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#101
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For Bronze and Silver (if it happens that I play one) I don't care what people bring. They may be trying some weird build, or just a class they didn't play before. After first couple of rounds you will see how they perform, and in case they are awful, account for it when you think of going to revive them.

Gold is another story:
- mostly always I play with at least one friend, it simplifies thing a lot. In any case, I play random/random (it makes things more fun), so decisions later aren't based on specific map/enemy, but on desire of being a successful team only.
- High N7 rating means nothing. I was in a FW gold lobby with my 13 adept, when a guy with N7 rating 7326 joined with his 17 Salarian Engineer and voted me to be kicked. (I even made a screenshot). Scared that we won't make it? He left soon after. (needless to say that AsariA is quite good at that farming spot, and once you have Warp and Throw topped off, you don't need anything else over there). So, I disregard N7 rating, unless (see below)
- low level non-ultra-rare weapon holders = pretenders for being kicked. [especially with high N7 rating] Why? If they are successful players, they should have played enough gold, and hence get enough cash to get all lvl10's by this time (I don't talk about ultra-rares, which could be just a matter of bad luck.
- by the same reason, any <5 Resurgence gun is the same. (they were absolutely trivial to get to lvl 10 during first Resurgence week)
- weapon choice after that. If they get two heavy weapons and play biotic then chances that they are horrible are very high. Soldiers with SMGs go under the same category.
- after that if I have doubts, (and most of times before voting kick) I just ask something. Very politely, never with criticism, like: "Hi, <name>, is your stasis warping or shield-recharging?" "Hi, do you have a salarian?" [infiltrator, when they join as human] "Hi, just courious: what level is your Mantis?" [when I see someone with Widow 1]. My friends are witnesses that it's always polite, but wonder what? 80% of times people just leave after the question. That's surprising, but I feed good that I don't have to kick them. Sometimes they don't answer. Well, not everyone can afford a $5 headset. Or not everyone can speak. If I was asking thinking that he's bad, and he doesn't answer, I vote kick. If they answer something stupid, I vote kick. ... The purpose of the question itself is not to figure out anything specific, but to get an idea if a person you gotta play with has an idea of what he's going to do and WHY does he do that. Say, they can state "I have mantis 10, but widow [their 1] is a better rifle" This simply is not true. Kick. Or they say "I've got Mantis 10, and it does slightly more per-shot damage, but my Javelin 1 has night vision scope installed, so with armor penetration and barrel mods it's good to play against cerberus, and similar against others". Fair enough. They at least made a decision based on what they knew. Like some adepts get SMG to their pistol, because they think that ULM mod for SMG really makes their Hornet weightless. Fair enough. It's wrong, but they know what they do, even when it's wrong. A good indication for a good player, even if they are of a low lvl.
- For low lvl guys dependant on skills I ask which skills do they have topped off. Say, asari adept with stasis and pull topped off could be quite useless, unless you have someone else to detonate it. If [justicar] her Reave is lvl3 only, it leads to weaker detonations. No good.
- Finally, just look at how team sets up. Single justicar in a group of tech-bursting guys won't be able to detonate anything, and eventually be useless. (bug with stacking detonations/tech bursts). Ideally, people should understand it on their own. If not - that's a kick vote.

People with microphones are always more enjoyable to play with. Sometimes even when they are horrible players. Some players will look Ok before start (AA with Carnifex X), but they will end up only shooting their gun, and you won't hear an explosion until wave 10. They will also be dead most of the time, and you will spend most of your time just walking around to get their corpse out of trouble. You can't predict everything. So, take it as an additional challenge of the game. Like playing gold solo, there is also a harder difficulty level named "playing with 3 random guys". Sometimes it'll be easy. Sometimes it's a Hell on Tuchanka. Can you survive it? When you feel like a challenge - get 3 randoms and go ahead!

For Tuchanka!!!

Modifié par Aplin, 25 avril 2012 - 05:30 .


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RaptorSolutions wrote...

