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Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.


Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?



:devil:

Probably having moderators who don't intentionally flame bait with their actions might be a good first step. You know that that thread was pretty much one of the few things keeping that drama from blowing up huge right? It gave people a localized place to find all the information and vent and it's a valid complaint/topic about the game's quality as a whole. 

And that's not the first time a lockdown has been that pointlessly trollish even.

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karek wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.


Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?



:devil:

Probably having moderators who don't intentionally flame bait with their actions might be a good first step. You know that that thread was pretty much one of the few things keeping that drama from blowing up huge right? It gave people a localized place to find all the information and vent and it's a valid complaint/topic about the game's quality as a whole. 

And that's not the first time a lockdown has been that pointlessly trollish even.


Agreed.  The whole "LOCKDOWN" with a evil smiley as a sig just adds to the pompous and juvenile attitude that 99.9% of the time the posts made by mods are to say "Truly am sorry, but tough ****...your thread is closed.....btw  END OF THE LINE *self empowering smiley*!!"

I like posting here for right now b/c this has become bigger than just any one game.....(which might give the mods an even bigger head) and I like giving my opinion for that, but I had to do a double take when I saw my first locked thread with one of these sigs.....I was completely baffled why EA or Bioware would allow or associate with this.

Modifié par Dude_in_the_Room, 26 avril 2012 - 03:25 .


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i blame the BSN for leading me to believe bioware is an awesome developer.

id never have bought ME3 without the BSNs constant "biowares awesome, ME2 is just the mid point in the series, ME3 will make everything come together! trust us!."

i should have learned my lesson with ME2. which ironically ME2 doesnt look so bad anymore after playing ME3.

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Atakuma wrote...

It's so odd that the dragon age devs are actually sharing their ideas and discussing feedback on the forums and yet The ME team avoid this place like the plague. Some actual interaction would let us know that you guys are still human.


Maybe it has to do with our behavior, I wouldn't feel very enthusiastic about hearing what a group of inmature videogamers has to say about something I poured months of my life into making.

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ckriley wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

I've learned from these forums never to trust a user review for a game. Also learned that a ending is more important then the game itself. That and somehow this game is able to give more then half of its players PTSD.

This is exactly how I feel.  I actually made a thread on this yesterday, but not surprisingly it was locked because this community couldn't control themselves and started bickering.  The ME3 forums have made me lose complete respect for the BW community.  After playing ME3, I can honestly say the posters here have zero credibility to me.

It's one thing to dislike a game.  It won't be everyone.  I get that.  But the sheer amount of hate and negativity was just way, way, way over the top.


Ack, wrong button... didn't mean to report your post, if I did. Just trying to reply.

I agree whole-heartedly about not trusting reviews. Professional reviewers seldom play through the whole game, due to time constraints, having access only to demos, or even just disliking the genre and rushing out a generic review of similar playtypes. I remember reading about Oblivion, and how it was spectacular gameplay. I DID enjoy Oblivion, but that has to be one of the buggiest games I've ever played, and I waited until the Game of the Year edition came out. I had multiple issues with lockups, corrupted saves, and broken quests. None of these problems were mentioned in half of the reviews I read; only the glorious gameplay and depth of story were touted. The other half of the reviews blasted Bethesda for the faults, claiming it made the game unbearable (I agreed, sometimes), with only a smidgen of them seeming to be somewhat more balanced in the pros and cons.
I have never really paid much attention to professional reviews: They tend to be written by only brown-nosing industry climbers, angst-ridden haters of the developers, or shills placed by either the created game's company or its antagonists in the business. User reviews, on the other hand, tend to be made by actual gamers. Then you only have to determine if they are a fanboy or critic. Sometimes, you get lucky enough to find a correct appraisal of the game, but how would you know until you play it yourself?
The BioWare forumites have an equal dispersal of pros and cons in their reactions. There is a thread here in the owner's section by a student whose literary professor (DrayFish) has a wonderful opinion about ME3 that has been my favorite since joining the forum. You can search it by looking up "thematically revoting", but don't let that color your impression of the posts. Both sides of the ending controversy are well spoken, defended, and calmly discussed there, and it has opened my eyes to more understanding of possible meanings with the ending and with the plot leading up to it. I highly recommend it to anyone wanting to read a balanced discussion without trolling spam comments or hate. We are passionate, yes, but not necessarily carelessly manic in our thoughts.

