Wait a sec, are you seriously advocating kicking a biotic for having a 200% cooldown rate? That's certainly better than the alterative isnt it?Paulus magintie wrote...
I don't normally evaluate anybody.
I just join a game and start up, I do check to see what weapons people have I tend to facepalm and the 1 weapon idiots.
I mean I was using my Asari Justicar with 2 weapons equipt and did perfectly fine same with my Geth Engineer so why do you need 200% recharge and an SMG?
You can also get some light sniper rifles.
Pre-match Player Evaluation: What's your method?
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#151
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 08:30
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#152
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 08:32
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Freskione2 wrote...
I usually don't kick unless they are taking a long long time in the lobby. Why is it that the leaders seem to be notorious for this?
probably because; 1. even a little bit of lag really f-s up some aspects of the game and 2. most games have some lag; so people want to host. then if it takes a while to fill up, they start doing something else.
i don't mind people taking their time configuring their set up, but if they're just not paying attention and holding everyone up, it really annoys me.
#153
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 08:32
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Gold:
N7<75 eithout good loadout = KICK
Weapons: Avenger, Shuriken, Incisor, GPR (non-geth), and a few others usually = kick
classes: NOVAGUARD and Drellguard = TRIPLE KICK
And a few others that vary.
N7<75 eithout good loadout = KICK
Weapons: Avenger, Shuriken, Incisor, GPR (non-geth), and a few others usually = kick
classes: NOVAGUARD and Drellguard = TRIPLE KICK
And a few others that vary.
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#154
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 08:36
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UEG Donkey wrote...
Wait a sec, are you seriously advocating kicking a biotic for having a 200% cooldown rate? That's certainly better than the alterative isnt it?Paulus magintie wrote...
I don't normally evaluate anybody.
I just join a game and start up, I do check to see what weapons people have I tend to facepalm and the 1 weapon idiots.
I mean I was using my Asari Justicar with 2 weapons equipt and did perfectly fine same with my Geth Engineer so why do you need 200% recharge and an SMG?
You can also get some light sniper rifles.
Disregard. There's absolutely no reason to carry more than one weapon other than personal taste. Regardless of class, cooldown > 2 weapons.
#155
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 08:37
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AnthonyDraft wrote...
PluralAces wrote...
i go to a public lobby because none of my friends are online at the time, finishing wave 10 on gold has nothing to do with a speedrun as I dont do those.... if you showed up in a lobby i was in, i would boot you for having that build
if i want to use a character i am not familiar with i go on bronze or silver to try them out....im not practicing on gold, thats dumb and a waste of my time....
its not fun when I am playing with randoms who do not know how to play the game effectively, nor do I want to carry randoms on gold...i dont want to waste consumables for an unsuccessful mission
Then go play with friends if you want a higher possibility or a 100% win rate.
Going into pubs is a risk, because you can rarely find a team who is capable of getting to the wave 10.
You go there knowing it, but you still go there. And you don't like it when you see randm people using builds or weapon combinations that is not to your taste. What do you expect? That everyone start using cookie-cutter builds? That would be stupid and little to no challenge and fun.
Ok maybe I wasnt clear before.....
i go into public lobbies when my friends arent online
...obviously its a risk going into a public lobby, that is why you boot people until you find players that will minimize that risk, , if you go into gold just to keep dying and not getting the most out of what gold offers, then that is just silly
i expect everyone to go into gold knowing that gold itself is a challenge so you should be going in with the characters that you are best are playing with, and obviously if more than one person puts an X next to a player, then they feel that with your current build you are not ready
if you find people who want to play with your wierd builds, good for you...not everyone wants to play with people with weird builds....
ive stated my pre-match player evaluation...if you dont have one, have fun playing gold the way you play it
#156
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 08:37
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Wait a sec, are you seriously advocating kicking a biotic for having a 200% cooldown rate? That's certainly better than the alterative isnt it?Paulus magintie wrote...
I don't normally evaluate anybody.
I just join a game and start up, I do check to see what weapons people have I tend to facepalm and the 1 weapon idiots.
I mean I was using my Asari Justicar with 2 weapons equipt and did perfectly fine same with my Geth Engineer so why do you need 200% recharge and an SMG?
