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[Kristofer1]

 Not my opinion of Bioware, howver it reinforced my opinion of EA. I still despise EA, and despise EA even more.
I have hope of a Bioware EA split, similar to Bungie and Microsoft.
I am very interested to see what happens to the series from here. I pray this movie thing is a lie. If anything a miniseries on HBO would be the way to go.
Anyway, I hated ME3 ending, I hated the way quests went, and I no longer desire to play it. I enjoy MP too much. I will most likely get involved in the next aspect of the series. I enjoyed the games and hope to cintune enjoying the games.

[The Spamming Troll]

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.

Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

hire me.

[StElmo]

Bioware and EA have done that.

[Khayness]

Chris Priestly wrote...

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

The Dragon Age team is really active, they cared enough about their game so much that they even faced the rage after DA2. We had our fair share of legitimate criticism, they responded and showed that they acknowledge them.

All I see here is silence, which doesn't help. PR talk, you and Mr. Woo doing moderator stuff, but no answers to our questions. Only Soon™. The closest we had was an unofficial Patrick Weekes interview.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Kub666 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

The reaction towards Bioware and ME3 from "lots" of gamers has greatly effected my respect for the gaming community....in a negative way.

If you've seen any of my posts you know what I"m talking about since I've complained about it more than once.

All in all.....some of what has happened is quite pathetic....and no, it's not mainly the death threats etc.  That sort of thing is in a league of it's own.

The thing is what you think about gaming community does not matter. What matters is that this gaming community is buying products they sell. So if Bioware treats their customers like punks, they will just lose them in the future. 

Also, next time you buy a product that does not meet your expectations please do not complain or write reviews on Amazon to warn other potential customers, that would be so pathetic. 

This holier than thou attitude is really annoying.

I'm not quite sure if you're just trying to pick a fight, but this is sorta what I'm talking about.

So many gamers either are too young or too naive to understand how things really work.  This "They treat us bad?  Then we just won't buy their games and that'll teach'em" attitude isn't happening.

I'll say it again b/c it's important to me:

People bought ME2 > lots complained about it being dumbed down > lots of ppl bought DA2 > lots complained that it just plain sucked > even more ppl bought ME3 > "everybody" complained about EAware > then tons of ppl said they would buy a DLC for the ending.

Then theres the COD argument.  Tons of ppl claim to hate COD for being a rehash every year.  YET it sells tons every year.

I know my opinion on the gaming community isn't important.....the fact that you think I think that is juvenile.  I was asked a question and I gave an answer.  That doesn't mean I'm wrong.

There are 2 things to think about given whats going on:

1) The ppl hating these games are the minority and don't know it.

2) The gaming community has little to know backbone and overreacts and isn't worth the respect it wants.
Look at the L4D2 boycott......now look at how popular it is/was.

I like to belive it's a combo of both, but....

It's the same old crap all the time.  Gamers **** and moan and then cave when it comes time to "vote".  So this "consumerism" thats suppose to take care of things isn't working. 

Just for the record I try and do what I preach.  I like ME2 and what I've played of ME3 so I don't count in that regard.  i also enjoy COD (sp) but I don't buy them every year for $60 a pop b/c I'm not an idiot....or die hard COD fan which isn not a negative.

Modifié par Dude_in_the_Room, 25 avril 2012 - 11:34 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Khayness wrote...

The closest we had was an unofficial Patrick Weekes interview.

Which people actually appreciated. What he said wasn't really pleasant, but it was something (besides lots of PR talk or silence).

[_aLucidMind_]

Chris Priestly wrote...

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

Only a few things:

BioWare
On forums, it would be nice to be spoken to by you all as people rather than as a company when it comes to the feedback. Maybe even if they would shed some insight into misconceptions within the industry when a thread on it comes up as opposed to simply locking it down. Having a real response on your personal views might make things go over a lot more smoothly when you lock a thread and possibly reduce the number of "HeLockedThread!!!!" spam-rage threads.