Its going to get worst this weekend with Operation Exorcist out. :/


yeah, there are going to be a lot of bad kids this weekend trying to do gold, more than usual...

a lot of booting for me....its sometimes more fun to boot kids then to actually play the game...

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@Paulus magintie
Never said I vote kick for not having equipment, I don't use it all the time.

But if you're N7100ish lvl 13 soldier with low lvl weapons and not carrying any equipment.
Then you're either biting more than you can chew or you're a cocky hotshot. Either way, I'm not eager to have you on the team.

Not certain what you mean by this:
'Its always got something to do with money and equipment with you lot isn't it?'

Got my experience on bronze then silver then thought I'd do gold, actually beat it my very first try, but only cause the others were that good. Used every missile, gel, ammo and pack, decided it was too tough, went back to silver. Tried again after a while, still too tough, silver again.

Finally have enough mileage to hold my on and if the need arises carry the team on gold.
Always playing a lvl 20 char on gold with randoms, I consider it a courtesy to others.
And if there's no INFs I'll do it, but other than devices and reviving, don't expect me to contribute all that much. :D

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obie191970 wrote...

capn233 wrote...
8. If they don't equip Ultra Light Materials on any SMG besides the the Geth Plasma SMG, I vote to kick.
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This is my only criteria.  Especially on a Shuriken X.


Wait, you kick them if they dont use ultralight materials... which doesnt work anyway?  Posted Image

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i dont.

sometimes i try to find a balance in the team. If theres so much light weighted characters (infiltrators and engineers) i try to change to some heavy weighted characters like vanguards, soldiers or sentinels.

But thats it... usually a team composed only by light weighted characters tends to lose. So compesate it.
Nothing more...
your weapon of choice, must be one you feel good with. I cant use the graal... but i saw some people that are in love with the graal and are masters with it. so i ont judge my team upon wepon selection.
Your N7 ranking means nothing. Days ago i saw a N7 444 dying every single minute and a N7 12 getting the top.

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PluralAces wrote...

RaptorSolutions wrote...

Its going to get worst this weekend with Operation Exorcist out. :/


yeah, there are going to be a lot of bad kids this weekend trying to do gold, more than usual...

a lot of booting for me....its sometimes more fun to boot kids then to actually play the game...


Will be trying gold myself for the first time this weekend too. :/

Oh well, have a salarian infiltrator/engineer at lvl 20 and tons of consumables to burn. :D

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xtorma wrote...

This may sound crazy....but i usually wait till after a match to evaluate someone.



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Pyrceval78 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

capn233 wrote...
8. If they don't equip Ultra Light Materials on any SMG besides the the Geth Plasma SMG, I vote to kick.
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This is my only criteria.  Especially on a Shuriken X.


Wait, you kick them if they dont use ultralight materials... which doesnt work anyway?  Posted Image


Especially if they're not using it on the Shuriken X which has a 200% cooldown regarldless of mods or class.

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I look at N7 to see if anything is way out of whack, like less than 120. Less than 120 won't get a kick vote or have me leaving the lobby, but I will look at the class level and loadout to see if anything crazy is going on.

If it's just one person and the rest of the group is fine I won't usually care. If two or more are fail, I'll leave the lobby. Despite my trolling on BSN, I hardly ever actually vote kick, and usually only because someone is either AFK or they're being obnoxious on voice chat.

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Mr_Steph wrote...

xtorma wrote...

This may sound crazy....but i usually wait till after a match to evaluate someone.


negative...this only happens when we dont finish a gold, it just confirms my original suspicions that they sucked!!!!

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#1. Weapon Loadout/Mods. *
#2. Character class/Species. *
#3. Character Level. *
#4. N7 Level.
#5. Gamertag. (I don't let Xx1337xPr0xX into my games. Hate that crap. 98% of them suck.)


* Means they are linked, if they don't have synergy between all 3 (Level 11 Human Adept with Widow and Claymore...) then you get kicked.

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obie191970 wrote...

