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[An English Gamer]

If the Catalyst controls the Reapers...
And the Catalyst is the Citadel...
Wouldn't that mean that if the Citadel is destroyed then so is the thing controlling the Reapers?
Assuming the then free Reapers don't just continue Reaping, wouldn't that mean that everyone is saved?

What would be the full result of destroying the Citadel?
Also take into account that even though the Citadel is only "part" of him that he's just like EDI.
The Normandy is "part" of her. Yet if it were destroyed she would be destroyed too.
SPECULATE:wizard:

Modifié par An English Gamer, 25 avril 2012 - 03:24 .

[The Angry One]

My theory is that the Catalyst's core is in the Presidium tower.
Hence, just blow that up, have the dreadnoughts tear it apart. We can build a new one later, free of the Catalyst's filth.

[likta_]

Nothing would happen, because for some reason Shepard has to die. Space magic needs a human sacrifice to work.

[lx_theo]

Little to nothing.

"The Citadel is part of me"

Part. Only a part.

[An English Gamer]

[quote]The Angry One wrote...

My theory is that the Catalyst's core is in the Presidium tower.
Hence, just blow that up, have the dreadnoughts tear it apart. We can build a new one later, free of the Catalyst's filth.[/quote] Considering how Shepard has a working radio to Hacket on him then that is possible!
Catalyst: Waffle waffle synhesis blah blah
Shepard: Yeah yeah *opens link to Hacket* Hacket, Target the Citadel tower but send a shuttle to pick me up first.
Events unfold and everyone lives the end.

Dunno how to multiquote but...
[/quote] "The Citadel is part of me" The Normandy is technically just part of EDI but if it were to be destroyed EDI would still "die" [/quote]

Modifié par An English Gamer, 25 avril 2012 - 03:21 .

[The Angry One]

lx_theo wrote...

Little to nothing.

"The Citadel is part of me"

Part. Only a part.

I love how people take this literally.

Alright, where else do you think the Catalyst is? It's an AI, not a deity.

[Red Dust]

That glowing kid would be homeless. We'd have to send him to some sort of luminous orphanage.

[The Angry One]

Red Dust wrote...

That glowing kid would be homeless. We'd have to send him to some sort of luminous orphanage.

The Vorlons can adopt him when he gets the hell out of our galaxy.

[lordofdogtown19]

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Little to nothing.

"The Citadel is part of me"

Part. Only a part.

I love how people take this literally.

Alright, where else do you think the Catalyst is? It's an AI, not a deity.

I'm not convinced he's not a VI. I don't think he's smart enough to be an AI

[lx_theo]

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Little to nothing.

"The Citadel is part of me"

Part. Only a part.

I love how people take this literally.

Alright, where else do you think the Catalyst is? It's an AI, not a deity.

And AI can be processed in multiple places. We even have that now with Cloud computing. Personally I think it is a ghost program in the Reapers, and the Citadel being Reaper tech means its also a ghost program they don't know about there. That's all guessing though. 

But to assume that the solution would be as easy as blowing up the citadel is just as bad of an assumption.

[An English Gamer]

lx_theo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Little to nothing.

"The Citadel is part of me"

Part. Only a part.

I love how people take this literally.

Alright, where else do you think the Catalyst is? It's an AI, not a deity.

And AI can be processed in multiple places. We even have that now with Cloud computing. Personally I think it is a ghost program in the Reapers, and the Citadel being Reaper tech means its also a ghost program they don't know about there. That's all guessing though. 

But to assume that the solution would be as easy as blowing up the citadel is just as bad of an assumption.

That would mean the Reapers are like the Geth pre-reaper code would it not?

[The Angry One]

lx_theo wrote...

And AI can be processed in multiple places. We even have that now with Cloud computing. Personally I think it is a ghost program in the Reapers, and the Citadel being Reaper tech means its also a ghost program they don't know about there. That's all guessing though. 

But to assume that the solution would be as easy as blowing up the citadel is just as bad of an assumption.

It also says the Citadel is it's home. It's dialog doesn't indicate that it's anywhere else.
Moreover, the Citadel appears to be required to control the Reapers, given that it remains intact in control.

Besides I'd rather assume that the Catalyst exists in the Presidium tower and blow that up than assume that shooting a tube will kill all Reapers because the Reaper king says it will.

