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[MisterJB]

dreman9999 wrote...
 Way to putyour foot in your mouth. Who's arguing about what the asari feels in general. We are talikng about the feelings of one of our closes alies. You know, the one who is the reason we are still alive. 
Liara doesn't equal asari government. She has no say in that.
She did not even know about it.
She can't be held account. As well as every arasi not involved in the higher government, which is the vast magority. So really, you comment is just you being an ass.

Did not say it was Liara's fault, I said it was it was the asari's fault which it's true. It took Thessia falling for them to wake up and lower themselves to our level, the so called "lesser species".

And Liara is the one being an ass. I distinctly remember her killing wave upon waves of Husks without a single word but, suddenly, she can't fight Banshees? She should either grow callous or keep her feelings to herself because I don't want to hear the disbelief in her voice when she sees Thessia burning after humans and turians lost their own homeworlds.

[ShepnTali]

All opinions have recently been declared, whining. You're whining about Liara's whining. I'm whining about your whining. Someones going to whine about my whining.

[dreman9999]

Tom Lehrer wrote...



Yet she flips her lid when she sees Asari husks and wont shut up about how horrible it is HER homeworld was hit when she is standing next to a Human and Turian.

Remeber the first time you saw geth puting humans on spikes the first time in ME1? Remeber what happen after ward when the bodies came down later on the same mission in ME1 when they turned ou to be techno Zombies in ME1?
 Alot of people freaked out.....
Apply the same reaction to Liara for Banshees.

[dreman9999]

MisterJB wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
 Way to putyour foot in your mouth. Who's arguing about what the asari feels in general. We are talikng about the feelings of one of our closes alies. You know, the one who is the reason we are still alive. 
Liara doesn't equal asari government. She has no say in that.
She did not even know about it.
She can't be held account. As well as every arasi not involved in the higher government, which is the vast magority. So really, you comment is just you being an ass.

Did not say it was Liara's fault, I said it was it was the asari's fault which it's true. It took Thessia falling for them to wake up and lower themselves to our level, the so called "lesser species".

And Liara is the one being an ass. I distinctly remember her killing wave upon waves of Husks without a single word but, suddenly, she can't fight Banshees? She should either grow callous or keep her feelings to herself because I don't want to hear the disbelief in her voice when she sees Thessia burning after humans and turians lost their own homeworlds.

Asari's goverenemt fault. Most of the asari did not have a say. And it doesn't mean that Liara can't or should not be upset to see her home world fall. That's my point. We are not desusing fault any way. The topic is about how the TC  feel that Liara's morning of her people is whining....Which it's not.
Also, take the time to remeber the first time you fought a human hunk in ME1......aPPLY THE SAME REACTION TO Liara.....You know the feeling....The "These geth are monsters, we need to kill them all" feeling.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Mad Hanar is Mad because Shepard called him a stupid Jellyfish for preaching about the Enkindlers.

Liara = civilian

Shepard = military

Big difference in training and desensitization.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 25 avril 2012 - 05:37 .

[Tom Lehrer]

dreman9999 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...



Yet she flips her lid when she sees Asari husks and wont shut up about how horrible it is HER homeworld was hit when she is standing next to a Human and Turian.

Remeber the first time you saw geth puting humans on spikes the first time in ME1? Remeber what happen after ward when the bodies came down later on the same mission in ME1 when they turned ou to be techno Zombies in ME1?
 Alot of people freaked out.....
Apply the same reaction to Liara for Banshees.

The Reapers turn EVERYONE into husks and Liara knows this. She has after all fought them first hand. It should have been expected that a few Asari husks would show up at some point. That or Liara considers Asari so superior to all the other races that nothing bad like that could have happened to them...until it does.

[SNESwiggum]

I don't hate Liara but I must admit she did annoy me on Thessia. When she said "maybe next time the alliance can chip in for air support!!" while harvesters were blowing stuff up I wanted to shoot her in the face. Really Liara? Okay next time I will contact the decimated alliance forces, who you know are kind of busy with earth, and see if they can spare a fleet to help another lost cause over here on Thessia.

And I'm sorry but the whole Liara is a civilian defense for her emotional reaction is weak. She has been with you since mass effect 1 and fought with you to defeat Saren and the geth. She then becomes this strong independent character in mass effect 2 fighting merc groups, cerberus, and the collectors to retrieve your body. She then becomes an information broker to take on the shadow broker to find her lost friend Feron. You can then help her defeat the shadow broker allowing her to take on that role. While doing all this she has killed and seen death just as much as the true soldiers on your crew. After seeing and doing all that I would think she should be just as hardened as anyone else. So sorry, her reaction on Thessia can be justified in other ways, but the being a civilian defense shouldn't be one of them.

