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[The Phazer]

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.

Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

You are a very big part of it I'm afraid. The way you've behaved in many threads recently - being evasive and rude to posters asking legitimate questions, and locking down huge threads of information that you had ignored for months such as the EMS or the face patching threads - is just embarrassing.

Bioware as a whole has come across as passive agressive and evasive, and obsessed with a kind of vague secrecy for no good reason that has proven to be completely counterproductive.

[Oilking72]

My experiences on these forums have definitely affected my attitude towards other people on these forums.

The amount of inane, useless, whiny and rude threads created on a daily basis is staggering and I truly fear for humanity as a whole. That and that people around here have a lot more time on their hands than I do.

Modifié par Oilking72, 27 avril 2012 - 04:01 .

[Catastrophy]

ME3: Last ten minute WTF moment

This forum: Tempting to socialise and adopt predominant viewpoints. It was difficult to single out why I REALLY disliked the ending. Found humour, needs a tad more.

Sites about ME3? Don't know about that, are there any? Same goes for anything ME2 DLC and literature and twitters and blogposts. If it's not in the game it never happened for me.

[Sean]

If Bioware doesn't step up to the plate and actually create an ending to Mass Effect 3 (The current ending is a copy/paste of Deus Ex so Bioware didn't create it) with quality writing then I will regain hope with them as storytellers. Dragon Age 2 was also a disappointment even in the way the art style changed, it went from good, medieval, fantasy game to cheap, anime-ish (giant weapons, cliche'd animations, scrawny little guys somehow being able to hold a weapon twice their size) with no real sense of urgency to the plot since it already happened.

Dragon Age 2 could've been better and Mass Effect 3 could've been better. Seems like both games were rushed.

Until ME3 is fixed I won't spend money on Bioware. I gave them another chance after DA2 but they blew it after ME3. It still has the possibility of being repaired but doesn't sound likely with the way they have described EC.

Why should I spend money on a company that seems to be destroying the worlds they have created?

[phat0817]

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.

Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?



[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Not sure there's really much can do right now Chris..ME3 fiasco is on every-body's mind and seems to be topic of choice so unless you intend to lock every topic about the end. At least until EC comes out and hopefully gives clarification then perhaps smoke will settle if you catch my drift.

But I thank you and appreciate you asking for our opinion I know speaking with us hasn't been easy for you as of late.

[Quarters Alpha]

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.

Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

In response to that, I don't really feel like you guys are doing anything wrong. I think you've handled everything well so far, and I've continued to count your games amongst my favorites. The only thing I grow concerned about is that the people who are the loudest about their displeasure overwhelm those that actually do like the things in question, which can end up biting us in the butt. A good example is DAII. I loved DAII, despite a couple of hiccups, and actually preferred it to DAI. However, the ones that hated it were so fervent about it that it made it seem like everybody did.

When they announced that they had stopped development on the next DLC for DAII, it really bummed me out, because I wanted to see where they were taking that game next. Instead, I felt like they just had to make an appeal to those who get the most angry. I'm glad that with ME3, you guys are just providing clarification and everything with the EC, and not changing it outright. But mainly, I just hope that you continue to remember that not everyone totally disproves of everything you do.

[Redneck Sith]

RX_Sean_XI wrote...

If Bioware doesn't step up to the plate and actually create an ending to Mass Effect 3 (The current ending is a copy/paste of Deus Ex so Bioware didn't create it) with quality writing then I will regain hope with them as storytellers. Dragon Age 2 was also a disappointment even in the way the art style changed, it went from good, medieval, fantasy game to cheap, anime-ish (giant weapons, cliche'd animations, scrawny little guys somehow being able to hold a weapon twice their size) with no real sense of urgency to the plot since it already happened.

Dragon Age 2 could've been better and Mass Effect 3 could've been better. Seems like both games were rushed.

Until ME3 is fixed I won't spend money on Bioware. I gave them another chance after DA2 but they blew it after ME3. It still has the possibility of being repaired but doesn't sound likely with the way they have described EC.

Why should I spend money on a company that seems to be destroying the worlds they have created?

Agreed. I'll add SWTOR to the list of disappointing games though. Lackluster stories & ridiculously derivative gameplay, combined with devs who display an incredible amount of hubris and know NOTHING about class balance made me quit in disgust.