You can also get some light sniper rifles.
casters that need 200% cd are idiots. if you have a free slot, put a javelin in it. how are you ever going to increase your weight capacity if you don't exercise? facepalm!
#157
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 08:44
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N7: I accept anything in the 100's. If N7 is around the 50 range or higher but the player's character-level is high, and the weapons seem to fit, I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. N7 below 50 I don't accept.
Character: I typically don't care about this, not nearly as much as other people do. I believe any character can be good and useful to the team if the player knows how to use him well (yes, even human soldier) and have faith that people generally use their better characters on Gold anyway. I generally hate low (single-digit) characters. I don't care how good you claim to be at it, I don't want to play with a long-cooldown/limited-power/tissue-soft character.
Weapons: this tells me in a big way how the player will play. I expect them to cast their powers frequently if weapons allow it. If their weapons are heavy, I expect them to be combat-oriented - which I'm fine with, if they're good at it.
Equipment: I like seeing players use it, it shows me that they're "invested" into the game. People who use none, I worry if they're taking it seriously.
Mic: a plus for obvious reasons. And sometimes they'll tell you things about how they play which gives you an idea of what to expect.
I'm not big on kicking, I only do it to really low N7's or really low-level characters.
Character: I typically don't care about this, not nearly as much as other people do. I believe any character can be good and useful to the team if the player knows how to use him well (yes, even human soldier) and have faith that people generally use their better characters on Gold anyway. I generally hate low (single-digit) characters. I don't care how good you claim to be at it, I don't want to play with a long-cooldown/limited-power/tissue-soft character.
Weapons: this tells me in a big way how the player will play. I expect them to cast their powers frequently if weapons allow it. If their weapons are heavy, I expect them to be combat-oriented - which I'm fine with, if they're good at it.
Equipment: I like seeing players use it, it shows me that they're "invested" into the game. People who use none, I worry if they're taking it seriously.
Mic: a plus for obvious reasons. And sometimes they'll tell you things about how they play which gives you an idea of what to expect.
I'm not big on kicking, I only do it to really low N7's or really low-level characters.
#158
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 08:47
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paincanbefun wrote...
UEG Donkey wrote...
Wait a sec, are you seriously advocating kicking a biotic for having a 200% cooldown rate? That's certainly better than the alterative isnt it?Paulus magintie wrote...
I don't normally evaluate anybody.
I just join a game and start up, I do check to see what weapons people have I tend to facepalm and the 1 weapon idiots.
I mean I was using my Asari Justicar with 2 weapons equipt and did perfectly fine same with my Geth Engineer so why do you need 200% recharge and an SMG?
You can also get some light sniper rifles.
casters that need 200% cd are idiots. if you have a free slot, put a javelin in it. how are you ever going to increase your weight capacity if you don't exercise? facepalm!
This pretty much. I equip all my casters with a javelin and claymore to help them build some muscle tone.
Note: Can't find eyeroll smilie.
#159
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 08:54
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Let's just say my evaluation method involves some ritual sacrifice, a full moon, and a bag of cheetos.
And let's just leave it at that.
And let's just leave it at that.
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Posté 25 avril 2012 - 09:07
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N7 Rating:
<20: Just started playing, auto-kick from silver and gold.
20-50: I make them aware it's silver (or gold) and that they might not be ready for it, unless I get a response: kick
50-100: Fine for silver, always ask them before gold.
100+: Always fine as long as kit checks out.
Setup:
Class appropriate weapons: adepts & vanguards with heavy snipers are auto-kicked. I'm also unkind to people with Kishocks as 99% of the time they just unlocked it and want to "try it out", I suggest they go to bronze to so this. Otherwise I'm quite forgiving with weapons, most classes can do well with most weapons provided they know what they're doing.
Mods: Enhanced scope with a javelin is a waste of a mod slot, stop trolling me please.
Equipment:
People with amps for weapons they're not using are auto-kicked. Otherwise people are free to use what they like, although I think people should fill at least a couple of equipment slots on gold.
I'm also inclined to kick people who kick others without good reason. For example, people who kick level 1 players on bronze should be kicked themselves.
<20: Just started playing, auto-kick from silver and gold.
