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[Menagra]

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.

Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

I think it's hard over the internet because there's no influction of voice to tell you what a person is conveying. I have had strong oppinions on the games, and yet I never mean to convey my ideas in a way that isn't polite. I honestly feel bad about it sometimes, because I think you guys are so awesome. I think that some fans were so incredibly cruel to you guys (especially jessica hepler) and I am actually happy you edited some of their negativity out -- but I think people started getting the feeling that you were doing more than protect the forumn environment: that you were editing out our oppinions too.

Having a moderator respond in post and talk to us in a nice way is great becasue it breaks that barrier, however making a harsh comment that seems you never intend to respond to us or hear back from us can make things appear incredibly hostile. I think we're allowed oppinions, and hearing quotes like "gamers should stop acting like producers" can be just plain disheartening for fans like myself who have followed Bioware since Baldur's Gate.

On a side note, can you guys have another fan art contest for E3? I really liked that last year. That said I am kind of sad about the "spam" rule since it seemed people participated in uploading their fan art a lot more often before that rule.

Excited for Extended DLC

[Menagra]

I think that now we're talking about this issue of experiences with ME3 and the responses people should watch this video on trolling:



I think that it's so easy to forget that there's people on the other side of these comments. I know in the thralls of my upset with the ME3 ending I started spouting conspiracy theories like the next guy, but I actually think what I learned from this experience is to not let the anonymity of the internet give me permission to say things I wouldn't say in person. Hostility on both sides hasn't helped anything.

Just something to think about.

[Keyrlis]

infraredman wrote...

I think that now we're talking about this issue of experiences with ME3 and the responses people should watch this video on trolling:



I think that it's so easy to forget that there's people on the other side of these comments. I know in the thralls of my upset with the ME3 ending I started spouting conspiracy theories like the next guy, but I actually think what I learned from this experience is to not let the anonymity of the internet give me permission to say things I wouldn't say in person. Hostility on both sides hasn't helped anything.

Just something to think about.

#turnMEoff see you Monday.

[darkiddd]

simfamSP wrote...

Yes it has... until I buy a new BioWare game that is. These forums always do that. I remember that I liked DA2. Then when on the forums, my opinion shifted so far that I ended up hating it. Then I go and replay and end up loving it.

When your around negativity for that long it's bound to have a negative effect on you. Right now I'm apathetic with everything BioWare. Once I get my grubby hands on the EC I'll say "what the hell was I thinking?"

And then a new game is released...and the cycle continues.

I didn't need the forums to realise how bad the ending of ME3 was. 

I mean the more I thought (and think) about it the less sense it made so I became more and more sad, outraged, and cheated. Even now, a month after beating the game, I keep wondering how they could create such an amazing story and universe with incredible characters you could relate to and then destroy everything with that thing called ending that contradicts everything Mass Effect was.

So imagine Bioware releases a new franchise. Would I be capable of buying these games and involve myself again with a story and its characters? What if my dreams are crushed again with the ending?

The truth is I can't trust Bioware for now with another franchise because if I bought these games and the ending of said franchise was like the one of Mass Effect and crushed my soul again then I would have done it to myself for trusting them when they hadn't really shown any sign to do it. 

The only reason I'm still in the forums is because I still have a bit of hope that tells me they can still save Mass Effect fixing the ending though I don't know how they are going to achieve that when the only thing they are doing is to expand on it and not change it. But anyway I trust they can sort this out.

If the expanded ending of Mass Effect 3 satisfies me and saves this franchise to my eyes then MAYBE I'll trust them again and buy their games, IF they do not fix the ending then this will be confirmed as the greatest disappointment in my life. In a way greatest than the girlfriend I so loved and left me when I was 17.

If this happens I won't buy their games ever again because yes, I had with them marvellous moments I'll always remember, but the way things ended for now with Mass Effect has completely obliterated those moments and has hurted me to the infinite as the way things ended in my relationship with that ex girlfriend obliterated the great moments I had with her. 

[WaffleCrab]

AlanC9 wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...
-you create a 1 currency unit bill.

