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Has your experience with ME3/ME3 forums/ME3sites etc. affected your attitude towards future ME games and BW releases?


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Edington wrote...

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I for one must admit, the effect has been more negative than positive. Despite few great moments and bits of news and all the great (albeit nearly failed raptor) multiplayer events, and the great SP campaign(right untill the last moments and stupid scenes where the ME3 completely ignores existing lore). The ME3 patches have broken some things maybe not create new glitches all the time(those too happened), And the fact how easy it is to cheat in multiplayer that you start seeing them alot in the PuG games too Is disturbing. And myriad of other things that just rub me the wrong way as a customer(especially broken promises/false pretenses in marketing). That all combined with how BW has handled allthings ME3 on and off forums is from time to time disgusting trampling on customers.

All those above have made me to rethink my view on ME as a franchise and wether or not i will be buying them or BW games for that matter at all anymore. I havent given up on them completely yet. but i will definetly decrease the amount of money i will be spending on their games from now on, I will no longer be pre ordering them, instead i will make sure to buy em at retail for dirty cheap month or 2 after release.

How have your views changed on the franchise or BW? Let us others know :)

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I would be carefull with how you share your feelings about not buying games from BioWare they have a way of getting you baned from the BSN.


If they ban people simply for stating you wount buy games from them anymore. they would be violating their own TOS. They are not allowed to ban unless in extreme cases, such as spammers, personal attacks. etc.

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AlanC9 wrote...

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current average for any currency in international economy. 1 unit of currency costs 1 unit of the said currency +7% interest for the parties involved. Logical, right?


Sure. Why lend you money if I'm not going to get some interest out of the deal? I don't quite follow where you're going with that.


What i meant here, the actual minting of coins and printing. makes you pay that extra 7%. and how do you pay that extra 7%? by minting more. its a selfperpetuating cycle. You can look it up, oh and its actually worse for the countries with a federal bank, i think in US the percentage is over 10% atm.

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SalsaDMA wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...
current average for any currency in international economy. 1 unit of currency costs 1 unit of the said currency +7% interest for the parties involved. Logical, right?


Sure. Why lend you money if I'm not going to get some interest out of the deal? I don't quite follow where you're going with that.


It's the concept of making money out of thin air that is the problem.

Basicly his example means that in order for things to 'work' in that paradigm, you need more money than exists, which is a paradox. Hence the only way things can go is ever more debt.


Thank you for putting it better than i did :D english is not my forte(native language being finnish)

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More on topic, I was anticipating worse server performance during the weekend event thatn usual... but to my surprise, no DC's not even on team side. Also first 10 set of spectre packs i bought that did not get the "unable to process" crap. Well this weekend looks more positive now :D

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BW did great on ME3. Whatever criticism they get for the ending is the only criticism I heard. Sure they failed at then ending but the content of it was so good. I am just disappointed that BW was now able to deliver in the "clutch". But the gist of it all is that even though they had done something, the good easily outweighs it. So no. But I am hoping something better next time from them.

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It sure has, which is a good thing. I don't plan on rushing to play BioWare products like I used to. 

Modifié par jreezy, 28 avril 2012 - 11:42 .


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Not really, i had my opinions shaped from the beginning and the forums just helped me develop them and make me keep them. If anything the forums made me less naive and way more cynical regarding Bioware

Modifié par CrazyRah, 28 avril 2012 - 11:47 .


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WaffleCrab wrote...

More on topic, I was anticipating worse server performance during the weekend event thatn usual... but to my surprise, no DC's not even on team side. Also first 10 set of spectre packs i bought that did not get the "unable to process" crap. Well this weekend looks more positive now :D


Lucky, I played two games to round two before it was obvious we werent gonna come close to finishing. Left the games and lo and behod: "Communicating....." and couldn't join another game. Tried off an on for aoubt 30 minutes before giving up.

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Shadedclan wrote...

