376 réponses à ce sujet

[Nwalmenil]

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.

Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

Maybe a more active stance against spoilers in the non spoiler forums. I haven't had any problems with the staff
But a lot of posters tend to leak spoilers when they for instance talk about the ending. Even if they don't even mean to. It'd be nice if threads where this is happening would be moved to the story forums  for instance.

(posting from my phone, in case the formatting looks off)

[ZombifiedJake]

Mass Effect was my introduction to Bioware.

And that most likely ends my relationship with them. So no big loss.

[WaffleCrab]

simfamSP wrote...

Yes it has... until I buy a new BioWare game that is. These forums always do that. I remember that I liked DA2. Then when on the forums, my opinion shifted so far that I ended up hating it. Then I go and replay and end up loving it.

When your around negativity for that long it's bound to have a negative effect on you. Right now I'm apathetic with everything BioWare. Once I get my grubby hands on the EC I'll say "what the hell was I thinking?"

And then a new game is released...and the cycle continues.

heh, for me the game was something that made me come to the forums in the first place. more specificly the numerous glitches and bugs and constraints emposed on the PC players because of the game being a port.

[Almighty_Hoogs]

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.

Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

(1)Calm the fans down. There's too much hate in both camps (pro and anti-enders)
(2)Answers to why the game was promised certain things,but wasn't in the game

[Fireblader70]

simfamSP wrote...

Yes it has... until I buy a new BioWare game that is. These forums always do that. I remember that I liked DA2. Then when on the forums, my opinion shifted so far that I ended up hating it. Then I go and replay and end up loving it.

When your around negativity for that long it's bound to have a negative effect on you. Right now I'm apathetic with everything BioWare. Once I get my grubby hands on the EC I'll say "what the hell was I thinking?"

And then a new game is released...and the cycle continues.

I know how you feel...

This time, however, I'm sticking to my guns. I thoroughly enjoyed 'Mass Effect 3' (bar the ending) and no forum poster is going to take that from me.

[WaffleCrab]

simfamSP wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Yes it has... until I buy a new BioWare game that is. These forums always do that. I remember that I liked DA2. Then when on the forums, my opinion shifted so far that I ended up hating it. Then I go and replay and end up loving it.

When your around negativity for that long it's bound to have a negative effect on you. Right now I'm apathetic with everything BioWare. Once I get my grubby hands on the EC I'll say "what the hell was I thinking?"

And then a new game is released...and the cycle continues.

heh, for me the game was something that made me come to the forums in the first place. more specificly the numerous glitches and bugs and constraints emposed on the PC players because of the game being a port.

ME3 or DA2?

I love DA2, but it doesn't make me oblivious to it's flaws hehe. And as for ME3? I only came across glitches, minor things, nothing gamebreaking. That's why I never complained.

The face import thing is a big problem though...but I just went with the default and still loved it

Actually ME2 and ME3. But mainly ME3 Being a PC gamer i am having difficulties swallowing down scenes like this; Your team mate is down at an activation objective which happens to be in between 2 covers. Gues how the game playes out when you got cover, cover roll, revive and activate in the same key, I have had that a couple of times, just one of many things(Among glitches and bugs, some of them breaking the MP or SP for me) that enfuriate me from time to time, well untill i take that shot of Old St. Andrews

oh and for the record, the scene i mentioned there, i ended up cover rolling for 10 seconds and my mate bled out, i was the last one standing, with 3 pyros and numerous troopers staring me down xD

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 25 avril 2012 - 05:34 .

[ckriley]

WaffleCrab wrote...

ckriley wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

I've learned from these forums never to trust a user review for a game. Also learned that a ending is more important then the game itself. That and somehow this game is able to give more then half of its players PTSD.

This is exactly how I feel.  I actually made a thread on this yesterday, but not surprisingly it was locked because this community couldn't control themselves and started bickering.  The ME3 forums have made me lose complete respect for the BW community.  After playing ME3, I can honestly say the posters here have zero credibility to me.

It's one thing to dislike a game.  It won't be everyone.  I get that.  But the sheer amount of hate and negativity was just way, way, way over the top.