[lx_theo]

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

And AI can be processed in multiple places. We even have that now with Cloud computing. Personally I think it is a ghost program in the Reapers, and the Citadel being Reaper tech means its also a ghost program they don't know about there. That's all guessing though. 

But to assume that the solution would be as easy as blowing up the citadel is just as bad of an assumption.

It also says the Citadel is it's home. It's dialog doesn't indicate that it's anywhere else.
Moreover, the Citadel appears to be required to control the Reapers, given that it remains intact in control.

Besides I'd rather assume that the Catalyst exists in the Presidium tower and blow that up than assume that shooting a tube will kill all Reapers because the Reaper king says it will.

So you make your assumptions based off bitterness? Oh good, this conversation is bound to go someone productive... 

Good day to you.

[lx_theo]

An English Gamer wrote...

lx_theo wrote...


And AI can be processed in multiple places. We even have that now with Cloud computing. Personally I think it is a ghost program in the Reapers, and the Citadel being Reaper tech means its also a ghost program they don't know about there. That's all guessing though. 

But to assume that the solution would be as easy as blowing up the citadel is just as bad of an assumption.

That would mean the Reapers are like the Geth pre-reaper code would it not?

What do you mean?

Modifié par lx_theo, 25 avril 2012 - 03:30 .

[An English Gamer]

lx_theo wrote...

An English Gamer wrote...

lx_theo wrote...


And AI can be processed in multiple places. We even have that now with Cloud computing. Personally I think it is a ghost program in the Reapers, and the Citadel being Reaper tech means its also a ghost program they don't know about there. That's all guessing though. 

But to assume that the solution would be as easy as blowing up the citadel is just as bad of an assumption.

That would mean the Reapers are like the Geth pre-reaper code would it not?

What do you mean?

Networked. If they are all controlled by a program spread across them wouldn't that mean that when one is suddenly destroyed they lose intelligence? They would have no individuality. A feature that they definetly seem to have and that the Reaper code upgrade provides. Besides, like a point made to you earlier the Catalyst does indeed say the Citadel is his home.

[The Angry One]

lx_theo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

And AI can be processed in multiple places. We even have that now with Cloud computing. Personally I think it is a ghost program in the Reapers, and the Citadel being Reaper tech means its also a ghost program they don't know about there. That's all guessing though. 

But to assume that the solution would be as easy as blowing up the citadel is just as bad of an assumption.

It also says the Citadel is it's home. It's dialog doesn't indicate that it's anywhere else.
Moreover, the Citadel appears to be required to control the Reapers, given that it remains intact in control.

Besides I'd rather assume that the Catalyst exists in the Presidium tower and blow that up than assume that shooting a tube will kill all Reapers because the Reaper king says it will.

So you make your assumptions based off bitterness? Oh good, this conversation is bound to go someone productive... 

Good day to you.

Amusing. I stated that I prefer to make assumptions based on my own determinations, not those fed to me by the enemy.
All 3 choices presented are assumptions, Shepard does not know what will happen.

[lx_theo]

An English Gamer wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

An English Gamer wrote...

lx_theo wrote...


And AI can be processed in multiple places. We even have that now with Cloud computing. Personally I think it is a ghost program in the Reapers, and the Citadel being Reaper tech means its also a ghost program they don't know about there. That's all guessing though. 

But to assume that the solution would be as easy as blowing up the citadel is just as bad of an assumption.

That would mean the Reapers are like the Geth pre-reaper code would it not?

What do you mean?

Networked. If they are all controlled by a program spread across them wouldn't that mean that when one is suddenly destroyed they lose intelligence? They would have no individuality. A feature that they definetly seem to have and that the Reaper code upgrade provides. Besides, like a point made to you earlier the Catalyst does indeed say the Citadel is his home.

No, the Geth themselves are the networked program. I'm suggesting/speculating the Catalyst is a ghost program that is not apart of their actual AI, simply capable of influencing their actions and being based out of them without them knowing it.

I guess the Catalyst may get less intelligent as it happens, but I'd imagine with all the processing power the Reapers likely have, that it'd take a lot more destroyed to make much of an impact.

[Ryuukishi]

I think the Catalyst set the cycle in motion millions of years ago but has been dormant since then, and was only awoken again when Shepard and Anderson reached that control panel. (Explains why Saren had to go to all that trouble in ME1 to try to get the Citadel open.) So blowing up the Catalyst wouldn't have stopped the Reapers.