Back on topic, Mass Effect 3 was the first game I have bought new in a long time. Usually, I will wait for the GotY editions, to allow time for bug fixes, new DLC, and hopefully, a lower price, but Mass Effect 3 had me drooling for weeks before the release. I got my buddy to pick it up, and he even got the Day 1 DLC I had previously thought was just a pre-order perk. When it got here, I didn't even thank him before I loaded the disk and started listening to the hauntingly lovely intro music. I had rushed through the demo, so the first mission, I was running full speed to get to a new chapter. I would look at a walkthrough after each mission to see what I had missed, and somehow, I heard the rumblings of discontent about the ending. I avoided any more tainting of my gameplay until I finished the end, and then I read up to make sure I had not made a horrible mistake somewhere along the way.
I was disappointed to know that I was not the only one who thought there had been a mistake, or that maybe my Shepard had failed to make the right choice because he was suffering from indoctrination (before we heard of the whole Indoctrination Theory). When I saw the credits roll, I sat here for ten minutes, expecting some resolution to the mass destruction I had just caused in the galaxy, and was rewarded with {REDACTED}. Assuming it was based on history, no one could know what happened to Shepard after being {REDACTED}, or at the latest, when Hackett contacts him saying "nothing's happening". After that, it is all speculation on the part of Buzz Aldrin.
I can appreciate BioWare's ability to create a well-loved game that sparks all kinds of discussion and passionate fervor, but I can not happily abide the silence on the canon explanation after this much time. Controversy led to publicity. Now before that publicity completely sours, they need to take advantage of the moment to reassure current fans and secure new ones who might be avoiding the disappointment of the ending that is already in the public eye. Had there not been so MUCH anger, it would have made sense to hold quiet for a fiscal quarter or so, to stir up a level of interest and more sales before releasing a satisfactory denouement. However, my analysis shows that a significant number of people who WOULD have purchased ME3 are waiting to see how this brouhaha pans out, and if players can get a more satisfactory answer to their denial in the logic of the ending. Will there be another ME that follows the "true" adventures of Shepard on the Citadel and beyond? I hope so, but even Back to the Future 2 was kind enough to flare "To Be Continued!!!" across the screen at the end of the cliffhanger. ME3 just flared destruction across my joy.
I WILL be hesitant to buy another EA/BioWare game new, but my experience on the forums has been mostly nothing short of spectacular. I have seen both sides of the issue, and expanded my consideration. However, my attitude about the reaction of EA to this controversy has fallen far short.
Glad to speak with you all, I just wish we had a happier subject.

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feliciano2040 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

It's so odd that the dragon age devs are actually sharing their ideas and discussing feedback on the forums and yet The ME team avoid this place like the plague. Some actual interaction would let us know that you guys are still human.


Maybe it has to do with our behavior, I wouldn't feel very enthusiastic about hearing what a group of inmature videogamers has to say about something I poured months of my life into making.


Mmmmhhmmm.... because everyone who posts on BSN is completely immature.  This is the internet, immaturity happens.  Just because there are legions on multiple sides of this particular issue waiting to jump like rabid hyenas anytime anyone expresses an opinion doesn't mean you shouldn't at least attempt to do so.  I've seen quite a few rational discussions go on on these forums about the ending, DESPITE the obvious flamebaiting and general obnoxiousness that pervades the internet.

Honestly, I'm not disappointed in the community.  I'm disappointed with MEMBERS of the community who feel the need to attack people on either side for just voicing their opinions in a non-offensive manner.

@ Mr. Priestly:

Mostly some POSITIVE communication would be nice.  References to community based ideas that Bioware thinks are good (even if they don't implement them), how the project on the EC is going in official blog posts would also be nice.  They shouldn't include details, just general progress and perhaps address how the community reaction has affected your view of the ending.

...also, Geth Prime combat dropping onto a marauder.   That would be awesome.:happy:

Modifié par Rawrmoogle, 26 avril 2012 - 04:13 .


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Rawrmoogle wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

It's so odd that the dragon age devs are actually sharing their ideas and discussing feedback on the forums and yet The ME team avoid this place like the plague. Some actual interaction would let us know that you guys are still human.


Maybe it has to do with our behavior, I wouldn't feel very enthusiastic about hearing what a group of inmature videogamers has to say about something I poured months of my life into making.