Well people come and vent on the forums, i know i did that a couple of times already. As there is no other outlet for us consumers to complain about the possible faults/glitches/cheating in the game. Considering the origin report system is pure carbage, when playing ME3 your forced to alt tab to desktop, open your browser and wade through the EA help center to file a cheating report. and if the cheater has a complex name, chances are you dont remember it (average people remember 5-7 mixed numbers/symbols with a glance) and the cheater in question realizes whats going on when he sees an afk guy. and leaves or closes the game.(funny fact, EA finlands page isnt shown properly with origins overlay web browser.

But that's just it.  You had one specific thing that you were really concerned about or didn't like.  And it's legit.  But it only pertains to one part of the game, which in your case seems to be multiplayer.  I mean, I'm sure you have other concerns, but the overall point is, people are letting one thing that they are upset about become the linchpin for an entire mountain of hatred heaped on the game as a whole.

It's really turned me off to this community.  But I guess I shouldn't have been surprised considering how utterly unreadable the TORchan forums are.

[-Spartan]

Kushan101 wrote...

I've learned not to trust a game to be good just because the developer made good games in the past.

I've definitely learned not to trust professional critics. Go to metacritic and look at the "professional" reviews and the user reviews, you'll notice a massive difference.

Don't believe a developer when they tell you that "your opinion matters and we are listening" until they actually prove it.

There is the rub. BW used to mean it. Since the EA merger it seems to have lost its soul.

[prazision]

Chris Priestly wrote...
To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

Answer simple questions, such as "Why is there no option to install any game data to the HDD in the PS3 version of ME3, when every previous BioWare game for PS3 had large installations which greatly helped alleviate the strain on the PS3's blu-ray drive?"

[thunderhawk862002]

ckriley wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

ckriley wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

I've learned from these forums never to trust a user review for a game. Also learned that a ending is more important then the game itself. That and somehow this game is able to give more then half of its players PTSD.

This is exactly how I feel.  I actually made a thread on this yesterday, but not surprisingly it was locked because this community couldn't control themselves and started bickering.  The ME3 forums have made me lose complete respect for the BW community.  After playing ME3, I can honestly say the posters here have zero credibility to me.

It's one thing to dislike a game.  It won't be everyone.  I get that.  But the sheer amount of hate and negativity was just way, way, way over the top.

Well people come and vent on the forums, i know i did that a couple of times already. As there is no other outlet for us consumers to complain about the possible faults/glitches/cheating in the game. Considering the origin report system is pure carbage, when playing ME3 your forced to alt tab to desktop, open your browser and wade through the EA help center to file a cheating report. and if the cheater has a complex name, chances are you dont remember it (average people remember 5-7 mixed numbers/symbols with a glance) and the cheater in question realizes whats going on when he sees an afk guy. and leaves or closes the game.(funny fact, EA finlands page isnt shown properly with origins overlay web browser.

But that's just it.  You had one specific thing that you were really concerned about or didn't like.  And it's legit.  But it only pertains to one part of the game, which in your case seems to be multiplayer.  I mean, I'm sure you have other concerns, but the overall point is, people are letting one thing that they are upset about become the linchpin for an entire mountain of hatred heaped on the game as a whole.

It's really turned me off to this community.  But I guess I shouldn't have been surprised considering how utterly unreadable the TORchan forums are.

For me the intitial outrage was the ending.  That was my one specific thing that I hated... initially.  As the experience sunk in I realized how many other things I missed or glanced over that I had a problem with.  The stream lining of choices, auto dialogue, journal system, the number of overheard quests, lack of explorable areas, loss of all of your ME2 squadmates, the disproportinate number of relationships based on sex and orientation, Daina Allers inclusion over Wong, and needing MP the access all of the endings.  Not to mention the face import problems and Day 1 DLC.

Had there been a superb ending I probably would have never been bothered by most of these, and now they are just fuel to the fire.  A great ending can hide deficiencies, a poor ending exposes them.

[WaffleCrab]

ckriley wrote...


]But that's just it.  You had one specific thing that you were really concerned about or didn't like.  And it's legit.  But it only pertains to one part of the game, which in your case seems to be multiplayer.  I mean, I'm sure you have other concerns, but the overall point is, people are letting one thing that they are upset about become the linchpin for an entire mountain of hatred heaped on the game as a whole.