In fact, even if they do 'fix' the ending, I'll be avoiding future Bioware/EA products. They've proven that they're not the company I loved anymore. Also it's pretty obvious Drew Karpyshyn was the TRUE talent behind the storytelling.

EAware, you can go stuff yourselves.

[SalsaDMA]

Emzamination wrote...

Daramatis wrote...


"Stop being so sensitive"

"Sensitive" - good word that.

One meaning is "Quick to take offense; touchy."

Another is "Susceptible to the attitudes, feelings, or circumstances of others."

Perhaps we should all be more of the latter - show a little more empathy towards each other on these forums?

Personally I agree with viperabyss - I've noticed a fair few "jarring" items which seemed unwarranted.  "Tone" can be difficult to relay in a text-based communications medium such as this, but not impossible; the choice of language and style of presention all has an influence on the reader.

Chris Priestly did ask, "To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?"  Viperabyss gave an expanded rational answer to this question.

If you disagree then it is your right to do so, absolutely, but in a constructive manner.  "Stop being so sensitive" isn't constructive, but inflamatory. 
I could equally say, "stop being so insensitive", but won't, because that would be insensitive of me. 

Don't tell ME what manner I should use when in disagreement.If a "snarky" remark makes you feel someone is condescnding or cyber bulling you then YEAH maybe you should be less sensitive.

Say whatever you like but quite frankly you should stop being so uptight and sensitive as well.

Stop flamebaiting.

If you don't appreciate people posting in context of the thread, find a thread that is more to your liking.

[DaJe]

Quarters Alpha wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.

Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

In response to that, I don't really feel like you guys are doing anything wrong. I think you've handled everything well so far, and I've continued to count your games amongst my favorites. The only thing I grow concerned about is that the people who are the loudest about their displeasure overwhelm those that actually do like the things in question, which can end up biting us in the butt. A good example is DAII. I loved DAII, despite a couple of hiccups, and actually preferred it to DAI. However, the ones that hated it were so fervent about it that it made it seem like everybody did.

When they announced that they had stopped development on the next DLC for DAII, it really bummed me out, because I wanted to see where they were taking that game next. Instead, I felt like they just had to make an appeal to those who get the most angry. I'm glad that with ME3, you guys are just providing clarification and everything with the EC, and not changing it outright. But mainly, I just hope that you continue to remember that not everyone totally disproves of everything you do.

Would you please stop that vocal minority argument?
You take DA2 as an example. It didn`t do bad because 4 people on this or any other forum complained very "loud". It was generally regarded as an underwhelming sequel by the press and more so by the majority of users.
You might love it, and that is your opinion, but don't make it look like those with complaints are a rude, whiny minority.
The game was a failure and most of it's sales came from the back of Origins. Don't try to blame people on this forum for that.

And look at the communication there.
The lead designer of DA2 (taking over after the lead designer of the much more popular Origins left) was all over the marketing for the game, but after the reality came out there was almost nothing. No reasonable explanations, apologies or anything.
And that was actually even better than the insulting treatment fans get now.
Everything that is happening now is deserved.

[WaffleCrab]

Oilking72 wrote...

My experiences on these forums have definitely affected my attitude towards other people on these forums.

The amount of inane, useless, whiny and rude threads created on a daily basis is staggering and I truly fear for humanity as a whole. That and that people around here have a lot more time on their hands than I do.

Humanity has been a lost cause since the international selfperpetuating debt making economy was set in stone.

current average for any currency in international economy. 1 unit of currency costs 1 unit of the said currency +7% interest for the parties involved. Logical, right?

more on topic, i would not correlate humanity with the ME or any other forums, hell some of the most interesting and intellect people i have met live in the outbacks of the rock down under with no internet connection, and on the other hand some of them live all the way up north in finland, past the 60 degree point, with minimal connection. And on the flip side, I have made actual friends in my own country, and the US, canada and UK and malesia, and i have had the privilage of visiting said people in person. But still i would never compare humanity with the Forums

All in All, we all write stupid **** here on the forums from time to time, wether or not you admit it. Also Alot of the threads created are not without cause, you dont see most of the ones with a good reason behind them, as trolls take over them easily and they get burried under the avalanche of new threads.