Mmmmhhmmm.... because everyone who posts on BSN is completely immature.  This is the internet, immaturity happens.  Just because there are legions on multiple sides of this particular issue waiting to jump like rabid hyenas anytime anyone expresses an opinion doesn't mean you shouldn't at least attempt to do so.  I've seen quite a few rational discussions go on on these forums about the ending, DESPITE the obvious flamebaiting and general obnoxiousness that pervades the internet.

Honestly, I'm not disappointed in the community.  I'm disappointed with MEMBERS of the community who feel the need to attack people on either side for just voicing their opinions in a non-offensive manner.

@ Mr. Priestly:

Mostly some POSITIVE communication would be nice.  References to community based ideas that Bioware thinks are good (even if they don't implement them) details on how the project on the EC is going in official blog posts would also be nice.  They shouldn't include details, just general progress and perhaps address how the community reaction has affected your view of the ending.

...also, Geth Prime combat dropping onto a marauder.   That would be awesome.:happy:



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The only thing that has affected my experience negatively regarding the ME franchise, has been the response by "fans" to the endings. I love the series, and it had a great conclusion. The only thing I'm curious about, is what comes next?!

I love BW even more after this ME franchise. I loved DA as well, but never as much as the ME universe. I loved everything about this series, the setting, the "rules", music, third person perspective, voiced main character, the narrative for Shepard, etc.

Again, if I look at the games BW has made, and ignore all other outside sources, I love the games. Looking at all these complaints by people regarding minor things, or claiming to be mislead by marketing really upsets me. But that's not BW's fault at all. It's more the community. Perhaps one day in the future those people won't be around, and BW still will!

However, there will always be someone who hates, dislikes, likes, loves, admires, any work of art.

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Yes, I came to these boards looking for answers... only to find out that the ending was just that bad.

The forum experience has absolutely affected my attitude by eliminating the possibility that the ending was anything other than poorly done.

But it also has some really funny stuff in it (Marauder Shields)Image IPB

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 26 avril 2012 - 04:30 .


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Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.


Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?



:devil:


No more PR talk, when there is a problem like the ME one, talk to us like people. There is more I could say but not really worth it at this point. Def Ears and all.
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BSN forums have unreasonable amounts of hate on every subject. It's absurd and it has depressed me more then the actual game itself.

What's the whole point in hating something? Why drag it negative? Bring more positive thinking for god's sakes.

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Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

karek wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.


Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?



:devil:

Probably having moderators who don't intentionally flame bait with their actions might be a good first step. You know that that thread was pretty much one of the few things keeping that drama from blowing up huge right? It gave people a localized place to find all the information and vent and it's a valid complaint/topic about the game's quality as a whole. 

And that's not the first time a lockdown has been that pointlessly trollish even.


Agreed.  The whole "LOCKDOWN" with a evil smiley as a sig just adds to the pompous and juvenile attitude that 99.9% of the time the posts made by mods are to say "Truly am sorry, but tough ****...your thread is closed.....btw  END OF THE LINE *self empowering smiley*!!"

I like posting here for right now b/c this has become bigger than just any one game.....(which might give the mods an even bigger head) and I like giving my opinion for that, but I had to do a double take when I saw my first locked thread with one of these sigs.....I was completely baffled why EA or Bioware would allow or associate with this.


Okay, I am of two minds about this. Remember that mods are people too. I actually passed a few messages with Chris Priestly about some things that tangentially relate both to his job and my own work, and I realised a couple things. It is exceedingly difficult to convey a sense of professionalism AND to seem friendly and approachable at the same time, ESPECIALLY when your job is to respond to the multitude of complaints/comments about a decision you, yourself, had little authority in. Sometimes, it is simple, as when someone is making personal threats/comments about staff, but other times, it can be difficult to determine if a point raised is valid, well-communicated, and in the proper place. While I personally try to keep my responses as emotion-free as a geth, I sometimes will include a :)  or a  }:^]   (if I feel devilishly inclined) to let the person know that the decision was made by a person evaluating the specific comment, not just a spider crawling the threads and locking them with general rules. Each case is unique: all 382 of them I answered today got a personal response that may have included a "cut-and-paste" posting of specific info, but also was individually evaluated. I personally am in a position that is even more distasteful, as I warned the appropriate people there was going to be a lot of negative feedback, and was basically told, "make it sound pretty". So while some lockdowns may seem arbitrary or hateful, remember that human error goes both ways: Perhaps the sig is not meant to be hateful, but to convey the idea he is doing what he has to, even if it "seems" evil. INFLECTION DOES NOT CARRY WELL IN PRINT. 