BW did great on ME3. Whatever criticism they get for the ending is the only criticism I heard. Sure they failed at then ending but the content of it was so good. I am just disappointed that BW was now able to deliver in the "clutch". But the gist of it all is that even though they had done something, the good easily outweighs it. So no. But I am hoping something better next time from them.


Uhm...journal, evesdropping "quests", linear story, auto-dialog, less dialog choice (even without auto dialog), major choices having no impact, priority: earth being low quality overall...

Edit:
I forgot:
Tali reveal, Snooki Allers, Day 1 DLC (withholding essential character to the story and lore), weakest animations in the series, unnatural femshep modeling, messed up face gen, messed up face import...

Modifié par DaJe, 28 avril 2012 - 03:03 .


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WaffleCrab wrote...
What i meant here, the actual minting of coins and printing. makes you pay that extra 7%. and how do you pay that extra 7%? by minting more. its a selfperpetuating cycle. You can look it up, oh and its actually worse for the countries with a federal bank, i think in US the percentage is over 10% atm.


What am I looking up, exactly? You can't mean that it costs $1.07 to print a US dollar bill, $10.70 to print a US ten dollar bill, and so on. Coins, sometimes, but that's a fairly trivial part of the money supply.

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SalsaDMA wrote...
It's the concept of making money out of thin air that is the problem.

Basicly his example means that in order for things to 'work' in that paradigm, you need more money than exists, which is a paradox. Hence the only way things can go is ever more debt.


Don't you mean "more inflation"?

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DaJe wrote...

Uhm...journal, evesdropping "quests", linear story, auto-dialog, less dialog choice (even without auto dialog), major choices having no impact, priority: earth being low quality overall...

Edit:
I forgot:
Tali reveal, Snooki Allers, Day 1 DLC (withholding essential character to the story and lore), weakest animations in the series, unnatural femshep modeling, messed up face gen, messed up face import...


Of course, mileages vary on how bad these were, and whether some of them were even problems. 

For instance, major choices had no impact on ME1, and only a minor impact on ME2. Bio's major choices have always been pretty well contained -- see, for example, KotOR, where the major DS/LS choices on each planet don't change anything about the endgame.

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AlanC9 wrote...

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It's the concept of making money out of thin air that is the problem.

Basicly his example means that in order for things to 'work' in that paradigm, you need more money than exists, which is a paradox. Hence the only way things can go is ever more debt.


Don't you mean "more inflation"?


Nope. He pretty much stated it as it was.

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Yes, I can play ME 2 over and over and over, and ME 3 after rannoch im just like....bleh......Im using an adept, why cant i put the smack down on Kai lang when I first face him? Why do i charge at him like a moron wielding a baseball bat? Different classes should have different responses to different scenes.....lazy developing to the MAX.

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SalsaDMA wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...
It's the concept of making money out of thin air that is the problem.

Basicly his example means that in order for things to 'work' in that paradigm, you need more money than exists, which is a paradox. Hence the only way things can go is ever more debt.


Don't you mean "more inflation"?


Nope. He pretty much stated it as it was.


But what he's saying doesn't make any sense. "More money than exists" isn't a problem. The money supply grows over time, and should grow. Has to, really; even if you're using gold people keep mining the stuff. And if you're not using gold or some such the money supply can be increased to whatever the central banks feel comfortable with.

I guess you'll have to give me the Cliff's Notes version of the theory. I'd Google it if I knew what you two are talking about.

Modifié par AlanC9, 28 avril 2012 - 06:28 .


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AlanC9 wrote...

DaJe wrote...

Uhm...journal, evesdropping "quests", linear story, auto-dialog, less dialog choice (even without auto dialog), major choices having no impact, priority: earth being low quality overall...

Edit:
I forgot:
Tali reveal, Snooki Allers, Day 1 DLC (withholding essential character to the story and lore), weakest animations in the series, unnatural femshep modeling, messed up face gen, messed up face import...


Of course, mileages vary on how bad these were, and whether some of them were even problems. 