Modifié par SNESwiggum, 25 avril 2012 - 05:44 .

[Nonoru]

The difference is that Thessia is done for.

Earth is still resisting even though they had it worse. Thessia has no more resistance. 

[wilji1090]

I think we're forgetting an obvious fact. Liara's not a trained soldier. I mean, yeah, she's the freaking Shadow Broker now, but if that was acquired through the desire of revenge for what happened to Feron and what the Broker was going to do with Shepard's corpse. Let's face it, Liara wouldn't be cut out for the Commandos, though she can make a Spectre run for her life.

Plus, let's not forget that the Fall of Thessia coincided with Shepard's squad being defeated by Kai Leng and the Prothean data taken. I'd imagine she would have been more composed had they recovered the data and Thessia fell, because in a realistic sense, Thessia would have been sacrificed yet the Crucible would have been completed and the Reapers would've been destroyed [Citadel and Relays not withstanding] but Kai Leng taking the data was just salt on an open wound.

And unless I'm mistaken, Shepard was horrified at Earth just as much, but realized (s)he had a job to do. That's just the soldier mentality Shepard has. Same with Garrus who had been seasoned by the Turian Hierarchy's martial nature and the years of military training. Then there's also Vega with his near insubordination after leaving Earth.

Plus, can you honestly expect a civilian to react the same way soldiers like Anderson, Shepard, Garrus, or even The Illusive Man would react?

[MasterDracoStoc]

You can never just look at an individual. Culture plays such an entirely huge role in how people think and react that you must take it into consideration. Turian's have a society based on self-sacrifice, Krogan's live for war. Human's differ in that some break down without support and some thrive. Asari are highly intelligent beings with THOUSAND YEAR life spans. Watching your homeworld get burned is traumatic, add on the knowledge that in normal situations most of those that died would get another 700 years to live and its understandable that she takes it poorly. Liara is also "younger" than most of the rest of the crew, with the only possible exception being Tali.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Husks are one thing. They're just zombies. You can mow them down. But banshees? Banshees? Banshees? They need a frakkin' squad to focus fire and a crap load of biotics to take down.... each. They are worse than freaky, and to think your people get turned into something like that.

[Aleru]

because she is not soldier. Of course she saw a lot of killing... and killed a lot. But its not the same... She even cries after rescuing Feron.
Shes emotional... like Tali.
I like though how the squadmembers try to help her by saying things like, use that rage against the reapers... thats a nice touch.
Its different to be worried about someones else world... even shepard is not concerned about palaven (and victus is not concerned about earth, but they keep it professional). Happens the same with Liara...she may seem worried..but she didnt felt the weight of the war until the reapers hit thessia...

[Sir Adamus]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Mad Hanar is Mad because Shepard called him a stupid Jellyfish for preaching about the Enkindlers.

Liara = civilian

Shepard = military

Big difference in training and desensitization.

Liara's not some random geek off the street. She's a battle hardened information broker.

That doesn't mean she's made of stone. She's dealt with a lot of loss over the past 2 and a half years, and the fall of her home planet is bound to hit her hard. A soldier is trained to deal with loss over a number of years, Liara was just an archaeologist. Admittedly an archaeologist who can kill you with her brain, who became a ruthless information broker in a quest for revenge, but that doesn't mean she's immediately immune to the pain the fall of her entire planet gave her.
Also of note, Thessia actually fell. Planets like Earth and Palaven were holding on, and Liara empathised with Shepard and Garrus's plight. When it happened to her, she just wasn't prepared for it, the one hope to end the war was ripped away and her planet wasn't just attacked, it outright fell.
I think she's more than entitled to a little grieving.

[Joeybsmooth4]

Shep is having dream about a little boy and freaking out at his teammates . So I think Liara crying over her people dying is ok.

[Grimwick]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Mad Hanar is Mad because Shepard called him a stupid Jellyfish for preaching about the Enkindlers.

Liara = civilian

Shepard = military

Big difference in training and desensitization.

Liara's not some random geek off the street. She's a battle hardened information broker.

Not really. Just two years ago she was an incredibly shy research archaeologist who spent her time alone in dig sites. 

Until the events of LotSB she had never seen much fighting and she didn't even see much fighting during the events of ME1, where Shepard did a lot of the work and it was only geth or small factions that she saw.

During the two years of your death she also did very little aside from brief fights with the Shadow Broker. Despite her apparently 'strong' will to fight and kill the Shadow broker she then breaks down in front of Shepard at the end. Then in the 6 months after ME2 she is again doing little more than research (apart from the cerberus attack on Hagalaz/Mars). 