-it costs a set amount of money to make it.

This makes no sense.  The cost of making a bill is trivial.

You're obviously talking about some other kind of cost besides physically manufacturing the bill, but you're not saying what that cost is. What is the cost, and who is it paid to?

-but in the end, after making the bill all debt generated making it, and in some cases(like US) who got a federal bank. The total cost of the 1 currency of the money amounts to being greater than what the legal tender is worth.
international average being aprox 7%.

What debt? Generated how? That sentence doesn't even make sense; there's something missing from the clause about federal banks.

As for the "total cost," total cost to who? A central bank can print its own money any time it damn well pleases. Whether it should or not is another matter, but they don't have to pay anyone for the right to do so. That's kind of the point of having a central bank.

Gues i didnt go slow enough for you, The value of the money itself, is less than the labour used to create it, and since it has to represent the finite resources of the country. but as you said they print it when they want it = no longer represents the finite resources. The value of the bill, ends up being less than the value of the things it is tied to and used to create it. Hence generating debt. But hey, please, if you insist on continuing this since you can just google this or ask your banker, PM me instead of continuing the off topic post chain. I dont garantee i will reply though, since your beyond my help to explain it.

Edit: Central banks cant go printing money as they please. they learned that the hardway after WW1 in germany. and later in some african country i dont remember the name of it. And yes, they need to pay for printing it, each time they print more. the money loses value(unless they destroy the same amount of those bills/coins but even then they still generate a marginal debt).

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 29 avril 2012 - 12:37 .

[WaffleCrab]

what it comes to conspiracy theories, i doubt bioware would have intentionally created the ques for indoctrination theory or hallucination, If they did, they would have been more obvious. but if for some reason they meant it(waiting for EC and see if they truly meant it) and they are assuming every customer is a god damn detective in their own right, i would have to call that the worst dick move in the history of gaming. And it would have a large negative impact on my future decision on wether or not to shovel money at BW or not.

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 29 avril 2012 - 12:37 .

[Trickybam]

There was a time when any game if it was Mass Effect, Dragon Age or Simply from Bioware I would buy, but not anymore. in future i will wait for both reviews and Customer feedback. 
I dont know if its Bioware or EA but i feel they have made some poor moves in recent games potentialy spoiling great franchise.

Modifié par Trickybam, 29 avril 2012 - 01:29 .

[Eralrik]

In a long line of products that I've purchased from Bioware and I've been computer gaming since 1989, fell in love with a couple of games that were on Prodigy and GEnie called Air Warrior and EGA Multiplayer Battletech 3025.

When Bioware came out with this game called Shattered Steel I bought it cause I love Mech combat and to this day I wish Bioware would do a Sequel to Shattered Steel using todays technology that sequel would rock!
<Hey Chris think you could I don't know nudge for a possible sequel.  :innocent:  I'd be eternly grateful)

That was the first game I bought from this company and have purchased every game from them since and everytime I play a new game from them I am in awe and eagerly await a new game to immerse myself in. I really enjoyed Planescape Torment I think that is probably on my all time favorites list as well as Baldur's Gate and Jade Empire.

I should state that I've purchased all the games they made for the computer as I don't own any consoles other than my old Atari 2600 - Pitfall anyone!

While I've immensly enjoyed all of Bioware's products and I realize that Bioware has people from Mythic which I loved most of Mythic's game heck I played Dark Age of Camelot for almost 8 years, that Bioware messed up on an ending to a beloved series ending by useing an redifining the ending from Deus Ex Human Revolution and taking the 4th option and placing it in all 3 option's seems more of a copout than actualy trying to put together true ending's that mattered.

I'm not gonna fault Bioware Group for one bad ending but the thrill of the series died with that ending and I've had no intrest in even clicking on the icon's to start up a game, until such a time I decide to come back an try them out to see if they got it right in DLC or if it's to much for them to MAN UP to a mistake an bringout the true endings to finish the game.