Now, on the other hand, I HAVE seen some rude comments by mods that I would in NO WAY allow my employees to make without consequences. I have also seen some comments that are in DIRECT CONTRADICTION of the facts. Most of the time, you can tell that there is a little personal opinion sneaking into their official duties, but that is because they are human. No excuse, of course, and I wouldn't allow it to continue, but it is a reason. It is also a reason for discipline, leading up to termination if the action continues. I would like to think that somewhere, there is an EA official going over the actions of mods and deciding who is and is not doing the job properly.
If you truly think a mod's post is intentionally disrespectful, why not report it? Their comments are logged and timestamped as well as yours, and I assure you, EA has a lot more influence over their actions than the hundreds of forum users you get needlessly angered with a flaming response (not that any of you specifically has made one).

BTW, kudos, Chris, for seeking direct feedback on methods of improvement. Hopefully you won't be inundated with,
"Doodz u needz 2 makez better gamez 4 us 2 pla!!!!!!", or other "helpful" messages. :devil:
(see what I did there?)

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Yes. Between this (especially this) and SWTOR I have no trust in BW at all. I doubt I will purchase anything they produce in the near future, and I will definitely not purchase anything ever that is not player reviewed first.

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Before ME3 I rarely visited or posted on boards. I like the humour that john Epler introduced to close threads and appreciate all Chris has not said when things flare up. The personal attacks as well as an unprepared pr team led to the lack of constructive discourse between fans and devs.

And honesty the cupcake thing was great until it got turned into PR media spin by some retakers who then went after Chris for not accepting them. It started as fun and ended up being politicised to such an extent everyone lost leading to less communication.

So yeah :) more communication, Chris steal Johns jokes and for the love of Zod stop devs/mods tweeting stuff that only makes things worse.

And ME3 ending controversy is nothing, if you want a real fight post on Alien 3 imdb board. The trolling and fighting about it's ending/beginning/middle pretty much everything is so much worse, I recommend it if you feel need to vent.

Modifié par kobayashi-maru, 26 avril 2012 - 05:15 .


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Remus A wrote...

Kylar616 wrote...

nope, still gonna buy bioware games. All the forum rage doesnt bother me, you get people/reactions like that in real life.


I think it's worse online. 

http://www.penny-arc...omic/2004/03/19 

That link is EPIC.:o
Putting that as the lead-in for my blog's interface!

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Not really ending was a total letdown, but hasn't effected my view of the series as a whole, still one of my favorite of this gen, sue me

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Keyrlis wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

karek wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.


Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?



Image IPB

Probably having moderators who don't intentionally flame bait with their actions might be a good first step. You know that that thread was pretty much one of the few things keeping that drama from blowing up huge right? It gave people a localized place to find all the information and vent and it's a valid complaint/topic about the game's quality as a whole.

And that's not the first time a lockdown has been that pointlessly trollish even.


Agreed. The whole "LOCKDOWN" with a evil smiley as a sig just adds to the pompous and juvenile attitude that 99.9% of the time the posts made by mods are to say "Truly am sorry, but tough ****...your thread is closed.....btw END OF THE LINE *self empowering smiley*!!"

I like posting here for right now b/c this has become bigger than just any one game.....(which might give the mods an even bigger head) and I like giving my opinion for that, but I had to do a double take when I saw my first locked thread with one of these sigs.....I was completely baffled why EA or Bioware would allow or associate with this.


Okay, I am of two minds about this. Remember that mods are people too. I actually passed a few messages with Chris Priestly about some things that tangentially relate both to his job and my own work, and I realised a couple things. It is exceedingly difficult to convey a sense of professionalism AND to seem friendly and approachable at the same time, ESPECIALLY when your job is to respond to the multitude of complaints/comments about a decision you, yourself, had little authority in. Sometimes, it is simple, as when someone is making personal threats/comments about staff, but other times, it can be difficult to determine if a point raised is valid, well-communicated, and in the proper place. While I personally try to keep my responses as emotion-free as a geth, I sometimes will include a :) or a }:^] (if I feel devilishly inclined) to let the person know that the decision was made by a person evaluating the specific comment, not just a spider crawling the threads and locking them with general rules. Each case is unique: all 382 of them I answered today got a personal response that may have included a "cut-and-paste" posting of specific info, but also was individually evaluated. I personally am in a position that is even more distasteful, as I warned the appropriate people there was going to be a lot of negative feedback, and was basically told, "make it sound pretty". So while some lockdowns may seem arbitrary or hateful, remember that human error goes both ways: Perhaps the sig is not meant to be hateful, but to convey the idea he is doing what he has to, even if it "seems" evil. INFLECTION DOES NOT CARRY WELL IN PRINT.

