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[RShara]

If your EMS is high enough, it stalls the Reapers long enough to fight back. The higher your EMS, the more survive. I like it.

[The Angry One]

Ryuukishi wrote...

That could mean a lot of things. Maybe he only checks in every 50,000 years. Maybe he just means that he sets the agenda, as he initially did and could do again, but he doesn't control their day-to-day actions. I think it's a valid possible interpretation, anyway.

It might not control them like a puppeteer, but it controls their agenda and their objective.
Without that driving force, who knows what they'll do?

Otherwise, you need to ask why he couldn't just fix the Keeper signal himself and allow Saren access without a fight.

Sorry, we have to ask that anyway. Even if it's dormant, it can't activate in an emergency? Since the cycle has been overdue for hundreds of years, it doesn't have a failsafe? You telling me the Catalyst is less robust than security programs we have today?

[lx_theo]

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

If the control is lifted, who's the say the Reapers don't agree with rhe Catalyst and will go ahead and coninue doing exactly what they are already doing? Hell, this could already be going on, based on the fact that they have said they agree.

One Destroyer spouted propaganda. That's not agreeing. It might as well be indoctrinated.
For all we know destroying the Catalyst will sow doubt among the Reapers, even if the ones like Harbinger press on, others might be stalled. They might even fight each other. Who knows? It's a chance.

An incredibly stupid chance.

All that time and lives lost to build your fleet and build the Crucible and then... You don't even use it. You even decide to make it so that no one can ever use it again should you fail. Three other choices with considerably better chances of working stand before you... Choosing to blow up those possibility basically dooms everyone,

[Ryuukishi]

The Angry One wrote...

Ryuukishi wrote...

That could mean a lot of things. Maybe he only checks in every 50,000 years. Maybe he just means that he sets the agenda, as he initially did and could do again, but he doesn't control their day-to-day actions. I think it's a validpossible interpretation, anyway.

It might not control them like a puppeteer, but it controls their agenda and their objective.
Without that driving force, who knows what they'll do?

Otherwise, you need to ask why he couldn't just fix the Keeper signal himself and allow Saren access without a fight.

Sorry, we have to ask that anyway. Even if it's dormant, it can't activate in an emergency? Since the cycle has been overdue for hundreds of years, it doesn't have a failsafe? You telling me the Catalyst is less robust than security programs we have today?

 
Yeah, there's just no real satisfying answer to some of this (sorry) speculation.

Modifié par Ryuukishi, 25 avril 2012 - 03:49 .

[XTR3M3]

If we had blown up the citadel, we wouldn't have to deal with starbrat and we could have just pwned Harbie in the face and walked into the sunset.

[The Angry One]

lx_theo wrote...


An incredibly stupid chance.

All that time and lives lost to build your fleet and build the Crucible and then... You don't even use it. You even decide to make it so that no one can ever use it again should you fail. Three other choices with considerably better chances of working stand before you... Choosing to blow up those possibility basically dooms everyone,

So, after the Crucible is revealed to be the tool of the self-professed leader of the Reapers, you gladly go ahead and accept everything the leader says and assume that doing what it says will achieve the result it claims.
Why will shooting the tube kill the Reapers? Because the Catalyst says so.
Why will grabbing the electrified paddles control the Reapers? Because the Catalyst says so.

Hey, you go right along and put your trust in the enemy, sparky. I'd rather put my trust in the fleet I assembled to finish the job.

[Computron2000]

Don't blow up the citadel, scan the Control and Destroy tubes then experiment to see how you can have short controlled bursts unlike the idiotic ending. Like the entire Sanctuary experiment, you don't need a galaxy wide effect. You just need a long enough range effect so you can transmit from Mars to earth the command "destroy yourself".

[Subject9x]

hey guys, I have a plan: we're going to build this incredibly ancient reaper-killing thing. It's going to take all the resources, and the brightest minds to build. It will require most, if not all of the largest armada in history to cover it when links to the now known firing device; the citadel.

so here's the idea: we're going to send our massive armada in, it's going to protect and cover the crucible, the crucible that has to dock with the citadel. In order to dock, we must keep the area clear of reapers, will cost many ships but it's do-able.

ok, still with me?

let's hook the crucible up to the citadel without a single man on the crucible to assist in docking/connection. No teams, no standby teams, nothing, crucible should be able to dock all by itself, although we admittedly have no idea how it works, we're sure that when it hooks up, it'll figure itself out, no need to investigate or be preemptive here.


<facepalm>

Modifié par Subject9x, 25 avril 2012 - 03:59 .