She's never really seen *that* much combat and I can't recall many times where she sees the death of so many people nor of destruction of a large scale, soldiers or civilians, and so to call her 'battle-hardened' is extreme.
I think she is well within her rights to be upset at the destruction of her homeworld, especially since it appears far more 'destroyed' and defeated than Earth or Palaven ever appear.

[GuardianAngel470]

dreman9999 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...



Yet she flips her lid when she sees Asari husks and wont shut up about how horrible it is HER homeworld was hit when she is standing next to a Human and Turian.

Remeber the first time you saw geth puting humans on spikes the first time in ME1? Remeber what happen after ward when the bodies came down later on the same mission in ME1 when they turned ou to be techno Zombies in ME1?
 Alot of people freaked out.....
Apply the same reaction to Liara for Banshees.

The difference is we were seeing that for the first time. By the time I took Liara on that Monastary mission she had killed hundreds of human husks, dozens of batarian husks, dozens of turian husks, a couple turian/krogan hybrid husks, and some rachni husks.

Yet she's surprised and appalled when they finally do it to the asari, as if this is the first time she's ever seen what the Reapers do.

That's what bothers people. It isn't that she reacts, its that she reacts as if she didn't expect it (which any rational person would have).

I, and others, aren't expecting her to be callous, we're just expecting her to 1) act like a rational person and 2) have a little social awareness when voicing her displeasure.

As I said it isn't the emotion she expresses, it's the surprise. There is absolutely no reason she should react with such surprise. With the context of Kar'Shan, Earth, and Palaven's fates already clearly established there is simply no reason to be surprised by the fall of Thessia.

[megabug7]

I thought the scene of Liara sitting on her bed in tears was quite emotional

Ali Hillis reprised the voice of Liara to-a-tee - it's hard to believe she did the voice of Lightning too (two very distinct voices).

Modifié par megabug7, 25 avril 2012 - 05:57 .

[xxskyshadowxx]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...



Yet she flips her lid when she sees Asari husks and wont shut up about how horrible it is HER homeworld was hit when she is standing next to a Human and Turian.

Remeber the first time you saw geth puting humans on spikes the first time in ME1? Remeber what happen after ward when the bodies came down later on the same mission in ME1 when they turned ou to be techno Zombies in ME1?
 Alot of people freaked out.....
Apply the same reaction to Liara for Banshees.

The Reapers turn EVERYONE into husks and Liara knows this. She has after all fought them first hand. It should have been expected that a few Asari husks would show up at some point. That or Liara considers Asari so superior to all the other races that nothing bad like that could have happened to them...until it does.

People are often in denial of inevitable realities until they come face to face with them. Then they react. It's like, everyone knows that they will die one day. Everyone knows it, but that doesn't stop folks from reacting/panicking when their time comes. She was empathetic to the races that had been Reaperfied but in denial that it would happen to hers...until it did...and then she reacted. It's not an unrealistic behavior.

[xxskyshadowxx]

SNESwiggum wrote...

I don't hate Liara but I must admit she did annoy me on Thessia. When she said "maybe next time the alliance can chip in for air support!!" while harvesters were blowing stuff up I wanted to shoot her in the face. Really Liara? Okay next time I will contact the decimated alliance forces, who you know are kind of busy with earth, and see if they can spare a fleet to help another lost cause over here on Thessia.

Maybe her statement stemmed from the fact that the Alliance was diverting forces to run errands for races/planets that weren't even under Reaper attack. Perhaps her naiive civilian mind thought they might also have some folks they could pull away from running errands to help defend another planet under Reaper attack. She's just silly.

[dreman9999]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...



Yet she flips her lid when she sees Asari husks and wont shut up about how horrible it is HER homeworld was hit when she is standing next to a Human and Turian.

Remeber the first time you saw geth puting humans on spikes the first time in ME1? Remeber what happen after ward when the bodies came down later on the same mission in ME1 when they turned ou to be techno Zombies in ME1?
 Alot of people freaked out.....
Apply the same reaction to Liara for Banshees.

The Reapers turn EVERYONE into husks and Liara knows this. She has after all fought them first hand. It should have been expected that a few Asari husks would show up at some point. That or Liara considers Asari so superior to all the other races that nothing bad like that could have happened to them...until it does.

So what? It just means the person can't freak out enough to not fight back, Not freak out. Their is nothing wrong about beingupset about it. I mean youdid freak out the first time you saw the the finalboss on horizon in ME2?

[General User]

Arrogance is as intrinsic to the asari character as aggression is to the krogan. Liara's biased reaction to seeing asari suffer in the war was understandable, just not particularly admirable.

[nycmode75]

Makes perfect sense. So if someone I loved died, I should not grieve as other people have lost loved ones too. Okay.