With that said, Bioware has a chance to improve on the story, At the point of being knocked unconscious the entire sequence played out on the citadel is Harbinger invading Shepards unconsios state and the boss battle begins, then additional DLC for the year they have planned up to the final DLC that brings out the historic endings, thus making ME3 one of the most memorable games to ever get made and talked about for years to come. If this was the case I'd buy up every DLC that came out for ME3 just to feel the push to the final battle with the ultimate Reaper that is hiding in the background and here we thought Harbinger was the epic boss, there's always LT's working for the main boss guy who doesn't show till then end.

Where we go from here is only truly up to the Bioware Group!

Modifié par Eralrik, 29 avril 2012 - 04:01 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

The mods here are increasing my frustration level.  The juvenile manners in which they do things makes me sick, it's pathetic.

I enjoy discussing ME3 and everything, but it aggrivating to think the mods get a rise out of their job AND make it public.

If I could report THEM...I would.

Modifié par Dude_in_the_Room, 29 avril 2012 - 07:00 .

[Impulse and Compulse]

Mass Effect 1 was a masterpiece of writing that was more gripping than any book I've ever read or any movie I've ever watched.

Mass Effect 2 had some weird story elements but managed to hold the plot together and had a lot of strong personal moments with your squadmates.

Mass Effect 3 has a cheesy story filled with plotholes, and fewer squadmates which you have even less dialogue with.

Bioware is on a decline.

[leafyFresh]

When I finished me3 and learned that that was the only ending, I was devastated. At least when I checked the internet / forums here I learned that I was not alone, and I felt a little better.

[Link Ashland 614]

For me, it was just the fans' negativity. ME3 is perfect for me.

So, there's nothing you can do to help me. Unless you have a device for mind control.

[Deepo78]

 The ending bothered me quite a bit. Sadly, I won't be pre-ordering any more Bioware products and my post street date purchases will be made after consulting user reviews.

The Bioware forums on the other hand have been quite a positive experience for me in the wake of the ending debacle. It opened my eyes a bit about the scope of this thing. Although it hurts my heart to see the legacy of Mass Effect twisting in the wind like this, this is kind of a pivotal moment in gaming history.   

[Babi_Siha]

My experience with ME3 was even worse than DAII. The game felt rushed, had totally lame side quests, seriously, anyone enjoyed probing planets to get assets and bringing them back to the Citadel? Not to mention the new characters, James was the typical bulky dumb and everyone knows why Cortez and Traynor were there. MP wasn't completely awful as I as expecting, but still it took budget of the single player campaign and we all know the horrible results. And the endings, needless to say I felt completely cheated, the devs said that our choices would matter and they didn't, we were lied to. But what pissed me off more than anything was the treatment the charactes from ME2 got, they spent their budget on new characters to make new players feel more familiar with the game when they should've spent the money to bring back old characters as squads.

People from this forum are angry and they have every right to be. First we have the big fail that was DAII and rather than try and redeem itself, BW actually dug a deeper grave. I completely lost faith in the company and more than never I believe nothing good will ever come out of it, but then again, that's what we should expect from a sell out like Bioware.

Sorry for the angry post, but this is what my previously wonderful experience has turned into.

[AlanC9]

Missed this; glad the thread got bumped.

WaffleCrab wrote...

Gues i didnt go slow enough for you, The value of the money itself, is less than the labour used to create it, and since it has to represent the finite resources of the country. but as you said they print it when they want it = no longer represents the finite resources. The value of the bill, ends up being less than the value of the things it is tied to and used to create it.

The labor used to create it? Oh, god.... if we're using the labor theory of value here I'm going to just start giggling.

Edit: Yikes, that looks snarky. I meant that I'd be laughing at myself, since I really should have seen this one coming.

Edit: Central banks cant go printing money as they please. they learned that the hardway after WW1 in germany. and later in some african country i dont remember the name of it. And yes, they need to pay for printing it, each time they print more. the money loses value(unless they destroy the same amount of those bills/coins but even then they still generate a marginal debt).

Sure, there are constraints. I said that there were constraints. (I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Zimbabwe, BTW). Doesn't mean you can't accept a certain level of inflation.