20-50: I make them aware it's silver (or gold) and that they might not be ready for it, unless I get a response: kick
50-100: Fine for silver, always ask them before gold.
100+: Always fine as long as kit checks out.
Setup:
Class appropriate weapons: adepts & vanguards with heavy snipers are auto-kicked. I'm also unkind to people with Kishocks as 99% of the time they just unlocked it and want to "try it out", I suggest they go to bronze to so this. Otherwise I'm quite forgiving with weapons, most classes can do well with most weapons provided they know what they're doing.
Mods: Enhanced scope with a javelin is a waste of a mod slot, stop trolling me please.
Equipment:
People with amps for weapons they're not using are auto-kicked. Otherwise people are free to use what they like, although I think people should fill at least a couple of equipment slots on gold.
I'm also inclined to kick people who kick others without good reason. For example, people who kick level 1 players on bronze should be kicked themselves.
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#161
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 09:16
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I don't. I glance over what other people've got going on but I've never kicked anyone before getting a chance to play with them. If they suck then I guess it'll just be a slightly more challenging game, but I'm loathe to judge people for trying to do things that I wouldn't. Way I see it, if you're going to do it then I don't see where that stops. Kicking people with Locust Xs and other weapons considered sub-par equipped? Kicking people who are using sub-optimal class/race combinations? When all the variety and crazy are taken out of these games, they immediately become boring as hell.
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Posté 25 avril 2012 - 09:16
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If they suck, then they suck, there is no way to tell before
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Posté 25 avril 2012 - 09:20
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Yigorse wrote...
I'm also unkind to people with Kishocks as 99% of the time they just unlocked it and want to "try it out", I suggest they go to bronze to so this.
Tell me about it, when I first unlocked the Kishock I went to try it on silver, my regular stomping grounds. Never been so embarassed by how much I sucked.
#164
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 09:27
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Bronze: None (only if they take to long to ready up or are totally rude ****s in the lobby)
Silver: I only look at their level. If they are under level 15 they better have a good loadout. If not they are kicked.
Gold: I usually only do FBW/G/G so it depends on level (level 18 or up) and class. Loadout only depends on the class.
Silver: I only look at their level. If they are under level 15 they better have a good loadout. If not they are kicked.
Gold: I usually only do FBW/G/G so it depends on level (level 18 or up) and class. Loadout only depends on the class.
#165
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 09:30
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Bronze: N7 doesn't matter, but has weapons equipped that aren't stupid, like a Sniper and Shotgun on an Adept. Sniper - fair enough, but you don't need both. Some people at low levels disregard weight. I don't care about loadouts if they are over Level 9.
Silver: At least N7 20, at least character level 4 usually, and no stupid load-outs if at that level.
Gold: At least N7 70 on Firebase White, any other map 120+, no stupid load-outs again, must be over Level 10 unless has a very high N7 and X weapons and equipment, or is a good class below Level 10 with good weapons and equipment.
Silver: At least N7 20, at least character level 4 usually, and no stupid load-outs if at that level.
Gold: At least N7 70 on Firebase White, any other map 120+, no stupid load-outs again, must be over Level 10 unless has a very high N7 and X weapons and equipment, or is a good class below Level 10 with good weapons and equipment.
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Posté 25 avril 2012 - 09:58
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On silver I'm usually willing to give anyone a shot, even a really low level/N7 with basic weapons. If it's a pug, then I do evaluate the team composition, but that's more to get a sense of how good of a character/loadout I need to bring; if too many factors look suspicious (multiple low level characters with bad weapons, low dps classes/weapons, no real synergy between classes...) then I either switch to a character that I'm confident I can carry the team with or I just leave (like if I just promoted all my classes or if I don't feel like carrying the team alone or if I maybe just want to have some fun jerking around with a new/unconventional build).