[WaffleCrab]

Hmmm interesting development. My friend whos has been playing without never having the upload info on in ME3 has magickly suffered either a 1 day ban, or the service is unavailable. He keeps getting error telling him its a bad login :S that kinda leaves a sour note to my mouth, consider hes one of the friends i was looking forward to play the weekend event with. :S

Edit: I actually got him to put the damn uplod info on so he could get some use of the event :S *sigh*

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 27 avril 2012 - 09:25 .

[Edrick1976]

WaffleCrab wrote...

I for one must admit, the effect has been more negative than positive. Despite few great moments and bits of news and all the great (albeit nearly failed raptor) multiplayer events, and the great SP campaign(right untill the last moments and stupid scenes where the ME3 completely ignores existing lore). The ME3 patches have broken some things maybe not create new glitches all the time(those too happened), And the fact how easy it is to cheat in multiplayer that you start seeing them alot in the PuG games too Is disturbing. And myriad of other things that just rub me the wrong way as a customer(especially broken promises/false pretenses in marketing). That all combined with how BW has handled allthings ME3 on and off forums is from time to time disgusting trampling on customers.

All those above have made me to rethink my view on ME as a franchise and wether or not i will be buying them or BW games for that matter at all anymore. I havent given up on them completely yet. but i will definetly decrease the amount of money i will be spending on their games from now on, I will no longer be pre ordering them, instead i will make sure to buy em at retail for dirty cheap month or 2 after release.

How have your views changed on the franchise or BW? Let us others know

Edited typos

I would be carefull with how you share your feelings about not buying games from BioWare they have a way of getting you baned from the BSN.

[AlanC9]

WaffleCrab wrote...
current average for any currency in international economy. 1 unit of currency costs 1 unit of the said currency +7% interest for the parties involved. Logical, right?

Sure. Why lend you money if I'm not going to get some interest out of the deal? I don't quite follow where you're going with that.

[AlanC9]

Edington wrote...
I would be carefull with how you share your feelings about not buying games from BioWare they have a way of getting you baned from the BSN.

No, it's acting like a jerk that gets people banned.

[Destr1er]

The forums are just the icing on the cake.
Bioware's last 3 game releases have put me off any future Bioware games.

Dragon Age 2 was an abomination.

SW:TOR was basically Warhammer Onine Age of Reckoning re-skinned. And WAR was a terrible, terrible game.

ME3 was decent except for the ending which was a gigantic, anticlimactic letdown to a 5 year epic trilogy.

They kept the same basic team and team lead who did DA2 and they are doing DA3, so that is a no go.

Looks like this might be the end of the line for me. It's been a fun ride Bioware, but you died when you sold yourselves to the digital version of Satan.

Modifié par Destr1er, 27 avril 2012 - 10:11 .

[SalsaDMA]

AlanC9 wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...
current average for any currency in international economy. 1 unit of currency costs 1 unit of the said currency +7% interest for the parties involved. Logical, right?

Sure. Why lend you money if I'm not going to get some interest out of the deal? I don't quite follow where you're going with that.

It's the concept of making money out of thin air that is the problem.

Basicly his example means that in order for things to 'work' in that paradigm, you need more money than exists, which is a paradox. Hence the only way things can go is ever more debt.

[Emzamination]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Daramatis wrote...


"Stop being so sensitive"

"Sensitive" - good word that.

One meaning is "Quick to take offense; touchy."

Another is "Susceptible to the attitudes, feelings, or circumstances of others."

Perhaps we should all be more of the latter - show a little more empathy towards each other on these forums?

Personally I agree with viperabyss - I've noticed a fair few "jarring" items which seemed unwarranted.  "Tone" can be difficult to relay in a text-based communications medium such as this, but not impossible; the choice of language and style of presention all has an influence on the reader.

Chris Priestly did ask, "To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?"  Viperabyss gave an expanded rational answer to this question.

If you disagree then it is your right to do so, absolutely, but in a constructive manner.  "Stop being so sensitive" isn't constructive, but inflamatory. 
I could equally say, "stop being so insensitive", but won't, because that would be insensitive of me. 

Don't tell ME what manner I should use when in disagreement.If a "snarky" remark makes you feel someone is condescnding or cyber bulling you then YEAH maybe you should be less sensitive.