Now, on the other hand, I HAVE seen some rude comments by mods that I would in NO WAY allow my employees to make without consequences. I have also seen some comments that are in DIRECT CONTRADICTION of the facts. Most of the time, you can tell that there is a little personal opinion sneaking into their official duties, but that is because they are human. No excuse, of course, and I wouldn't allow it to continue, but it is a reason. It is also a reason for discipline, leading up to termination if the action continues. I would like to think that somewhere, there is an EA official going over the actions of mods and deciding who is and is not doing the job properly.
If you truly think a mod's post is intentionally disrespectful, why not report it? Their comments are logged and timestamped as well as yours, and I assure you, EA has a lot more influence over their actions than the hundreds of forum users you get needlessly angered with a flaming response (not that any of you specifically has made one).

BTW, kudos, Chris, for seeking direct feedback on methods of improvement. Hopefully you won't be inundated with,
"Doodz u needz 2 makez better gamez 4 us 2 pla!!!!!!", or other "helpful" messages. Image IPB
(see what I did there?)



I didn't read all of your post but I read some. Things are going blurry and I woudn't be suprised if I get diagnosed with diabetes when I go to the doctor.....but anyway.

Heres the thing. Being a mod is like being a cashier. Your in a business establishment, but you have to polite. People do it everyday for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. You don't see cashiers going "Sorry your debit card got declined....usadmom? /trollface."

There is no reason why there can't be, in the relative situations, a locked thread with instead of "This isn't ME3 related. LOCKDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"....is ended with "Almost ME3 related. Think about your post and see if you can tweak it. Gottal lock though, sorry."

Of course I'm talking about posts that are indirectly related to ME3 but get locked for not being directly related to ME3. Like the "Geth vs Borg vs Skynet" thread.  It wasn't hurting anyone, was more ME3 related than a lot of other topics, and was a positive note on this mad board. 

There was no reason to close it.

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You want to know what has effected my attitude towards Bioware?

This man

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Yeah, this more or less. So many claims of certain things that would be in the final product that were proven false. So many lies and so much false advertising that it would take an entirely new thread to list them all. That and the somewhat condescending way that these and other issues have been handled by Bioware has left a very negative impact on me and many others as well. I have not entirely given up on Bioware yet, but from the recent experience with ME3 and to a lesser extent DA2 I have been left with these outlooks regarding ANYTHING Bioware related:

1.) Don't believe a single thing they say until you have seen it for yourself.
2.) Don't bother preordering anything, even for the extra swag. Image IPB 
3.) Don't rely on reviews from websites. Rent them or use reliable user reviewers.
4.) And the people on the forums definitely need to learn some measure of civility. Image IPB

As for what Bioware can do to help these issues, I would recommend taking a page out of the Kojima handbook and say next to NOTHING about your game right up until it is released. I'm talking features, story, and claims about what it will or will not be doing. Of course, it can be a challenge to hype your product whilst not giving too many details of the game but it can be done. Example, when the ME3 storyline had been disclosed and discussed the focus should have been on the Reapers, and the Reapers alone. Any and all talk about Cerberus and their involvement in the story should have been a closely guarded secret right up until release. That's just one way thing could have been helped. Oh, that and restructure your PR department. It WILL help in the long run.

As for everything else, common sense should be able to take care of the rest as long as you try to learn from all the mistakes that have been made. As for the forum itself, yes there are a great many people who could use some lessons in maturity, but just because the messenger talk like an idiot doesn't necessarily mean the message itself does not warrent some attention. Aside from that, I'll leave the rest to my fellow forumites. Later!

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Do you guys really think that Priestly is reading these responses? He has two jobs.

1) He is supposed to periodically tell us that BioWare wants feedback.
2) He is supposed to make sure that people who want to leave feedback know who is boss.

BioWare already has your money. They don't care what you think of their game.

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Black_water wrote...

You want to know what has effected my attitude towards Bioware?

This man

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I apologize for being off-topic, but does anyone else think he looks like Schmitt from New Girl in this pic? Or am I the only one that knows what I'm talking about?

Give him the JAR?

Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion.

WaffleCrab wrote...