Yeah, I have kicked people on silver a few times, but I usually just feel like a jerk afterword
On gold, I still usually tolerate one suspicious or unconventional character, though I will initiate/vote to kick someone that is obviously not suited for gold. As on silver, I don't really focus on any one aspect of the character, but a combination of character/N7 level, equipment, class and synergy with other players (and enemy/map if either is specified). If too many of these are off, I don't have a problem with kicking the player, though if I'm hosting I will usually try talking to them first. The 'talking before kicking' bit can be really effective - a lot of times people will acknowledge you and either leave on their own or switch to a better class or/and loadout. Sometimes they even apologize
Yeah, I have kicked people on silver a few times, but I usually just feel like a jerk afterword
On gold, I still usually tolerate one suspicious or unconventional character, though I will initiate/vote to kick someone that is obviously not suited for gold. As on silver, I don't really focus on any one aspect of the character, but a combination of character/N7 level, equipment, class and synergy with other players (and enemy/map if either is specified). If too many of these are off, I don't have a problem with kicking the player, though if I'm hosting I will usually try talking to them first. The 'talking before kicking' bit can be really effective - a lot of times people will acknowledge you and either leave on their own or switch to a better class or/and loadout. Sometimes they even apologize
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Posté 25 avril 2012 - 09:59
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I use this function:
get(N7 level)
if(N7 > 20)
press ready and have some fun
if(N7 < 20)
*shrug* then press ready and have some fun
it works on silver for me.
get(N7 level)
if(N7 > 20)
press ready and have some fun
if(N7 < 20)
*shrug* then press ready and have some fun
it works on silver for me.
#168
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 10:07
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Since I come in last every game I usually don't kick unless the person has been sitting in the lobby for a few minutes. I hate getting kicked because I was trying to switch a gun and didn't click ready in the first ten seconds the lobby became full. Anyways I am usually the one being kicked for being a noob.
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Posté 25 avril 2012 - 10:16
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Don't care what character or weapon your using as long as your able to do your job/role.The whole drell adepts get autokicked, thats just elitist dicks automatically thinking they ALL make the same mistakes.
#170
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 10:20
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Shepard Wins wrote...
Since I play Bronze, Silver and FBW Gold farms I have none. Let the people play the game the way they want ffs.
I say this. I don't want to be judged untill after the game has ended. I'm starting to enjoy playing as a Vanguard in the SP but I know that Vanguards are so hated that I may not bother with multiplayer anymore
#171
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 10:23
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M A F I A wrote...
Out of the many variables, what's the most reliable for you?
N7 Rating: This one's tricky, a high N7 means the guy played a LOT but it doesn't mean he's super good at it, doesn't also mean is a total beginner though. Also an N7 of 120 may mean a guy that is good and doesn't promote or a guy that's such a beginner that doesn't even know HOW to promote. Also a high N7 rating may lead to further misconceptions such as you may "trust the guy" on things you normally abhor such horrible weapon choices thinking that since the guy has a high N7 rating he knows what he does.
Weapon Carried: This is the most reliable variable to me, if you take adept and carry a Claymore AND the Revenant chances are you don't even know the meaning of words such as "cast" or "spells" or even worse "Adept".
Level of the Current Character: This one's tricky as well, a guy with a level 1 sentinel may outperform another guy with a level 20 adept easily if he carries the right weapons and knows how/when to cast spells.
class Choices: Another tricky variable, some classes seem to be evergreen such as Infiltrators that most of the times come handy, some others are a hazard, such as human/krogan vanguards which either they will get killed during the first minute of every wave ultimately leading the team an inevitable defeat OR they will be so good you will have troubles finding standing enemies.
Wether they green up or not.
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Posté 25 avril 2012 - 10:26
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N7: Shows no sign of skill, but good for judging experiance. Generally try to getplayers at least 120, butif your char is maxed ~90ish will suffice.
Weapons: If you use a starter weapon it isn't at least 7+, you haven't put enough time into building a base, so I won't approve of gold. If using ULM, I'll explain it's bugged, If you disagree, I won't waste my time.
Character choice: I'm a bit lenient, but consider that drell adept is made for casting.
Finally, your headset: I prefer not to give myself a migraine while playing. If you want to listen to reav-- I mean dubstep or crying babies please mute it, I don't have the ability to.
DISCLAIMER: You does not mean you. It's just more natural to talk this way.
Weapons: If you use a starter weapon it isn't at least 7+, you haven't put enough time into building a base, so I won't approve of gold. If using ULM, I'll explain it's bugged, If you disagree, I won't waste my time.
Character choice: I'm a bit lenient, but consider that drell adept is made for casting.