For instance, major choices had no impact on ME1, and only a minor impact on ME2. Bio's major choices have always been pretty well contained -- see, for example, KotOR, where the major DS/LS choices on each planet don't change anything about the endgame.


Except the excuse they gave for them not having an impact was "You'll see the effects in ME3!  We were saving them for the third one!",  and in the days leading up to release they continued to insist your choices would have an impact.

Then it turned out it was like the first two,  and it didn't do anything at all.

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 My attitude towards ME has changed since I played ME3 and read posts. I admit I was one of the ones  who bought ME3 based on past games through BioWare and playing the past ME games. I read the posts by the developers and people promoting ME3 and went with what the "pre-hype" that was being portrayed. This has changed on any future purchases on any game. My favorite game is/still ME2. I hyped myself up reading post on how the game "would be better" than the previous games. What I failed to see is how someone else may percieve what is "better" compared to what I believe would be better. Chalk it up to lesson learned.

ME3, in my opinion, did not combine ME 1&2 properly. Some choices that carried over were irrelevant or pointless to the direction that ME started off with. Now it is a question of, if I purchase any more RPG games that will have a series, how much will make a difference if it carries over. Sort of why i enjoyed ME2. I could see the impact of my previous choices and either feel good or have ping of regret. I did not see that so much in ME3. The ending did not affect me as others. It is not my story, how it ends depends on who is telling it. Maybe that was the ending it should be, an ending that could be explained if BioWare makes a 4th, or an ending that could eliminate so many past choices so everyone starts equal. Again not my story. What got me was the game play leading up to it.

If I had read the player's post before buying the game, I would not have purchased the game, at least not until the price dropped. To much negative feed back on the game as a whole, from loading up your personal Shepard to the "ending". I look at theese forums like buying anything else. To many bad reviews from people who actulaly use the product vs someone who just used the product to make a review and never uses it again. I do not pay attention the the players' review who just picked up the game for the first time. Not to say their opinion does not matter, but I want to read from someone who has spent the same amount of time playing the first two games as I have. The ones that devolped their Shepard into what they see Shepard to be. A boy/girl scout all the way to a pre-Darth Vader. These are the ones who can overlook something or plan out say "WTF just happen." I look at reviews from first time users when it is a fresh start ,equal footing for everyone. This is one of those games where I expect there to be some lopsidedness. Either hard because I alienated people or easy because I help so many people. This is were players who played from the 1st game come in. I can see the "I am glad I made that chioce" or "I have to play from the 1st game all the way up again to get this option" posts. 

As for the forums, again a lot of negativiety. Not just about the game, but also towards others who do not share the same opinion. If one peron loved the game, should not bash on him/her because of that. It is easy for someone to criticize someone on a forum where he/she may not have any contact with the other person face to face vs someone who has to say that same criticism face to face. Could simply say "i dont agree with your review" and here is list of reasons why. I see to many people say "your dumb for writing that" and do not have any valid points as to why he/she is wrong. Again, how someone sees a game may be different compared to another. But reading a post is like wathcing a commercial, can either watch it or not. 

The site is not bad, should either incorporate male and female Shepards or even allow for different backrounds. But not sure how much work that would include or possible glitches. it would be nice to make the website more personal.

"We just wanted to make the biggest, best game experience we could conceive of", as ME as a whole, good job. For just ME3, came up a little short. 

Modifié par Wicked Zim, 28 avril 2012 - 08:40 .


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AlanC9 wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...
What i meant here, the actual minting of coins and printing. makes you pay that extra 7%. and how do you pay that extra 7%? by minting more. its a selfperpetuating cycle. You can look it up, oh and its actually worse for the countries with a federal bank, i think in US the percentage is over 10% atm.


What am I looking up, exactly? You can't mean that it costs $1.07 to print a US dollar bill, $10.70 to print a US ten dollar bill, and so on. Coins, sometimes, but that's a fairly trivial part of the money supply.