Say whatever you like but quite frankly you should stop being so uptight and sensitive as well.

Stop flamebaiting.

If you don't appreciate people posting in context of the thread, find a thread that is more to your liking.

 Thank you mini-mod but if you have an issue with my post feel free to hit that report button and let the actual mods take care of the berating, Thank you.

Modifié par Emzamination, 27 avril 2012 - 11:04 .

[wesr]

The forum hasn't put me off bioware nearly as much as the half finished game and the fact that for a number of people they can't even play it after 2 weeks due to that patch they can't seem to fix or at least take down off xbox live. I'm still amazed this half of the site hasn't exploded in rage from everyone about the patch.

[tempest_87]

Quarters Alpha wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.

Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

In response to that, I don't really feel like you guys are doing anything wrong. I think you've handled everything well so far, and I've continued to count your games amongst my favorites. The only thing I grow concerned about is that the people who are the loudest about their displeasure overwhelm those that actually do like the things in question, which can end up biting us in the butt. A good example is DAII. I loved DAII, despite a couple of hiccups, and actually preferred it to DAI. However, the ones that hated it were so fervent about it that it made it seem like everybody did.

When they announced that they had stopped development on the next DLC for DAII, it really bummed me out, because I wanted to see where they were taking that game next. Instead, I felt like they just had to make an appeal to those who get the most angry. I'm glad that with ME3, you guys are just providing clarification and everything with the EC, and not changing it outright. But mainly, I just hope that you continue to remember that not everyone totally disproves of everything you do.

My question to you is: are the "you guys" you refer to the forum moderators, or EA/Bioware as a whole? If it is to the moderators then that is entirely personal opinion (I have seen so little from the moderators other than the occasional "locked" comment that I can't make much of an opinion on the moderators themselves). If you refer to EA/Bioware as a whole, then please take a quick look over to the PC Technical Issues forum and try and find a response of any type from an employee to any of the numerous multi page (or the dozens of individual threads that relate but were created seperately) threads. If you find a single one I would be curious to know, since I have yet been able to find one myself.

What you say about the "whiners" (my term, not yours) can definately be valid, especially when they rage and lose semblance of logic and reason and just want to vent anger or make others angry. But eventually issues get to the point where the phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" comes into play. There was much outcry over the ending, and bioware is taking the admirable step of trying to expand on it and clear some of the issues, while maintaining the outcome they desired (similar endings have been unfavorable, like Sienfeld or The Sopranos, just to name two). So just because many didn't like the actual ending doesn't necessarily mean that they should be able to change it, it just means that their beloved franchise went in a completely different direction than they wanted (I myself am one greatly disappointed in the last 10 minutes of the game). However, the state of the technical support forums is one such issue where there needs to be a lot more noise, beause the game is nigh unplayable for a number of people due to lag, FoV problems, DLC authentication, and (IMO to a much lesser extent) the facial import problems, yet there seems to be absolutely no concern from EA/Bioware on the very common problems people are having.

Modifié par tempest_87, 27 avril 2012 - 11:56 .

[Keyrlis]

Clarian wrote...


...What I think Bioware really needs is an ombudsman: a player advocate / internal self-critic.  They may not have needed such a thing in the old days, but...these days, I think they do.  They need someone who takes the side of the fans, so that when there's a huge thread with many different people saying "this is a problem", the advocate says "Yes, it is," not "no, it's just the lighting." Right now, they don't have anyone to do that.  They need an internal self-critic who says "Guys...what were you thinking? People are going to hate this," so that some of this stuff never sees the light of day.  Right now, it sure doesn't seem like they have anyone to do that either.

As someone currently performing a similar job in an unrelated business, I agree that it is an opportunity for BioWare to better understand the response of the fans, and to gauge the amount of negative feedback. One would think this would have happened sometime between peer review and final certification. However, having someone in such a role does not guarantee that they will be listened to by people higher up in the organization who believe they know what direction is best for a project. I am sure there were a number of test groups (internal or external) at BioWare that warned them of some of the bugs/plot holes/disappointing scenes, but at the time, they didn't seem important enough to warrant a recoding/rewriting. With the eruption of the fanbase over the ending, objectives of the upper part of the hierarchy changed from technical fixes to PR damage control, while fans began to voraciously pick apart other problems. Had the ending been more satisfying to everyone, more BioWare resources (processor cycles, time, money) could have been dedicated to bug fixes rather than to dealing with backlash and trying to repair the collateral damage of public opinion.
My point? People in that position are never deemed relevant, even after being proven correct, but are often left to deal with the mistakes created, then ignored by people with more "responsibility" to the company. An ombudsman is a wonderful asset, but only when its voice is heard.