And yep,  the money loses value if you grow the money supply past .... but let's not get technical. If your currency is inflating and your debts are denominated in your own currency, that's not a problem for you. It's a problem for whichever suckers are holding your bonds.

Modifié par AlanC9, 30 avril 2012 - 04:25 .

[WaffleCrab]

AlanC9 wrote...


Something i asked him to PM me about since its an offtopic post chain.

so for ignoring my request, i will give him the same courtesy and just ignore him

have a nice day.

Edit: For the record, you can google all that **** or ask your banker, gues your still too damn lazy.

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 30 avril 2012 - 09:56 .

[WaffleCrab]

Babi_Siha wrote...

My experience with ME3 was even worse than DAII. The game felt rushed, had totally lame side quests, seriously, anyone enjoyed probing planets to get assets and bringing them back to the Citadel? Not to mention the new characters, James was the typical bulky dumb and everyone knows why Cortez and Traynor were there. MP wasn't completely awful as I as expecting, but still it took budget of the single player campaign and we all know the horrible results. And the endings, needless to say I felt completely cheated, the devs said that our choices would matter and they didn't, we were lied to. But what pissed me off more than anything was the treatment the charactes from ME2 got, they spent their budget on new characters to make new players feel more familiar with the game when they should've spent the money to bring back old characters as squads.

People from this forum are angry and they have every right to be. First we have the big fail that was DAII and rather than try and redeem itself, BW actually dug a deeper grave. I completely lost faith in the company and more than never I believe nothing good will ever come out of it, but then again, that's what we should expect from a sell out like Bioware.

Sorry for the angry post, but this is what my previously wonderful experience has turned into.

yeah it was kinda sad to see how 80% of the game revolved around you scanning or running around the citadel :S

I mean the first game had a **** ton of exploration in it also, but hey atleast that was actual exploration xD not shooting probes at Uranus.

[Snarf0159]

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Would lov too see all my m1 and m2 choices and esp m3 choices hav an effect on the ending.

[b]Will be more than willing too pay half the current games prices for an expansion pack or mass effect realism mod that will give non linear game missions (meaning if i did x i will get y missin and if i did z i will get r mission which exludes y mission ) and rewrite the ending of m3 too include all my decisions that i made during the game and give it DIFFERENT endings. Aswell as letting the war assets and galaxy map work as it should as a SINGLE PLAYER strategic view that relates to missions that yu do in the relevant sectors and assets yu acquire in that sector and let us see those war assets in action during the final mission......

Without the above I will not buy any games from bioware and close my account.

Modifié par Snarf0159, 30 avril 2012 - 10:35 .

[SalsaDMA]

WaffleCrab wrote...

shooting probes at Uranus.

Now you reminded me of some horrible jokes...

[ShadowBrumby]

Future ME releases? I was under the assumption that it was going to be a trilogy or so the videos stated before the game was released. I have no problems with anymore releases, so long as the stories have logical conclusions that don't make any of the characters act out of their defined personality. It's one thing to be artistic but it is completely another when it betrays the characters and the lore of a universe that has been created. In the end it's either compromise artistic vision or comprise the art, the universe that' has been given a lot of time and care to create.

Modifié par ShadowBrumby, 30 avril 2012 - 12:10 .

[Keyrlis]

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

For me, it was just the fans' negativity. ME3 is perfect for me.

So, there's nothing you can do to help me. Unless you have a device for mind control.

They do, it's Ed Bernay's concept: Engineering of Consent.
Look it up and consider the PR noise you've been hearing from them.

[Krunjar]

Aye it is a trilogy and that's over but theres no reason why a new one can't be started using the same "Universe".

[abaris]

WaffleCrab wrote...

what it comes to conspiracy theories, i doubt bioware would have intentionally created the ques for indoctrination theory or hallucination, If they did, they would have been more obvious.

My guess is, we didn't see the real ending they had in mind. Chances are, this is indeed a rushjob tacked on with duct tape and superglue that originally was intended as the beginning of the end. But then the gods of beancounting made their appearance.