Pyrceval78 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

capn233 wrote...
8. If they don't equip Ultra Light Materials on any SMG besides the the Geth Plasma SMG, I vote to kick.
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This is my only criteria.  Especially on a Shuriken X.


Wait, you kick them if they dont use ultralight materials... which doesnt work anyway?  Posted Image


Especially if they're not using it on the Shuriken X which has a 200% cooldown regarldless of mods or class.


So... you want them to use a mod that doesnt work on something that doesnt need it anyway in order to play with you?  I do not understand your moon logic, i am afraid.

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Pyrceval78 wrote...
So... you want them to use a mod that doesnt work on something that doesnt need it anyway in order to play with you?  I do not understand your moon logic, i am afraid.


Go to the original 10 reasons to kick post on the previous page that is dripping with sarcasm and you may be able to understand my responses a little more clearly.

Modifié par obie191970, 25 avril 2012 - 05:32 .


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Don't forget your GT's guys, so I can kick you all out.

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Pyrceval78 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

capn233 wrote...
8. If they don't equip Ultra Light Materials on any SMG besides the the Geth Plasma SMG, I vote to kick.
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This is my only criteria.  Especially on a Shuriken X.


Wait, you kick them if they dont use ultralight materials... which doesnt work anyway?  Posted Image

Exactly.  They don't need more than one functional mod on an SMG.

But seriously, do you think I kick for any of the other nonsense in the list of mine?

I hardly ever vote to kick someone out of any game, but of course if your character is less than mid teens I am inclined to do so on Gold.  Did one the other day with a Level 13 Quarian Engineer though, who ranked up 3 levels when we won.  Was a game vs Cerberus on Tuchanka if I recall correctly.

Usually instead of being a clown and voting to kick, you could try talking to someone to let them know that ULM doesn't work right, or that Smart Choke or Shredder is garbage on GPS, or any other number of things.  If they have a class that doesn't mesh well, ask them if they would mind changing.

There is hardly any reason to kick on Bronze or Silver besides "behavioral problems" like just being a sabotaging idiot (as in hindering the group, not the QI power), or being AFK.  If you are ultra low level, perhaps you shouldn't be in Silver, so I can see how that irritates people, but it is nice to do a Silver earlier after you promote in order to level up faster.

Modifié par capn233, 25 avril 2012 - 05:49 .


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Kicking:  I generally only kick when it's really obvious. Below level 10 for Gold, Level 6 for silver(you beat a bronze match, you'll be level 6. Go do that).  Other than that, just the unready. If the rest of the team is strong(esp on silver) I may let it go. It depends a bit on class also. Infiltrators who have enough points to max cloak are generally good to go. Also, I tend to play the suboptimal classes on silver, bc I hate to bring a team down.

Most of this stuff really only applies to gold. I'll look at the team, see if they look like a group that can succeed(I'll switch chars if needed) and then either leave or stay.  Mainly, because I'm not good enough to solo gold matchs, so I'd prefer a team that has a chance of success.  Sometimes, you can tell a group that, 90% of the time, isn't gonna work. When I see bad setups, I just leave rather than kick.

I look at  a variethy of things and there arn't realy hard rules anywhere. It's more a combination


Equipment: No real rules, but using it is a plus.

class:  Hope the mix in the lobby make sense. If it doesn't, I switch to help out or leave.
Combo potential: (tech or biotic) is a plus
Positive Synerge with opponents is a plus(eng vs Geth for example)
Weak classes that tend not to pull their weight unless the player very, very good: most non-infi gun classes, QE, Baterian and Krogan Sentinals. Vanguards (other than Drell)arn't usually a problem, as players who bring them into gold tend to be pretty good with them. If there is a Drell Adept I will change to a biotic class if there arn't nay other.   You can deal with 1 weak class if the rest of the group is strong, but 2+ always seems to result in a wipe.
If the other 3 people are infiltrators, I'll switch to one, as sucks to be the only one visible.

Char Level : Level 6 for silver(go beat a bronze game, it's not hard) or level 10 for gold. I won't usually kick in either case, just leave. Even then, it's more of a red flag than a rule.  If they synergize well with the team and a profile that shows experience, I'll stay.