[Ownedbacon]

All these problems could have been avoided had they not made the Catalyst the Reaper leader/controller.

[Computron2000]

Subject9x wrote...

hey guys, I have a plan: we're going to build this incredibly ancient reaper-killing thing. It's going to take all the resources, and the brightest minds to build. It will require most, if not all of the largest armada in history to cover it when links to the now known firing device; the citadel.

so here's the idea: we're going to send our massive armada in, it's going to protect and cover the crucible, the crucible that has to dock with the citadel. In order to dock, we must keep the area clear of reapers, will cost many ships but it's do-able.

ok, still with me?

let's hook the crucible up to the citadel without a single man on the crucible to assist in docking/connection. No teams, no standby teams, nothing, crucible should be able to dock all by itself, although we admittedly have no idea how it works, we're sure that when it hooks up, it'll figure itself out, no need to investigate or be preemptive here.


<facepalm>

You just reminded me of something. Kasumi was supposed to be on the Crucible. So once its linked, whats to prevent her from bringing a team of scientists to Sheaprd's position? Shuttle, rappelling, etc could all have easily worked

Modifié par Computron2000, 25 avril 2012 - 04:04 .

[lx_theo]

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...


An incredibly stupid chance.

All that time and lives lost to build your fleet and build the Crucible and then... You don't even use it. You even decide to make it so that no one can ever use it again should you fail. Three other choices with considerably better chances of working stand before you... Choosing to blow up those possibility basically dooms everyone,

So, after the Crucible is revealed to be the tool of the self-professed leader of the Reapers, you gladly go ahead and accept everything the leader says and assume that doing what it says will achieve the result it claims.
Why will shooting the tube kill the Reapers? Because the Catalyst says so.
Why will grabbing the electrified paddles control the Reapers? Because the Catalyst says so.

Hey, you go right along and put your trust in the enemy, sparky. I'd rather put my trust in the fleet I assembled to finish the job.

Its the best you can go on.

I rather go on questionable information than none at all.

[Subject9x]

Computron2000 wrote...

You just reminded me of something. Kasumi was supposed to be on the Crucible. So once its linked, whats to prevent her from bringing a team of scientists to Sheaprd's position? Shuttle, rappelling, etc could all have easily worked

shouldnt shepard have just been on the crucible dock team to begin with, kasumi or not? i thought the attack plan revolved around getting the crucible to the citadel, what was shepard doing on earth? (@writers) just ride the damn crucible to the citadel, it has to go there anyway! lulz.

[legion999]

Large quantities of eezo lands on the Earth along with billions of tonnes of debris likely wiping out all life on Earth and any survivors on the Citadel.

Modifié par legion999, 25 avril 2012 - 04:08 .

[Computron2000]

Subject9x wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

You just reminded me of something. Kasumi was supposed to be on the Crucible. So once its linked, whats to prevent her from bringing a team of scientists to Sheaprd's position? Shuttle, rappelling, etc could all have easily worked

shouldnt shepard have just been on the crucible dock team to begin with, kasumi or not? i thought the attack plan revolved around getting the crucible to the citadel, what was shepard doing on earth? (@writers) just ride the damn crucible to the citadel, it has to go there anyway! lulz.

That portion was understandable in that they needed the arms open but there definitely should have been support once the silly crucible linked.

[Ownedbacon]

Computron2000 wrote...

Subject9x wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

You just reminded me of something. Kasumi was supposed to be on the Crucible. So once its linked, whats to prevent her from bringing a team of scientists to Sheaprd's position? Shuttle, rappelling, etc could all have easily worked

shouldnt shepard have just been on the crucible dock team to begin with, kasumi or not? i thought the attack plan revolved around getting the crucible to the citadel, what was shepard doing on earth? (@writers) just ride the damn crucible to the citadel, it has to go there anyway! lulz.

That portion was understandable in that they needed the arms open but there definitely should have been support once the silly crucible linked.

Or how Shepard doesn't communicate with Hackett after he passes out and trusts the Reaper leader and goes with the three options without question or hesitation.

[Arbiter156]

In answer to the titles question: you get the current mass effect 3 ending...

[tanisha__unknown]

Is it really possible for the allied forces to destroy the citadel? If I recall the codex entries in ME1 corretly, it is made of an almost indestructible material.

Anyway, it is used to control the mass relays - or so I assume since it is stated in the first game that it is the portal through which the reapers usually enter and lock down the relays before anybody could notice. Some kind of influence on them should be expected, the kind of which is highly speculative.