It's really turned me off to this community.  But I guess I shouldn't have been surprised considering how utterly unreadable the TORchan forums are.

Ok ill list top 10 reasons(in no specific order) for my disappointment, Trust me, not just MP.

#1. Broken promises, The ending isnt alone here, its also the autodialogs and some parts of the game where your not given an option, or the options given end up negating all you had worked for in the trilogy, And the stuff thats missing but was hinted to in the earlier parts of the trilogy.

#2. The random glitches in SP; just to point out a few, the hanar diplomat side quest, Falling inside the normandy(killed me once o_O) which can get you stuck sometimes while talking to an NPC. Exploration glitches, most annoying being the one where when you press resume after reapers catch you, your level is reset to 1, your money is 0 and fuel is 0. especially annoying when the last working non corrupted save point is 2 hours or more behind.(happened to me only twice so far but both times killed the mood totally).

#3. Support/ticket system

#4. Store glitches.

#5. The do it all key and no choice to split it for PC users.

#6. MP "non game breaking glitches" that still force your whole team to leave the mission or force them to suicide, i am listing these because they are lower in the fix queue most likely, And thus less likely to see a fix.

#7. Poor communication options.

#.8 No latency/ping estimation/indication, so your forced to estimate your own latency to host by checking the delay on how fast your vote for vote kicking the host goes through(sometimes ends up with hilarious results when all 3 others than host decide to use that test method at the same moment)

#9. Cheating in MP and how easy it is.

#10. Gimped aiming in both SP and MP, you often see (especially with GPS and other slower projectile weapons) that the projectile goes off of your aiming reticule in an up/right or up/left 45 degree angle. Though it looks hilarious xD watching the GPS triple shot leaving the barrel and landing 10-15 meters from where you aimed it at. I dont know if it is a glitch, or a connection issue as it can happen in SP and MP or is it an animation error. as you can see the enemy stagger, but take no damage o_O

Edit: IF i would have to boil down all the reasons from ME2 and ME3 for me coming to the forums; Rushed feel for both games, though not as bad with me2, i loved that game. played through 29 times

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 25 avril 2012 - 05:57 .

[Sundance31us]

Prior to ME3 my view of BW leaned neutral with positive leanings, now it's positive with the occasional neutral leaning.

[Kub666]

Chris Priestly wrote...
To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

You can't be serious. Is this the same "we're listening but don't really care what you're saying" tactic again?

My experience here would be greatly improved if Bioware representatives would start actually answering people's questions and addressing reported issues, instead of being condescending or just ignoring the fanbase. Being community manager does not mean your job is to alienate this community.

I get the impression that mods / devs / PR guys at Bioware tend to treat their customers as spoiled brats or just annoying silly kids. This is not a good tactic in a business where average age of your customers is 30-35. I could say the same about your pals from IGN, but at least I did not buy any product from them.

[bryan12112]

The pre-release hype is what has tainted BioWare's image the most for me. It's one thing to create a game that is disappointing, or disappointing in some ways. I think people can live with that. Making great games is not easy. It's another thing entirely to mislead your fanbase. I was not mislead too much, since I was on a complete media blackout prior to playing, but I was surprised by that one thread here that compiled many of the pre-release BioWare quotes. Some of the things said were misleading or just flat out lies. The fan backlash is understandable, and BioWare has not handled it well.

Modifié par bryan12112, 25 avril 2012 - 06:04 .

[-Spartan]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

ckriley wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

ckriley wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

I've learned from these forums never to trust a user review for a game. Also learned that a ending is more important then the game itself. That and somehow this game is able to give more then half of its players PTSD.

This is exactly how I feel.  I actually made a thread on this yesterday, but not surprisingly it was locked because this community couldn't control themselves and started bickering.  The ME3 forums have made me lose complete respect for the BW community.  After playing ME3, I can honestly say the posters here have zero credibility to me.

It's one thing to dislike a game.  It won't be everyone.  I get that.  But the sheer amount of hate and negativity was just way, way, way over the top.