It doesnt make sense in modern times, but sadly the world economy is locked in it.  Which why it is stupid. I will try to explain it more in detail but those are the facts. As the currency of each country, is tied to the finite resources of the country, which in turn has to be represented in the monetary reserves and the value of the tender.

ok lets go baby steps for the slow ones.

-you create a 1 currency unit bill.

-it costs a set amount of money to make it.

-but in the end, after making the bill all debt generated making it, and in some cases(like US) who got a federal bank. The total cost of the 1 currency of the money amounts to being greater than what the legal tender is worth.
international average being aprox 7%.

Note. this has been around way before all the recent inflation, it is just a simple fact that lot of the bankers like to hide. The fact that the economy model we are using, has a self perpetuating debt built in it. Mainly because the economy treats most goods it trades as infinite when in reality they are finite.

if that did not clear it out, your beyond my help.

Edit: This is the main cause of modern inflation, along side the ever lasting game with trading currencies.

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 29 avril 2012 - 01:19 .


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tempest_87 wrote...

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More on topic, I was anticipating worse server performance during the weekend event thatn usual... but to my surprise, no DC's not even on team side. Also first 10 set of spectre packs i bought that did not get the "unable to process" crap. Well this weekend looks more positive now :D


Lucky, I played two games to round two before it was obvious we werent gonna come close to finishing. Left the games and lo and behod: "Communicating....." and couldn't join another game. Tried off an on for aoubt 30 minutes before giving up.


yeah i got my hopes up early, servers are sluggish as hell now. sometimes takes a minute just to get into the MP now :S not to mention the lobby ****s now on the move... "I will leave if if you dont put on unknown enemy" -.- gues they didnt get the memo about the phantoms.

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I'd hate to see someone's idea about Mass Effect be changed by websites and oppinions, matter of fact, I should hope someone is more stronger willed than that ---- you have to be able to figure out what you like and don't like based on your own ideas and view points. That being said --- no site nor fan's mis-informed rant/flame changed anything as far as what I thought of the series --- its the end result of the said Bioware/EA product that shows the problems without the unnecessary drama that is found in many conversations that go wrong in a thread.

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Yes, they've shaped the way I perceive the ending.

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The ending of ME3 means that I will no longer be buying BioWare
products, and I've bought every single one on release day since the
original Baldur's Gate. This is even more of a pity because 99% of Mass
Effect 3 was a superb gaming experience.

Chris Priestly wrote...
To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

Simple: listen to the complaints about why the ending doesn't make sense, admitting it was a poor idea, poorly executed, and replacing it with a new ending.

Secondary suggestion: Push back on EA and their insistence to include MP in everything. I'll admit I have somewhat enjoyed the MP, but I play BioWare games for SP. Mandatory MP (and it is mandatory if you want the "best" ending, despite claims to the contrary) is not acceptable.

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It has not effected my attitude towards BW games at all, but it has affected my opinion about the BSN rather negatively. 

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I have learned that BW still has it in them to make the best games in the business if they don't betray everything the franchise stood for in the last ten minutes of their game.

I will wait for user reviews and won't preorder but I still have faith that they can do great things.

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WaffleCrab wrote...
-you create a 1 currency unit bill.

-it costs a set amount of money to make it.


This makes no sense.  The cost of making a bill is trivial.

You're obviously talking about some other kind of cost besides physically manufacturing the bill, but you're not saying what that cost is. What is the cost, and who is it paid to?

-but in the end, after making the bill all debt generated making it, and in some cases(like US) who got a federal bank. The total cost of the 1 currency of the money amounts to being greater than what the legal tender is worth.
international average being aprox 7%.


What debt? Generated how? That sentence doesn't even make sense; there's something missing from the clause about federal banks.

As for the "total cost," total cost to who? A central bank can print its own money any time it damn well pleases. Whether it should or not is another matter, but they don't have to pay anyone for the right to do so. That's kind of the point of having a central bank.

Modifié par AlanC9, 29 avril 2012 - 07:01 .