. Other worlds may fall or suffer violence, but Thessia is pristine and inviolate. So she's not mentally prepared for it.

Modifié par Wulfram, 25 avril 2012 - 02:36 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Wulfram wrote...

(copy pasting something I posted on Liara's fan thread about this)

Liara sounds pretty distraught about Palaven too. Just a bit better at blocking it out. To an extent, I think her reaction after Thessia was coming anyway - she's not someone who can easily deal with the sort of losses that are going on.

I also think a sense of personal responsibility is part of it.

Firstly, she was the one who stopped the Asari unit from retreating, on the promise that this would save Thessia. But they all died and the mission failed. So she feels responsible for their deaths

Secondly, she's Asari and she feels she hasn't done enough for them. Shepard, Garrus, Tali, Legion - they all went home to their people, she didn't. During the war, she's spent her time helping rally support for Palaven and Earth, and using her network to help with the crucible, and assumed her people would be OK.

Which leads me to another issue - there's a trace of Asari arrogance or complacency in there. Other worlds may fall or suffer violence, but Thessia is pristine and inviolate. So she's not mentally prepared for it.

I agree with all these points, especially the second and third.

I think the emotion would be more understandable if they hadn't cut so many Thessia missions. It would have been much more emotional had it seemed like you were going to win, but then the reapers arrived in force in the last mission.

[l7986]

Wulfram wrote...
Liara sounds pretty distraught about Palaven too.

she didnt sound like it to me. to me she sounded more like meh palaven's on fire whatever.

[xxskyshadowxx]

I found her reaction fitting and the emotion helped make the whole Thesssia mission feel a little less hollow. What kind of threw me was how she didn't really react to her father's death at all. Granted she didn't really have a relationship with her, but it still struck me as a bit weird.

Modifié par xxskyshadowxx, 25 avril 2012 - 02:43 .

[Sir Adamus]

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

I found her reaction fitting and the emotion helped make the whole Thesssia mission feel a little less hollow. What kind of threw me was how she didn't really react to her father's death at all. Granted she didn't really have a relationship with her, but it still struck me as a bit weird.

Wait, when did Aethyta die?

[l7986]

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

I found her reaction fitting and the emotion helped make the whole Thesssia mission feel a little less hollow. What kind of threw me was how she didn't really react to her father's death at all. Granted she didn't really have a relationship with her, but it still struck me as a bit weird.

when does she die?

[xxskyshadowxx]

Sir Adamus wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

I found her reaction fitting and the emotion helped make the whole Thesssia mission feel a little less hollow. What kind of threw me was how she didn't really react to her father's death at all. Granted she didn't really have a relationship with her, but it still struck me as a bit weird.

Wait, when did Aethyta die?

When the Citadel was attacked....she was gone, I figured she ran for it, but then the other worker said she had died when I talked to him.

[Elyiia]

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

I found her reaction fitting and the emotion helped make the whole Thesssia mission feel a little less hollow. What kind of threw me was how she didn't really react to her father's death at all. Granted she didn't really have a relationship with her, but it still struck me as a bit weird.

It's not confirmed Aethyta dies is it?

[l7986]

well that sucks.

[Sir Adamus]

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

Sir Adamus wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

I found her reaction fitting and the emotion helped make the whole Thesssia mission feel a little less hollow. What kind of threw me was how she didn't really react to her father's death at all. Granted she didn't really have a relationship with her, but it still struck me as a bit weird.

Wait, when did Aethyta die?

When the Citadel was attacked....she was gone, I figured she ran for it, but then the other worker said she had died when I talked to him.

I just figured she actually put her abilities to good use. Liara never mentions her death, which means she's presumably still alive, and at the Commando you pick up a side mission from in Purgatory after the coup mentions that she's working for Aethyta when you give her the texts you pick up. She's probably just working on gathering forces for the war. She does offer Liara an asari commando unit, so she's obviously influential and powerful.

Modifié par Sir Adamus, 25 avril 2012 - 02:50 .

[Wulfram]

l7986 wrote...

she didnt sound like it to me. to me she sounded more like meh palaven's on fire whatever.

Really?  This sounds like "meh" to you?
http://youtu.be/JWRo7H0n7TM?t=5m48s

Modifié par Wulfram, 25 avril 2012 - 02:54 .

[l7986]

Wulfram wrote...

l7986 wrote...

she didnt sound like it to me. to me she sounded more like meh palaven's on fire whatever.

Really?  This sounds like "meh" to you?
http://youtu.be/JWRo7H0n7TM?t=5m48s

yea i know she was showing emotion but it just sounds like it was forced or that there should of been a couple more lines at the end of her statement.

[xxskyshadowxx]

Elyiia wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

I found her reaction fitting and the emotion helped make the whole Thesssia mission feel a little less hollow. What kind of threw me was how she didn't really react to her father's death at all. Granted she didn't really have a relationship with her, but it still struck me as a bit weird.

It's not confirmed Aethyta dies is it?

No, not confirmed at all. But it's implied and really does seem like she's gone...which sucks.

[tractrpl]

Edolix wrote...

To be honest though, it did annoy me everytime we killed a Banshee she would get all upset saying "that used to be a person!" I just wish my Shepard would shout "what do you think all those husks we've killed used to be!? Or those Marauders!? Am I complaining? Is Garrus? No! So for the love of god, stop whining and deal with it!"

WTF are you talking about? There's whole scenes with Garrus and the Primarch whining. Just cause one has a female voice and the other is male. You guys won't last long in marriage. /rant 

[Knottedredloc]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I think BSN achieved to make a hate-thread about every single feature in the game...

Yep...