N7: I genrally don't care that much, although 120+ is prefered for gold. Lower may be ok depending ont he rest of the setup and if they fit well with the team. Really high levels get the benefit of the doubt in other areas.


Weapons: Should make sense for the class. High weapon levels indicate experiance, which is decent predictor of success. Weird setups with high levels well get the benefit of the doubt, esp if the N& level is also high.


I look at a combination of stuff. So a profile the indicates experiance (high weapon levels and N7) will get me to give a chances to an apparently unusual setup.

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Drummernate wrote...

#5. Gamertag. (I don't let Xx1337xPr0xX into my games. Hate that crap. 98% of them suck.)


Can't agree more

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PluralAces wrote...

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Oh god, some people have issues here. Why can't you people just have fun and let other people have fun however they want to? I mean there is nothing wrong with Adept who carries Claymore or sniper rifle. It doesn't matter what weapon/class combo a player is running with. As long as he has fun, let them do it.

Unless you plan on doing a speedrun(which I guess you have a team already) I can understand why'd you go with 200%+ CDR on Adept etc.

Otherwise, kicking someone just because of his weapon choice/level/class is just stupid and childish.


no game is fun if you cant get what you want out of it

in this case its maximum credits on gold, if you cant get that, and that is what you want, is that fun?


Sorry what? You go to gold for credits not challenge? Then why are you going with the pubs then?

If you go to a pub lubby, you go for fun and challenge, because it is fun to see what other people struggle to survive with their chosen builds.
If you go for a speedrun/credits, then sorry, your place is in pre-made team, where all your narrow cookie-cutter builds can be effective.

I go for fun and challenge, and that's why I take Vanguard with Falcon and Wraith, just because it's a nice challenge in it's own tight, and because I just can. No one is telling me that is a wrong build. It may not be effective, but it's still fun.

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Ashilana wrote...

On bronze (when leveling up a promoted character) I don't care what people bring as long as they ready.

On silver I kick anyone lower than level 10. Either you promoted the character (which was your choice) or you are new, either way don't waste other people's time when you could do a couple bronze's and have more points to spend. If that concept baffles you...chances are you too selfish to be a good team player.

The only other thing I will kick for is having no mods equipped on your gun when your N7 is over a 100. Please buy something other than spectre packs...

On gold, I usually kick anyone who isn't 20. The lack of mods issue applies here as well, but to everyone. Also, if you use no consumables I probably won't bring you along if I am playing with friends...it is a bad sign.


Oh, and I kick drell adepts. Sorry, but I like having my sound on.


dude.  Lighten up.  You do not have to be level 20 to beat gold.  Level 15 and up is fine.


Dude lighten up, you can beat gold on levels under 15 as well. I've done it many times now. I have even beat it with a level 4 character. Guns are the important thing. People who are level 20's can have just as little health on their character as a low level character if they choose not to rank up the health (and you have no way of telling what they have ranked up) and some character classes have inherently more health than other characters even after their ranked up. 


Silver and bronze I won't kick. those levels just aren't that hard. Gold I'll kick vanguards (unless I know em) and most soldiers (they just aren't useful) and low N7 ranks. If someone comes in with a level 7 character and a N7 of 500 I am going to figure they do this a lot and can handle it. I do also look at the gun choice though. If a high N7 Came in to the lobby with a level 7 asari adept I expect to see more than the carnifex on her. her casting abilities will be worthless at that low level. you'll hope they have put focus on stasis for the early round but you have no way of knowing.. it's the rare instance where I want to see some good shotgun or sniper rifle or even both and equipment to make up for the lack of power. 

Generally when I see people who want to kick the high N7 wiht the low ranked character I want to leave the lobby anyway because odds are they are kicking because they aren't good enough to hold their own. 

while I have seen a few instances where the low ranked character with the high N7 did terrible most of the time they hold their own just fine. 

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Aplin wrote...