Also, make sure Hudson doesn't lock out fellow team members so he can do something on his own for the game. It does not matter if has another lead with him at all; Hudson and Walters should not have been the only two writing the ending. Because of Hudson's actions, I am judging him seperately from BioWare but anything you guys make is temporarily on my "buy used only" list while anything Hudson touches is in consideration to being permanantly on that little black list of mine unless this was merely a one-time thing and can be proven in subsequent releases. I'm very forgiving, but I'm also very harsh when it comes to what comes after losing my trust. The only reason I'm not judging Walters alongside Hudson is because I am giving him the benefit of the doubt by judging him alongside BioWare as a whole; while his writing prior to the ending came very short of my expectations from ME1 and 2, I still enjoyed the writing.

Fellow Posters
It really gets on my nerves, the whole "my side vs your side" thing. Both sides need to be more civil and open-minded towards each other. The whole "their side/my side" thing really needs to stop because it just breeds hostility. It would also be good if posters ignore members they feel are trolls and to just PM a moderator, informing them (read my sig) when those people are behaving troll-ish or just being unnecessarily hostile.

BSN Site
Change the registration from having to have played it online to how it used to be or something easier for those not wanting to make a new account in the email that their XBL/PSN/Origin-PC account uses. Instead of requiring registration, why not make it a requirement to enter your password again upon trying to enter the spoiler section? Sort of a contract in a way ("Why did you sign if you don't agree!?" kind of thing).

Modifié par _aLucidMind_, 25 avril 2012 - 11:48 .

[hc00]

DA2 was crap compared to DA:O. ME 3 was crap compared to ME 2, which was crap compared to ME 1.

I sense a trend... Yes it has effected my views on Bioware and thier future games. But I know they have it in them to make good games, even if all thier recent ones have been dismal, so I wont abandon them just yet.

[feliciano2040]

hc00 wrote...

ME 3 was crap compared to ME 2, which was crap compared to ME 1.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!

Please, keep going !

[Kylar616]

nope, still gonna buy bioware games. All the forum rage doesnt bother me, you get people/reactions like that in real life. May even take a crack at the sonic game they made just because i just found out they made it a few weeks back.

[Atakuma]

_aLucidMind_ wrote...

BioWare
On forums, it would be nice to be spoken to by you all as people rather than as a company when it comes to the feedback. Maybe even if they would shed some insight into misconceptions within the industry when a thread on it comes up as opposed to simply locking it down. Having a real response on your personal views might make things go over a lot more smoothly when you lock a thread and possibly reduce the number of "HeLockedThread!!!!" spam-rage threads.

It's so odd that the dragon age devs are actually sharing their ideas and discussing feedback on the forums and yet The ME team avoid this place like the plague. Some actual interaction would let us know that you guys are still human.

Modifié par Atakuma, 26 avril 2012 - 12:16 .

[hc00]

feliciano2040 wrote...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
Please, keep going !

I dont understand your problem with my statement, it is true.

ME 1 was a fairly standard "manual aim RPG", and as such played well.
ME 2 is a cover based shooter which doesnt function  or control well.
ME 3 exacerbated the problem ME 2 had by having a focus on more mobile enemies, and making you move around more, thus making you deal with the poorly designed covershooting more.

ME 1 the exploration mechanic was reasonable, and enjoyable to perform and it was your choice whether or not to do it.
ME 2 & 3 exploration consists of holding down the right mouse button and is mandatory.

ME 1 the characters and dialogue were reasonable, not great, but there you go.
ME 2 the characters are nauseating  (unless you like hearing some whiney voiced woman repeat the word **** on a loop for a few hundred hours, in which case I admire your durability)
ME 3 all the nauseating characters are back, wahey...

ME 1 choices that make sense.
ME 2 choices that make far less sense.
ME 3 choices that make almost no sense, while being berated for your choices in the last game and then having all choice removed from you at the end.

See where I am going with this.  How can you deny that 1 is better than 2, and that 2 is better than 3?