[The Angry One]

Ryuukishi wrote...

I think the Catalyst set the cycle in motion millions of years ago but has been dormant since then, and was only awoken again when Shepard and Anderson reached that control panel. (Explains why Saren had to go to all that trouble in ME1 to try to get the Citadel open.) So blowing up the Catalyst wouldn't have stopped the Reapers.

"I control the Reapers"

Is that a lie too? Is nothing this brat says accurate? Why are we doing what it says again?

Modifié par The Angry One, 25 avril 2012 - 03:41 .

[Laurencio]

An English Gamer wrote...

If the Catalyst controls the Reapers...
And the Catalyst is the Citadel...
Wouldn't that mean that if the Citadel is destroyed then so is the thing controlling the Reapers?
Assuming the then free Reapers don't just continue Reaping, wouldn't that mean that everyone is saved?

What would be the full result of destroying the Citadel?
Also take into account that even though the Citadel is only "part" of him that he's just like EDI.
The Normandy is "part" of her. Yet if it were destroyed she would be destroyed too.
SPECULATE:wizard:

Normandy is a little more than "part" of EDI, her entire being is basically locked in the AI Core =/

Modifié par Laurencio, 25 avril 2012 - 03:46 .

[lx_theo]

The Angry One wrote...

Ryuukishi wrote...

I think the Catalyst set the cycle in motion millions of years ago but has been dormant since then, and was only awoken again when Shepard and Anderson reached that control panel. (Explains why Saren had to go to all that trouble in ME1 to try to get the Citadel open.) So blowing up the Catalyst wouldn't have stopped the Reapers.

"I control the Reapers"

Is that a lie too? Is nothing this brat says accurate? Why are we doing what it says again?

If the control is lifted, who's the say the Reapers don't agree with rhe Catalyst and will go ahead and coninue doing exactly what they are already doing? Hell, this could already be going on, based on the fact that they have said they agree.

Modifié par lx_theo, 25 avril 2012 - 03:42 .

[RShara]

I like this idea. Tell the starkid to go to you-know-where, and contact the fleet to destroy the Citadel.

That would be a great tie in to a conventional victory. The controlling program is suddenly homeless so the Reapers are disoriented enough that we have a chance to win against them.

Even if the program is cloud-networked, having it's "home" destroyed should cause some problems while it finds and uploads to a new location.

Modifié par RShara, 25 avril 2012 - 03:43 .

[Ryuukishi]

The Angry One wrote...

Ryuukishi wrote...

I think the Catalyst set the cycle in motion millions of years ago but has been dormant since then, and was only awoken again when Shepard and Anderson reached that control panel. (Explains why Saren had to go to all that trouble in ME1 to try to get the Citadel open.) So blowing up the Catalyst wouldn't have stopped the Reapers.

"I control the Reapers"

Is that a lie too? Is nothing this brat says accurate? Why are we doing what it says again?

That could mean a lot of things. Maybe he only checks in every 50,000 years. Maybe he just means that he sets the agenda, as he initially did and could do again, but he doesn't control their day-to-day actions. I think it's a valid possible interpretation, anyway. Otherwise, you need to ask why he couldn't just fix the Keeper signal himself and allow Saren access without a fight.

[The Angry One]

lx_theo wrote...

If the control is lifted, who's the say the Reapers don't agree with rhe Catalyst and will go ahead and coninue doing exactly what they are already doing? Hell, this could already be going on, based on the fact that they have said they agree.

One Destroyer spouted propaganda. That's not agreeing. It might as well be indoctrinated.
For all we know destroying the Catalyst will sow doubt among the Reapers, even if the ones like Harbinger press on, others might be stalled. They might even fight each other. Who knows? It's a chance.

[Laurencio]

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Little to nothing.

"The Citadel is part of me"

Part. Only a part.

I love how people take this literally.

Alright, where else do you think the Catalyst is? It's an AI, not a deity.

Assuming the AI is in fact somewhat intelligent and has in fact created the reapers who spend 50k years outside the galaxy, then it's not totally unreasonable to assume that it's not being stupid enough to put everything of itself into one place which the reapers generally have no control over for 99% of the time.

Granted, part of its logic doesn't really lend much credence to its intelligence, but still. If the reapers reap elsewhere then there might be other citadels, and if they don't then at least it should have some sort of backup in deep space? Why leave itself unprotected for 99% of the time?