Well people come and vent on the forums, i know i did that a couple of times already. As there is no other outlet for us consumers to complain about the possible faults/glitches/cheating in the game. Considering the origin report system is pure carbage, when playing ME3 your forced to alt tab to desktop, open your browser and wade through the EA help center to file a cheating report. and if the cheater has a complex name, chances are you dont remember it (average people remember 5-7 mixed numbers/symbols with a glance) and the cheater in question realizes whats going on when he sees an afk guy. and leaves or closes the game.(funny fact, EA finlands page isnt shown properly with origins overlay web browser.

But that's just it.  You had one specific thing that you were really concerned about or didn't like.  And it's legit.  But it only pertains to one part of the game, which in your case seems to be multiplayer.  I mean, I'm sure you have other concerns, but the overall point is, people are letting one thing that they are upset about become the linchpin for an entire mountain of hatred heaped on the game as a whole.

It's really turned me off to this community.  But I guess I shouldn't have been surprised considering how utterly unreadable the TORchan forums are.

For me the intitial outrage was the ending.  That was my one specific thing that I hated... initially.  As the experience sunk in I realized how many other things I missed or glanced over that I had a problem with.  The stream lining of choices, auto dialogue, journal system, the number of overheard quests, lack of explorable areas, loss of all of your ME2 squadmates, the disproportinate number of relationships based on sex and orientation, Daina Allers inclusion over Wong, and needing MP the access all of the endings.  Not to mention the face import problems and Day 1 DLC.

Had there been a superb ending I probably would have never been bothered by most of these, and now they are just fuel to the fire.  A great ending can hide deficiencies, a poor ending exposes them.

Those are just some of the smaller issues that the "pro-enders" dont consider when posting their comments. Most of the people in protest were perfectly willing to overlook much of that in general and wait for patches but given the ending was so bad all of that stuff combined could not hold a candle to it. Sadly some people will never understand.... 

[Kushan101]

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.

Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

Mr. Priestly, you've just hit the nail on the head: communication. I honestly think that if the people here genuinely thought that BW was listening to them, than the situation wouldn't be what it has become.

There was far too much PR bullsh*t and no genuine discussion with the fanbase. All the major announcements that did come from BW seemed to want to give a slight dig to those dissatisfied with the ending, such as citing how many "perfect" scores ME3 got - like we have no idea what we are talking about, so our opinions are lesser to "professional" critics.

I well aware this isn't exactly your problem, its down to the management. You patrol this place, but hell: you asked

[Wulfram]

I was annoyed by some of the things posted by Bioware staff that seem to have been misleading, even if not technically false. For example, dismissing peoples concerns over the lack of dialogue choice and lack of middle options in the demo, when the demo in fact turned out to be well reflective of the actual game. It means I'll be less likely to trust what I'm told about future games, and may have cost some goodwill towards the company.

I also found it necessary to take a quick break from the forums to stop being obsessed with the ending and enjoy the rest of the game.

Modifié par Wulfram, 25 avril 2012 - 06:08 .

[Raizo]

Yes my experience with ME3 has affected my attitude to Bioware and whether or not I will purchase anything from them in the future.

I own and have played 6 Bioware games; Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3, Dragons Age:Origins, Dragons Age: Awakening and Dragons Age 2. Out of those 6 games there is only one game in that list that I enjoy playing, ME2 ( well I used to enjoy, can't bring myself to play it again at the moment due to my disappointment with ME3 ). To be blunt, it's not a very good track record when it comes to me personal tastes.

[Mark of the Dragon]

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.

Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

Do not just ignore threads that people obviously want some kind of confirmation on. Eve nif you cannot give an answer to their question drop into the thread and let them know you are listening. For example the PS3 framerate thread in the PS3 technical support part of the forum. When it was first posted you said the problem was being investigated and since then we Playstation gamers have got nothing. It is just nice to know if you guys are still investigating a problem or if you just cannot fix it that way people can stop waiting around.
Anyway yea that is my only problem.

[xsdob]

No...it affected my outlook on having fandoms and devoted fans, and on the psychology of emotional interpretation.

But I'm already over that. Now I just like to come here, watch the boards burn, throw some gas on the fire from time to time, respond to positive threads with somewhat positive humor, and watch out for the twitter update thread here in the general discussion.