[Subject9x]

Jinx1720 wrote...

Is it really possible for the allied forces to destroy the citadel? If I recall the codex entries in ME1 corretly, it is made of an almost indestructible material.

Anyway, it is used to control the mass relays - or so I assume since it is stated in the first game that it is the portal through which the reapers usually enter and lock down the relays before anybody could notice. Some kind of influence on them should be expected, the kind of which is highly speculative.

no, the Citadel is said to have incredibly thick armor plating that when closed, no know race could shoot its way inside, in fact in ME1 shepard needs to open the arms for this very reason: the alliance can't blow its way in.

[Orumon]

Most likely what will happen is one of two or three things:

First: Nothing. You just blew up prime cosmic real estate and pissed off the reapers.
Second: The reapers lose what was holding them together as individuals, literally putting them all into a catatonic state as the collective conciousness withing each reaper realises what happened to them and rebels against it. Some Reapers might be able to get themselves back under control, like Harbinger, but most will be too weakened to be a problem.
Third: The reapers turn highly individualistic if they were dependent on the catalyst for governance but not outright enslavement.

[The Angry One]

Subject9x wrote...

Jinx1720 wrote...

Is it really possible for the allied forces to destroy the citadel? If I recall the codex entries in ME1 corretly, it is made of an almost indestructible material.

Anyway, it is used to control the mass relays - or so I assume since it is stated in the first game that it is the portal through which the reapers usually enter and lock down the relays before anybody could notice. Some kind of influence on them should be expected, the kind of which is highly speculative.

no, the Citadel is said to have incredibly thick armor plating that when closed, no know race could shoot its way inside, in fact in ME1 shepard needs to open the arms for this very reason: the alliance can't blow its way in.

Which doesn't apply if the Citadel is already open. The indestructable armour is on the outer hull.
Besides, that's why I said focus on the Presidium tower.

[Subject9x]

The Angry One wrote...

Subject9x wrote...

Jinx1720 wrote...

Is it really possible for the allied forces to destroy the citadel? If I recall the codex entries in ME1 corretly, it is made of an almost indestructible material.

Anyway, it is used to control the mass relays - or so I assume since it is stated in the first game that it is the portal through which the reapers usually enter and lock down the relays before anybody could notice. Some kind of influence on them should be expected, the kind of which is highly speculative.

no, the Citadel is said to have incredibly thick armor plating that when closed, no know race could shoot its way inside, in fact in ME1 shepard needs to open the arms for this very reason: the alliance can't blow its way in.

Which doesn't apply if the Citadel is already open. The indestructable armour is on the outer hull.
Besides, that's why I said focus on the Presidium tower.

...right... i agree, so when shepard opens the arms in 1 and 3, the citadel is vulnerable.  I still dont udnerstand why no teams were put on the crucible itself.

-wait- derp, I just remembered why shepard needs to be in london, the citadel is closed, lulz what a faux pas of mine. Doesnt negate my demand for a crucible team nor why this team would be able to not only save shep but also kill TIM and save anderson...but at least I know why shep was in london.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The Angry One wrote...

Subject9x wrote...

Jinx1720 wrote...

Is it really possible for the allied forces to destroy the citadel? If I recall the codex entries in ME1 corretly, it is made of an almost indestructible material.

Anyway, it is used to control the mass relays - or so I assume since it is stated in the first game that it is the portal through which the reapers usually enter and lock down the relays before anybody could notice. Some kind of influence on them should be expected, the kind of which is highly speculative.

no, the Citadel is said to have incredibly thick armor plating that when closed, no know race could shoot its way inside, in fact in ME1 shepard needs to open the arms for this very reason: the alliance can't blow its way in.

Which doesn't apply if the Citadel is already open. The indestructable armour is on the outer hull.
Besides, that's why I said focus on the Presidium tower.

I say we grab Jack and plant a big f***in nuke at a strategic place in the Citadel Tower and blow the thing to Hell.

[An English Gamer]

Ownedbacon wrote...

All these problems could have been avoided had they not made the Catalyst the Reaper leader/controller.

Hell, if whoever thought of it hadn't we'd probably end up with an ending where the thing just kills the reapers and everyone lives. It's still not an ME ending but at least it wouldn't be as depressing.

[M.C.Tales]

Isn't the Citadel also an inactive mass relay? I'm not sure if destroying a dormant relay has the same effects as destroying an active one.

[Linkenski]

What will happen if you blow up the citadel, which controls the reapers, you ask?
Simply put: THE MASS EFFECT 3 ENDING.