[Clarian]

Keyrlis wrote...
People in that position are never deemed relevant, even after being proven correct, but are often left to deal with the mistakes created, then ignored by people with more "responsibility" to the company. An ombudsman is a wonderful asset, but only when its voice is heard.

That's too bad - if people in that role are usually ignored, I mean.  I don't have any first-hand experience with seeing how a role works like that in the real world, myself.

But yeah, if they don't have any actual decision-making authority, I can see how that would happen...

Modifié par Clarian, 28 avril 2012 - 12:12 .

[Daramatis]

Emzamination wrote...

Daramatis wrote...


"Stop being so sensitive"

"Sensitive" - good word that.

One meaning is "Quick to take offense; touchy."

Another is "Susceptible to the attitudes, feelings, or circumstances of others."

Perhaps we should all be more of the latter - show a little more empathy towards each other on these forums?

Personally I agree with viperabyss - I've noticed a fair few "jarring" items which seemed unwarranted.  "Tone" can be difficult to relay in a text-based communications medium such as this, but not impossible; the choice of language and style of presention all has an influence on the reader.

Chris Priestly did ask, "To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?"  Viperabyss gave an expanded rational answer to this question.

If you disagree then it is your right to do so, absolutely, but in a constructive manner.  "Stop being so sensitive" isn't constructive, but inflamatory. 
I could equally say, "stop being so insensitive", but won't, because that would be insensitive of me. 

Don't tell ME what manner I should use when in disagreement.If a "snarky" remark makes you feel someone is condescnding or cyber bulling you then YEAH maybe you should be less sensitive.

Say whatever you like but quite frankly you should stop being so uptight and sensitive as well.

I can see that no matter what I say you'll steadfastly miss the point.  Have no fear, I forgive you.

You seem to have mistaken basic good manners for "uptight and sensitive".  I'm certainly not offended by your reply, far from it, you're merely making my point for me.  Thank you.  I am saddened to see such anger and frustration though.

Oh, and by the way, you dropped an "e" from "condescending", you may want to watch that in future.

[Keyrlis]

Daramatis wrote...

"Stop being so sensitive"

"Sensitive" - good word that.

One meaning is "Quick to take offense; touchy."

Another is "Susceptible to the attitudes, feelings, or circumstances of others."

Perhaps we should all be more of the latter - show a little more empathy towards each other on these forums?

-Snippified-

If you disagree then it is your right to do so, absolutely, but in a constructive manner.  "Stop being so sensitive" isn't constructive, but inflamatory. 
I could equally say, "stop being so insensitive", but won't, because that would be insensitive of me. 

Beautifully well-put, and a good EXCELLENT recommendation for us all.
Kudos to your kindness, and I will try to remember that.

[Daramatis]

Keyrlis wrote...

Daramatis wrote...

"Stop being so sensitive"

"Sensitive" - good word that.

One meaning is "Quick to take offense; touchy."

Another is "Susceptible to the attitudes, feelings, or circumstances of others."

Perhaps we should all be more of the latter - show a little more empathy towards each other on these forums?

-Snippified-

If you disagree then it is your right to do so, absolutely, but in a constructive manner.  "Stop being so sensitive" isn't constructive, but inflamatory. 
I could equally say, "stop being so insensitive", but won't, because that would be insensitive of me. 

Beautifully well-put, and a good EXCELLENT recommendation for us all.
Kudos to your kindness, and I will try to remember that.

Many thanks for your kind words Keyrlis, much appreciated. 

Oh, I do have moments of frustration too, I'm only human afterall,  but I try to take a step back, take a breath and moderate my responses, otherwise nothing is achieved, any message gets lost in the flames.

 

[xsdob]

Can't we all just go to the party temple and forget about how everyone who comes to the boards loses a good chunk of their brain and their sanity by default?