- low level non-ultra-rare weapon holders = pretenders for being kicked. [especially with high N7 rating] Why? If they are successful players, they should have played enough gold, and hence get enough cash to get all lvl10's by this time (I don't talk about ultra-rares, which could be just a matter of bad luck.
- by the same reason, any <5 Resurgence gun is the same. (they were absolutely trivial to get to lvl 10 during first Resurgence week)
- weapon choice after that. If they get two heavy weapons and play biotic then chances that they are horrible are very high. Soldiers with SMGs go under the same category.
- after that if I have doubts, (and most of times before voting kick) I just ask something. Very politely, never with criticism, like: "Hi, <name>, is your stasis warping or shield-recharging?" "Hi, do you have a salarian?" [infiltrator, when they join as human] "Hi, just courious: what level is your Mantis?" [when I see someone with Widow 1]. My friends are witnesses that it's always polite, but wonder what? 80% of times people just leave after the question. That's surprising, but I feed good that I don't have to kick them. Sometimes they don't answer. Well, not everyone can afford a $5 headset. Or not everyone can speak. If I was asking thinking that he's bad, and he doesn't answer, I vote kick. If they answer something stupid, I vote kick. ... The purpose of the question itself is not to figure out anything specific, but to get an idea if a person you gotta play with has an idea of what he's going to do and WHY does he do that. Say, they can state "I have mantis 10, but widow [their 1] is a better rifle" This simply is not true. Kick. Or they say "I've got Mantis 10, and it does slightly more per-shot damage, but my Javelin 1 has night vision scope installed, so with armor penetration and barrel mods it's good to play against cerberus, and similar against others". Fair enough. They at least made a decision based on what they knew. Like some adepts get SMG to their pistol, because they think that ULM mod for SMG really makes their Hornet weightless. Fair enough. It's wrong, but they know what they do, even when it's wrong. A good indication for a good player, even if they are of a low lvl.
- For low lvl guys dependant on skills I ask which skills do they have topped off. Say, asari adept with stasis and pull topped off could be quite useless, unless you have someone else to detonate it. If [justicar] her Reave is lvl3 only, it leads to weaker detonations. No good.
- Finally, just look at how team sets up. Single justicar in a group of tech-bursting guys won't be able to detonate anything, and eventually be useless. (bug with stacking detonations/tech bursts). Ideally, people should understand it on their own. If not - that's a kick vote.

People with microphones are always more enjoyable to play with. Sometimes even when they are horrible players. Some players will look Ok before start (AA with Carnifex X), but they will end up only shooting their gun, and you won't hear an explosion until wave 10. They will also be dead most of the time, and you will spend most of your time just walking around to get their corpse out of trouble. You can't predict everything. So, take it as an additional challenge of the game. Like playing gold solo, there is also a harder difficulty level named "playing with 3 random guys". Sometimes it'll be easy. Sometimes it's a Hell on Tuchanka. Can you survive it? When you feel like a challenge - get 3 randoms and go ahead!


What is your GT? I feel like putting you on my Ignore List. If you play on PS3/PC, even better.

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AnthonyDraft wrote...

PluralAces wrote...

AnthonyDraft wrote...

Oh god, some people have issues here. Why can't you people just have fun and let other people have fun however they want to? I mean there is nothing wrong with Adept who carries Claymore or sniper rifle. It doesn't matter what weapon/class combo a player is running with. As long as he has fun, let them do it.

Unless you plan on doing a speedrun(which I guess you have a team already) I can understand why'd you go with 200%+ CDR on Adept etc.

Otherwise, kicking someone just because of his weapon choice/level/class is just stupid and childish.


no game is fun if you cant get what you want out of it

in this case its maximum credits on gold, if you cant get that, and that is what you want, is that fun?


Sorry what? You go to gold for credits not challenge? Then why are you going with the pubs then?

If you go to a pub lubby, you go for fun and challenge, because it is fun to see what other people struggle to survive with their chosen builds.
If you go for a speedrun/credits, then sorry, your place is in pre-made team, where all your narrow cookie-cutter builds can be effective.