[OMTING52601]

I've learned that a video game can move me to a real emotional response - I can actually be incredibly saddened by the idea of what could have been but now won't be. I think I cried more when the end credits rolled on the game out of real sadness at how wrong and ill planned it was(and not out of anger) than I did when Mordin sacrificed himself.

To the broader points you asked about:

BW, the company, has no respect, IMO, for it's consumers, which makes me much less likely to direct purchase(as opposed to renting or buying used, let me be clear) their products in future. The way the company belittled complaints, failed to call out some of their biggest advertisers when said advertisers posted what could only be interpreted as hateful and venomous editorials about consumers who were dissatisfied with ME 3, that last bit really soured BW in my estimation. Any company that states they'll only listen if their consumer base is civil, but then fails to demand the same civility from their business partners, truly disdainful.

As far as this board, well, some of the mods seemed happy to allow one group or another(anti-enders or pro-enders) a lot of leeway in being over-the-top disrespectful to each other. And really, I find Mr. Priestly's devilish emoticon offensive - it makes me 'feel' like he's constantly flipping other respondents the middle finger. From what I understand, it isn't his intent(though I only found that out by accident, since it isn't as if he states he doesn't intend to offend) still, when that emoticon shows up in a thread where upset fans/consumers are trying to figure out where the game went wrong, it sends the wrong message, IMO of course. In fact, the speed with which threads were closed in the first few days after release made me shake my head. While I can understand why, and don't fault the mods, from a consumer standpoint, it looked like BW was trying to hide the level of discontent.

I've also realized that despite the claims I've seen to the contrary, the BSN isn't any more rabid anything than any other gaming forum I belong to - obviously the people here are focused on one specific company and its products, but every board I belong to is filled with threads hating on the ME 3 ending, broken up by the occasional topic condemning the haters or, even more rare, actual discussion threads composed of both sides being civil and enjoying good discussion.

tl;dr Yeah, the game, the boards, and BW itself have all caused my opinion of the company to diminish greatly. And EC DLC isn't going to be what changes my mind about BW. It'll take BW doing something 100%, instead of half way, to change that. The thing is, I'm so dissatisfied, I'm not even sure I can offer a suggestion at this point as to what that 100% thing might be. I guess I'll know when I see it. FWIW, YMMV.

[_aLucidMind_]

hc00 wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
Please, keep going !

I dont understand your problem with my statement, it is true.

ME 1 was a fairly standard "manual aim RPG", and as such played well.
ME 2 is a cover based shooter which doesnt function  or control well.
ME 3 exacerbated the problem ME 2 had by having a focus on more mobile enemies, and making you move around more, thus making you deal with the poorly designed covershooting more.

ME 1 the exploration mechanic was reasonable, and enjoyable to perform and it was your choice whether or not to do it.
ME 2 & 3 exploration consists of holding down the right mouse button and is mandatory.

ME 1 the characters and dialogue were reasonable, not great, but there you go.
ME 2 the characters are nauseating  (unless you like hearing some whiney voiced woman repeat the word **** on a loop for a few hundred hours, in which case I admire your durability)
ME 3 all the nauseating characters are back, wahey...

ME 1 choices that make sense.
ME 2 choices that make far less sense.
ME 3 choices that make almost no sense, while being berated for your choices in the last game and then having all choice removed from you at the end.

See where I am going with this.  How can you deny that 1 is better than 2, and that 2 is better than 3?

Easy. This is a subjective opinion; this is all personal preference. Same goes for my view that ME1 and 2 were good in equal, but different ways while ME3 wasn't as good as either one of them. Nobody's opinion is right or wrong on this subject because it all comes down to personal tastes and preferences

Modifié par _aLucidMind_, 26 avril 2012 - 12:36 .

[Black_water]

You want to know what has effected my attitude towards Bioware?