Actually ME2 and ME3. But mainly ME3
Being a PC gamer i am having difficulties swallowing down scenes like
this; Your team mate is down at an activation objective which happens to
be in between 2 covers. Gues how the game playes out when you got
cover, cover roll, revive and activate in the same key, I have had that a
couple of times, just one of many things(Among glitches and bugs, some
of them breaking the MP or SP for me) that enfuriate me from time to
time, well untill i take that shot of Old St. Andrews :D

oh and
for the record, the scene i mentioned there, i ended up cover rolling
for 10 seconds and my mate bled out, i was the last one standing, with 3
pyros and numerous troopers staring me down xD


Been there, homey. You can almost hear the pyros laughing before they barbeque you, right?
Don't
feel bad just because you're on the PC. We on the XBOX 360 have the
same problem with the "A" button. Nothing like running through a wall of
Banshees only to roll out of cover so I can get a better view of my
squad bleeding out [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]before she picks me up and splats me. Wonder how the interface determines what action to follow when there are multiple possibilities.
Explaining things like this (how does the user interface make situational judgements) would be helpful to those of us trying to squeeze every last bit of efficient military strategy out of MP. Not that we need to see the source code, of course, just a working theory of unusual in-game prioritization decisions. I've seen an older thread about this that was locked with little or no discussion or explanation (Don't think it was Chris P, but maybe). Not sure why, either, so perhaps always adding the specific reason a thread was closed? Usually there is an explanation, so those without one are puzzling when the cause is not obvious.

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As several others have pointed out, the only thing that's changed for me is my view of this community.

When Mos Eisley is saying "Damn, BSN sure is a wretched hive of scum and villainy" maybe it's time to step back and re-evaluate how you're going about things.

Modifié par Father_Jerusalem, 26 avril 2012 - 05:55 .


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While I would have liked a ending that had peace between synthics and organics while still allowing shepard to stay alive. The ending was not that big a deal for me and not enough that I would ignore how much I enjoyed the entire game. Overall, I still look forward to bioware's games and will preorder them.

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Persephone

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Towards the games? No.

Towards Bioware? No.

All that changed is my attitude & opinion on the Bioware "fanbase".

After what happened with DAII (Yes, a flawed game, but still, it had some amazing moments and I prefer it to DAO), I hoped that ME3's release would bring back the community I used to love.

I was wrong.

All this has taught me is that user reviews are biased hyperbole and I've never trusted professional reviews to begin with.

I wasn't 100% happy with the endings. But the behavior of the fanbase who screeches loudly at ANYTHING that MAY be perceived as an insult or snark, yet lashes out venom left and right....it disgusts me. Utterly.

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i sold all my ME games and deleted all the DLC so nope

WE ARE INFINITE, WE ARE UNWAVERING!!!!!

HAIL LUSCIUS!!!!!

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Kub666

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Dude_in_the_Room wrote...
So many gamers either are too young or too naive to understand how things really work.  This "They treat us bad?  Then we just won't buy their games and that'll teach'em" attitude isn't happening.


I'll say it again b/c it's important to me:

People bought ME2 > lots complained about it being dumbed down > lots of ppl bought DA2 > lots complained that it just plain sucked > even more ppl bought ME3 > "everybody" complained about EAware > then tons of ppl said they would buy a DLC for the ending.

 

The average gamer is in their 30s. I guess the most vocal guys are usually teens, but as I said, nobody really cares about some crazy folk on BSN. What matters is how you treat your customers. I couldn't care less if somebody issues empty death threats to Casey or whomever. Not my problem. My problem is I bought falsely advertised and partially broken product, and then when I complain about it to the producer I'm being ignored or worse. And this is happening because Bioware assumes everyone who complains is a spoiled kid.

Dude_in_the_Room wrote... 
There are 2 things to think about given whats going on:

1) The ppl hating these games are the minority and don't know it.

2) The gaming community has little to know backbone and overreacts and isn't worth the respect it wants.
Look at the L4D2 boycott......now look at how popular it is/was
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People do not hate ME3, generally. They hate idiotic endings, yes, but 95% of the game is fine. They hate being misled and treated like idiots.

L4D2 is a bad example, as it was a good game. But yeah, boycotts do not matter. What matters is I will be less likely to believe anything Bioware says about their future games, and will not buy their products until fan reviews come in. So, they lost my pre-order money so far. It may be that now they cater to CoD crowd, not to their core RPG fans, so in that case I'm also probably out, regardless of condescending attitude of mods and devs on BSN.