Finally, your headset: I prefer not to give myself a migraine while playing. If you want to listen to reav-- I mean dubstep or crying babies please mute it, I don't have the ability to.
DISCLAIMER: You does not mean you. It's just more natural to talk this way.
#173
Posté 25 avril 2012 - 10:30
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Yigorse wrote...
Equipment:
People with amps for weapons they're not using are auto-kicked. Otherwise people are free to use what they like, although I think people should fill at least a couple of equipment slots on gold.
The other night I respecced my GI for GPS use, and changed the weapon to match. Entered a lobby, put on a shotgun amp and readied up-- clock ticked down and the game started.
Lo and behold, neither my powers nor my weapon were changed-- but one of my respec cards was used, because I got a new one right after that game
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Posté 25 avril 2012 - 10:33
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I check for Character level, class, weapons, if any equipment is being used, then N7, then the same for everyone else and check up how likely it would be the player in question might underwhelming and how the odds stand the others and me could compensate.
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Then I throw all that out of the window, tell it to never come back again and go play a match. Works everytime.
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Then I throw all that out of the window, tell it to never come back again and go play a match. Works everytime.
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Posté 25 avril 2012 - 10:58
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asari + sniper = kicked. this is a text book example of doing it wrong.
drell + sniper = kicked. same as above, go back to single player, thane.
battlemaster + sniper = kicked. this is even more embarrassing and shameful than the previous two.
(gold only) level 1-9 (class, not n7) = kicked. "b-but weapons are what matter!" cool, i'll switch to my level 1 drell vanguard with a geth smg X. "N-NO THAT CHARACTER SUCKS". go be arrogant somewhere else, ******, i am not carrying you.
if you sound annoying over the mic = kicked. i don't use a mic anyway, but if i see someone talking a lot, i give a listen. i don't care how high or drunk you are, i don't care that you and your frat buddies are gonna practice making out with each other, i don't care that your boyfriend is sleeping. **** off.
(gold only) human soldier/vanguard = kicked. these attract retards like no other. however, if the vanguard is the host, depending on my mood/their weapons/their equipment, i give it a go.
if your online handle includes a reference to sniping, drugs, internet lingo/memes, hitler's birthday, or anything about ponies = kicked. i refuse to affiliate myself with such people in any capacity.
if i check your online profile and find out that you are a fan of the yankees, lakers, NY giants, eagles, redskins, steelers, canucks, packers, heat, angels, or liverpool = kicked. if i read that you are a fan of the mets or the phillies, i not only kick you, but i send you a 15 second voice message of me laughing.
(gold only) striker, falcon or incisor equipped = kicked. take your poo flingers and get out.
that's all for now. but yeah, this system works out pretty good.
drell + sniper = kicked. same as above, go back to single player, thane.
battlemaster + sniper = kicked. this is even more embarrassing and shameful than the previous two.
(gold only) level 1-9 (class, not n7) = kicked. "b-but weapons are what matter!" cool, i'll switch to my level 1 drell vanguard with a geth smg X. "N-NO THAT CHARACTER SUCKS". go be arrogant somewhere else, ******, i am not carrying you.
if you sound annoying over the mic = kicked. i don't use a mic anyway, but if i see someone talking a lot, i give a listen. i don't care how high or drunk you are, i don't care that you and your frat buddies are gonna practice making out with each other, i don't care that your boyfriend is sleeping. **** off.
(gold only) human soldier/vanguard = kicked. these attract retards like no other. however, if the vanguard is the host, depending on my mood/their weapons/their equipment, i give it a go.
if your online handle includes a reference to sniping, drugs, internet lingo/memes, hitler's birthday, or anything about ponies = kicked. i refuse to affiliate myself with such people in any capacity.
if i check your online profile and find out that you are a fan of the yankees, lakers, NY giants, eagles, redskins, steelers, canucks, packers, heat, angels, or liverpool = kicked. if i read that you are a fan of the mets or the phillies, i not only kick you, but i send you a 15 second voice message of me laughing.
(gold only) striker, falcon or incisor equipped = kicked. take your poo flingers and get out.
that's all for now. but yeah, this system works out pretty good.
Modifié par TLK Spires, 25 avril 2012 - 11:05 .