This man

[hc00]

_aLucidMind_ wrote...
Easy. This is a subjective opinion; this is all personal preference. Same goes for my view that ME1 and 2 were good in equal, but different ways while ME3 wasn't as good as either one of them. Nobody's opinion is right or wrong on this subject because it all comes down to personal tastes and preferences

The first two are not subjective.  It is simple fact that the cover shooting does not work well.  If it did, then it would be better than ME 1, purely for being more dynamic and interesting, but it doesnt, so is inferior.  And actually interacting with the game is better than holding down the right mouse button.  You bought a game after all.

The second two are subjective, true.  But Shephard is supposed to be a nonsensical white knight hero, or someone who does what is needed to succeed.  Neither of those tally with filling your ship with worthless mental patients and fishlipped monsters who cant go half a second without mentioning thier father.

As for the choices, that is entirely subjective, and is a problem in all 3 admittedly.  But I personally found the gap between what would have been a good choice, and the choices you were given in game to be far greater in 2 and 3 than in 1.

[Eterna]

I've lost a lot of respect for Bioware's fanbase. They're worse than Star Wars fans.

[Vormaerin]

prazision wrote...

Microsoft doesn't like STEAM. There's your answer!

Selling on Steam is putting money on their competitor's pocket, too.   That's really what is leading to the development of Origin and the other platforms.

Who wants to make a game, then give part of the profits to their rival, as well as strengthening the rival's community?  If Steam was a complete third party app, rather than a part of Valve, it might be more tolerable for other major publishers.

[Black_water]

Eterna5 wrote...

I've lost a lot of respect for Bioware's fanbase. They're worse than Star Wars fans.

Wow, you must DESPISE SWTOR fans

[Remus A]

Kylar616 wrote...

nope, still gonna buy bioware games. All the forum rage doesnt bother me, you get people/reactions like that in real life.

I think it's worse online. 

http://www.penny-arc...omic/2004/03/19 

[vv238email]

Eterna5 wrote...

I've lost a lot of respect for Bioware's fanbase. They're worse than Star Wars fans.

Not sure if trolling, or actually thinks the Han shot second.

[Quarters Alpha]

ckriley wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

I've learned from these forums never to trust a user review for a game. Also learned that a ending is more important then the game itself. That and somehow this game is able to give more then half of its players PTSD.

This is exactly how I feel.  I actually made a thread on this yesterday, but not surprisingly it was locked because this community couldn't control themselves and started bickering.  The ME3 forums have made me lose complete respect for the BW community.  After playing ME3, I can honestly say the posters here have zero credibility to me.

It's one thing to dislike a game.  It won't be everyone.  I get that.  But the sheer amount of hate and negativity was just way, way, way over the top.

Yeah, I have to go with this. I loved ME3, and I still count Bioware as one of my top three companies, but the community has really been insane about all this. Seen some of the ugliest sides of gaming because of it. It's a dang shame. I hate that a game I enjoyed so much is sullied by so much froathing hatred. I mean, I get that some people won't like it, and that's totally cool, some are just really awful in how they express that.

[kingtigernz]

Still have not played Mass Effect 3,but Dragon Age 2 made me doubt future products.That game is the reason I did not pre-order Mass Effect 3 and I'm glad I didn't.The standards have been slipping over the years to the point where I do not personally consider them a good developer any more.I'm also sick of the constant lies,streamlining,DLC policy and content pulling.

Modifié par kingtigernz, 26 avril 2012 - 02:40 .

[Atmosfear3]

I come to realize that just about everything that EA touches is destroyed sooner or later.

I'm done being played for a fool by BW. No longer will I believe their lies and open my wallets to them.

[hc00]

Quarters Alpha wrote...
I get that some people won't like it, and that's totally cool, some are just really awful in how they express that.

It isnt entirely that "Oh some people just hate it".

The ending violates lore in a few hundred different ways.  The events depicted in the ending also dont make sense (ie the crash and your crew is one of the more obvious ones). But also the ending makes the first 2 games nonsensical and pointless.  And the ending espouses entirely different views and such than the entire rest of the series and renders all of your decisions up to that point entirely moot.