I go for fun and challenge, and that's why I take Vanguard with Falcon and Wraith, just because it's a nice challenge in it's own tight, and because I just can. No one is telling me that is a wrong build. It may not be effective, but it's still fun.


i go to a public lobby because none of my friends are online at the time, finishing wave 10 on gold has nothing to do with a speedrun as I dont do those.... if you showed up in a lobby i was in, i would boot you for having that build

if i want to use a character i am not familiar with i go on bronze or silver to try them out....im not practicing on gold, thats dumb and a waste of my time....

its not fun when I am playing with randoms who do not know how to play the game effectively, nor do I want to carry randoms on gold...i dont want to waste consumables for an unsuccessful mission  

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PluralAces wrote...

AnthonyDraft wrote...

PluralAces wrote...

AnthonyDraft wrote...

Oh god, some people have issues here. Why can't you people just have fun and let other people have fun however they want to? I mean there is nothing wrong with Adept who carries Claymore or sniper rifle. It doesn't matter what weapon/class combo a player is running with. As long as he has fun, let them do it.

Unless you plan on doing a speedrun(which I guess you have a team already) I can understand why'd you go with 200%+ CDR on Adept etc.

Otherwise, kicking someone just because of his weapon choice/level/class is just stupid and childish.


no game is fun if you cant get what you want out of it

in this case its maximum credits on gold, if you cant get that, and that is what you want, is that fun?


Sorry what? You go to gold for credits not challenge? Then why are you going with the pubs then?

If you go to a pub lubby, you go for fun and challenge, because it is fun to see what other people struggle to survive with their chosen builds.
If you go for a speedrun/credits, then sorry, your place is in pre-made team, where all your narrow cookie-cutter builds can be effective.

I go for fun and challenge, and that's why I take Vanguard with Falcon and Wraith, just because it's a nice challenge in it's own tight, and because I just can. No one is telling me that is a wrong build. It may not be effective, but it's still fun.


i go to a public lobby because none of my friends are online at the time, finishing wave 10 on gold has nothing to do with a speedrun as I dont do those.... if you showed up in a lobby i was in, i would boot you for having that build

if i want to use a character i am not familiar with i go on bronze or silver to try them out....im not practicing on gold, thats dumb and a waste of my time....

its not fun when I am playing with randoms who do not know how to play the game effectively, nor do I want to carry randoms on gold...i dont want to waste consumables for an unsuccessful mission  


Then go play with friends if you want a higher possibility or a 100% win rate.
Going into pubs is a risk, because you can rarely find a team who is capable of getting to the wave 10.
You go there knowing it, but you still go there. And you don't like it when you see randm people using builds or weapon combinations that is not to your taste. What do you expect? That everyone start using cookie-cutter builds? That would be stupid and little to no challenge and fun.

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You should be picky on gold unless you are extremely good at carrying/soloing or like losing. Even if you are that sometimes not enough if you aren't a little picky about who you start games with. And almost doubling the score of the next person only to lose is pretty frustrating.

I never kick if I play silver though. bring on your level 1's, I don't care. Gold is a different story, stick to silver if you don't have a clue what you're doing.

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A Wild Snorlax wrote...


I never kick if I play silver though. bring on your level 1's, I don't care. Gold is a different story, stick to silver if you don't have a clue what you're doing.


And what if I have a clue what am I doing? Are you still gonna kick me? Because you can't know until the match has started.

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Pyrceval78 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Pyrceval78 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

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8. If they don't equip Ultra Light Materials on any SMG besides the the Geth Plasma SMG, I vote to kick.
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This is my only criteria.  Especially on a Shuriken X.


Wait, you kick them if they dont use ultralight materials... which doesnt work anyway?  Posted Image


Especially if they're not using it on the Shuriken X which has a 200% cooldown regarldless of mods or class.


So... you want them to use a mod that doesnt work on something that doesnt need it anyway in order to play with you?  I do not understand your moon logic, i am afraid.


you are assuming everyone has the same system you have. I know on PS3 ultra light def works.